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Rhetoric and Tweets have on all of these rapidly escalating mass shootings we are living, hearing, and seeing about ? If any ?
 
It definitely has an impact. I implore anyone who thinks it doesn't to go on 8chan (/pol/) and see what the people posting there have to say about Trump's rhetoric.
 
Just a simple example

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I'd say a whole hell of a lot. That is a straight up fear-mongering message.
 
It's very hard to tell. I think all of the dehumanization contributes, but most of the influence comes from extremist websites online. The danger of using terms and expressing ideas that white supremacists also believe is that it might help lead people to those extremist groups.
 
Logician Man said:
Rhetoric and Tweets have on all of these rapidly escalating mass shootings we are living, hearing, and seeing about ? If any ?
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As we NEVER had mass shootings before Trump came into office he is probably largely responsible. While we are at it lets blame him for the killings in Baltimore and Chicago.

We world's ills are many,alas we have only one president Trump to blame.
 
It's hard to say, but it is said that if one is not part of the solution then they are part of the problem. The dilemma for many is whether to blame Trump or scary black rifles more as being the "root cause" of losers seeking MSM and internet infamy.
 
washunut said:
As we NEVER had mass shootings before Trump came into office he is probably largely responsible. While we are at it lets blame him for the killings in Baltimore and Chicago.

We world's ills are many,alas we have only one president Trump to blame.
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Seems to have a nerve. OP certainly didn't make those claims.
 
washunut said:
As we NEVER had mass shootings before Trump came into office he is probably largely responsible. While we are at it lets blame him for the killings in Baltimore and Chicago.

We world's ills are many,alas we have only one president Trump to blame.
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Good point. Here's a bit of a rebuttal. Years ago, anti-porn feminists would say that "porn was the theory, rape the practice." I think we could say that to a certain extent, Trump's demeaning of Mexican migrants, his comparing immigrants to poisonous snakes, etc., was the theory, and El Paso the practice. Yes we have had mass shootings in the past, but were they in any way preceded by inflammatory comments by a leading public figures, comments that referred to the particular victims chosen?

Open questions: Would the harassment of republicans have happened without politicians urging their confrontation? Would this incident have happened if not for Trump's rhetoric of the past few years?
 
washunut said:
No just the inference. Don't claim to be that naive or unaware.
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That's YOUR inference. OP makes no claims, and has a disclaimer at the end. Don't try to blow your smoke up other's backsides. Own YOUR words.
 
Minimal.

What's changed from 1960 to now? Not the guns, not really. Not the culture, not really. If anything, we've become more tolerant.

One big thing that changed? Technology. Everything is faster. The pressure is greater, both at home and at work. More technology means more responsibility, for most of us. And now, to add to that mixture, is a generation of kids who are mostly grown, addicted to screens. Constant bombardment, constant stimulation. All seeking and finding a constant flow of data that conforms to and confirms their pre existing biases.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It's hard to say, but it is said that if one is not part of the solution then they are part of the problem. The dilemma for many is whether to blame Trump or scary black rifles more as being the "root cause" of losers seeking MSM and internet infamy.
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Indeed, there are losers who commit genocide for fame and attention.

This is not one of those times. The shooter has directly told us that he is a white nationalist, who believes the exact same things that Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson, Milo Yiannopoulos, Ann Coulter, and countless other right-wing political figures have been saying publicly for the past four or five years about immigrants and Hispanics.

The shooter might have been a racist to begin with, but the fear and paranoia that he embraced that called for a reaction, was obviously boosted by the climate he was in, where he was told Hispanics were threatening white culture and America. The fact that old Trump himself went so far as to provoke chants of "send them back!" it his rallys, might have been the trigger. It's not a far fetched left-wing idea to draw such a connection, given the facts and recent events.

The connection is undeniable. It's not an opinion, it's not perspective. It's the reality of the matter. This is what racism does.
 
Nickyjo said:
Good point. Here's a bit of a rebuttal. Years ago, anti-porn feminists would say that "porn was the theory, rape the practice." I think we could say that to a certain extent, Trump's demeaning of Mexican migrants, his comparing immigrants to poisonous snakes, etc., was the theory, and El Paso the practice. Yes we have had mass shootings in the past, but were they in any way preceded by inflammatory comments by a leading public figures, comments that referred to the particular victims chosen?

Open questions: Would the harassment of republicans have happened without politicians urging their confrontation? Would this incident have happened if not for Trump's rhetoric of the past few years?
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I think you make excellent points,well done. I do agree that Trump's rhetoric has some impact. Just hard to ascertain what pushes these nutjobs over the edge.
 
KevinKohler said:
Minimal.

What's changed from 1960 to now? Not the guns, not really. Not the culture, not really. If anything, we've become more tolerant.

One big thing that changed? Technology. Everything is faster. The pressure is greater, both at home and at work. More technology means more responsibility, for most of us. And now, to add to that mixture, is a generation of kids who are mostly grown, addicted to screens. Constant bombardment, constant stimulation. All seeking and finding a constant flow of data that conforms to and confirms their pre existing biases.
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I believe there is something to this theory but, I also think the stochastic terror theory plays a significant part.
 
Winston said:
I believe there is something to this theory but, I also think the stochastic terror theory plays a significant part.
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Had to Google that term.


I disagree. If that were the case, these would follow a more cohesive pattern. And they don't. The only real pattern is the age, sex, and nationality of the criminal.

Young white men, predominately.
 
MovingPictures said:
Indeed, there are losers who commit genocide for fame and attention.

This is not one of those times. The shooter has directly told us that he is a white nationalist, who believes the exact same things that Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson, Milo Yiannopoulos, Ann Coulter, and countless other right-wing political figures have been saying publicly for the past four or five years about immigrants and Hispanics.

The shooter might have been a racist to begin with, but the fear and paranoia that he embraced that called for a reaction, was obviously boosted by the climate he was in, where he was told Hispanics were threatening white culture and America. The fact that old Trump himself went so far as to provoke chants of "send them back!" it his rallys, might have been the trigger. It's not a far fetched left-wing idea to draw such a connection, given the facts and recent events.

The connection is undeniable. It's not an opinion, it's not perspective. It's the reality of the matter. This is what racism does.
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Who, exactly, is "the shooter"? Certainly there must be millions of racists, and many, many more millions of those who listen to (and somewhat believe) the stuff spewed by your noted political talking heads, yet a teeny, tiny subset of them ever commit any act of violence. That must mean that much, much more is involved with the transformation from being a mere Trump (or other public figure) political supporter to becoming an active mass shooter.

While I agree that violent antifa loons are likely supporters of those on the far left I do not blame politicians on the far left for their actions. That is also my view of violent folks (incel nerds?) on the far right - I believe that they are acting on their own (warped) beliefs and are not empowered or emboldened by the words of some far right politician.
 
Logician Man said:
Rhetoric and Tweets have on all of these rapidly escalating mass shootings we are living, hearing, and seeing about ? If any ?
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None.

The impact comes from the media and the Trump haters and their over-the-top hyperbole in response to everything the President says.

Here are examples of some of that over-the-top rhetoric:

Beto O'Rourke: Trump Is Encouraging More Racism

Tim Ryan: Language in Manifesto Similar to Trump Rhetoric

Bernie Sanders: Trump's Rhetoric Riles Up 'Unstable People'

George Conway Connects Trump's Rhetoric to El Paso Shooter

Sherrod Brown: Trump Should Stop Racist Divisive Rhetoric

Every one of them is trying to outdo the others in laying the blame on Trump for the actions of a progressive shooter in Texas and a registered Democrat shooter in Ohio.
 
MovingPictures said:
Indeed, there are losers who commit genocide for fame and attention.

This is not one of those times. The shooter has directly told us that he is a white nationalist, who believes the exact same things that Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson, Milo Yiannopoulos, Ann Coulter, and countless other right-wing political figures have been saying publicly for the past four or five years about immigrants and Hispanics.

The shooter might have been a racist to begin with, but the fear and paranoia that he embraced that called for a reaction, was obviously boosted by the climate he was in, where he was told Hispanics were threatening white culture and America. The fact that old Trump himself went so far as to provoke chants of "send them back!" it his rallys, might have been the trigger. It's not a far fetched left-wing idea to draw such a connection, given the facts and recent events.

The connection is undeniable. It's not an opinion, it's not perspective. It's the reality of the matter. This is what racism does.
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Bang on.
 
Logician Man said:
Rhetoric and Tweets have on all of these rapidly escalating mass shootings we are living, hearing, and seeing about ? If any ?
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On that note, FYI:

Trump’s staff is deleting his tweets that used words like “ invaders” and “infested.” They are trying to hide Trump’s words and actions.

You can find all of his deleted tweets here:

LiA
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Mycroft said:
None.

The impact comes from the media and the Trump haters and their over-the-top hyperbole in response to everything the President says.

Here are examples of some of that over-the-top rhetoric:

Beto O'Rourke: Trump Is Encouraging More Racism

Tim Ryan: Language in Manifesto Similar to Trump Rhetoric

Bernie Sanders: Trump's Rhetoric Riles Up 'Unstable People'

George Conway Connects Trump's Rhetoric to El Paso Shooter

Sherrod Brown: Trump Should Stop Racist Divisive Rhetoric

Every one of them is trying to outdo the others in laying the blame on Trump for the actions of a progressive shooter in Texas and a registered Democrat shooter in Ohio.
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What about that "Bowling Green Massacre"?
 
Propaganda works. That's undeniable. Acting as though the words of those in power are powerless is a typical right wing diversion.
 
Mycroft said:
None.

The impact comes from the media and the Trump haters and their over-the-top hyperbole in response to everything the President says.

Here are examples of some of that over-the-top rhetoric:

Beto O'Rourke: Trump Is Encouraging More Racism

Tim Ryan: Language in Manifesto Similar to Trump Rhetoric

Bernie Sanders: Trump's Rhetoric Riles Up 'Unstable People'

George Conway Connects Trump's Rhetoric to El Paso Shooter

Sherrod Brown: Trump Should Stop Racist Divisive Rhetoric

Every one of them is trying to outdo the others in laying the blame on Trump for the actions of a progressive shooter in Texas and a registered Democrat shooter in Ohio.
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Now post a link to his last 5 to 8 rallies, and let's hear what he says in totality. We know for a fact he is on audio/video advocating physical violence and paying for attorney fees. You stating that type of thing doesn't send a questionablly negative message ?
 
Logician Man said:
Now post a link to his last 5 to 8 rallies, and let's hear what he says in totality. We know for a fact he is on audio/video advocating physical violence and paying for attorney fees. You stating that type of thing doesn't send a message ?
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They will never admit he advocates for violence.
 
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