Two sides of the same coin - Your thoughts? (1 Viewer)

Brummbar said:

Hello again, Peter King! Yes, this is a discussion about the United States and the original topic was whether Zionism and Bolshevik Communism are two sides of the same coin playing Right vs Left. Hopefully we can both redirect ourselves
to the original topic at hand.

Zionism (International Capitalism) and Marxism (Communism) are two sides of the same coin.

There is no "whataboutism". I stated facts about the United States racism, bigotry and discrimination against other races and it get brushed over. As if nobody wants to accept their nations dark history.
When I read the German side of history I see none of that - only hatred for the German Bankers (The Oppenheim Family is an example) the German Jews, Otto Kahn, Felix Warburg - Lehman Brothers, Kuhn Loeb (United States). etc
The Jews were doing absolutely fine in Germany, have never been better off in any other country than Germany.

Like I said in my previous post, the United States is not all sunshine and rainbows.
The entire history is filled with Racism, which can still be seen today.

There is no lies, everything I'm telling is the truth to the best of my knowledge and will happily stand corrected if you do provide tangible credibility.

Interesting Himmler quote, can you tell me where you found this peice of information? His statement of Jews leading the Humans is quite accurate so I'm sure what you're saying is credible.






Hello again, Tigerace117! Yes, that's correct. Germans hated: Jews, Communist and Homosexuals. They hated pornography, and liberal-democratic thought.
Yes, Bavaria is not English. The English used the term Nazi to discriminate against the Germans. The United States and England hated National Socialism, so did the Soviet Union.
There were posters and signs in the United States that said "Do not buy from Nazi-made goods!" Discrimination.

Yes, what I say will come off as incredibly ignorant and that's okay. I'm completely fine with whatever term you have to use, Ignorant or other wise.

And no, Jews were absolutely not "doing fine" under the Nazis.

No, The Free Arabian Legion is not a joke, and it quite funny you brushed it off as one. The whole point wasn't about what they accomplished, the point I made was to show you other races served under the National Socialist.

No, I've mentioned nothing about the Holocaust, only you.

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Yes, it absolutely was a joke. It was a handful of malcontents who the Germans didn't trust anywhere near the frontline-due to the racism of the Nazi Party-- and which accomplished nothing.

It is not "discrimination" to refuse to buy goods from a nation that you or your allies are at war with. That is just idiotic.

The term "Nazi" is simply a descriptor for the party. It is not in any way shape or form "discrimination".

Yes, the Nazis murdered millions of Jews, communists, homosexuals, and many other groups. Because they hated them.

Funny how you are desperately trying to ignore the fact that the Nazis literally referred to Afro-Germans as "bastards" and no sterilized them.

Pardon my absence. I've ready everything you all have said. I believe it is time for the knock out punch.

Here's the deal to the both of you, Peter King and Tigerace117, if you can get passed this post, you will win the debate and we'll shake our digital hands and continue on with our lives.

It time for the world to know what happened between the gap of 1918 - 1933 before Hitler comes chancellor.

Before I begin:



The Zionist and their religious zealots, are the absolute monarchs of this country. The Zionist are the complete monarchs of the United States.
Show it to your families, show it to all people on these forums, show it around the world - owned by the biggest monolithic conspiracy the world has ever seen! :shock:

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Now, to the periods of 1918 to 1933. This is going to be a rather long text, but you'll learn precisely what happened. You're going to learn what the Jews did to Germany.

I have highlighted all key information, so you can do your own research and come to a conclusion.

After World War 1, at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference where they were segregating German European territory, there were 100-150 Jews there (I'm unsure of the exact number), all lead by man named Bernard Baruch, a Jew.

The writer for that conference was Lucien Wolf, a Jew.

When the Zionist presented the Balfour Declaration (as a promise to the Zionist from England) to the German ambassadors at that conference they had realize why the United States enter that war against them: International Jewry wanted Palestine.

They were then slapped reparations beyond the likes man couldn't encompass. This is what started the hyperinflation in Germany from 1921 and onward, not Adolf Hitler like many imagined it to be.

The Germans seen that as a big betrayal, an act of treason - The Jews in Germany have never been better off than they had been since the Germans gave them refuge, and were treated nicely.

And the German Bankers, the Banker Jews, sold Germany down the river for absolutely no reason at all, only to get Palestine and claim it as a so-called Jewish common ground.

Starting from 1920 to 1924, when Hermann Muller, one of the signers of the Treaty of Versailles and a Social Democrat (Marxist) became Chancellor, the German economy was going through an economic turmoil. By the periods of the 1924 - 1930 when Otto Wels, a Social Democrat became chancellor, Germany was experiencing a Bolshevik communist takeover.

Rosa Luxemburg, a Jewish Marxist and primary spreader of Feminism, and her lackey, Karl Liebknecht, a Marxist took over Germany for who knows how long, Weeks? a Month? This was about in the 1928 - 1930 mark when Hermann Muller becomes Chancellor again.

In fact, when Wilhelm II, the Emperor of Germany stopped the war, he booked towards Netherlands because he thought Marxist were going to take over Germany like they did Russia, and was going meet the same fate as the Czar of Russia did because the Marxist didn't like the Czar.

During 1930 - 1933, Adolf Hitler, an infantry man who served in World War 1 on the front-lines gained significant support from German citizens, especially his fellow soldiers, by attacking the Treaty of Versailles and promoting anti-Marxism, anti-communism, pan-German society, anti-homosexuality and anti-immigration.

He declared that Germany was stabbed in the back by Marxist revolutionaries and Parliamentary politicians and that they were two sides of the same coin turning people against each other.

Once everything got out of hand, the Jews lost connection with Germany, so they migrated back to England, France, United States, and Russia.

Around 1936, when they begun to realize the gravity of the situation at hand, the Jews formed the World Jewish Congress, you had members of the Rothschilds, Jews, and the President, Ronald Lauder, a Jew. Warburg and Jacob Heinrich Schiff could've been there. The Jews had to figure out how to reclaim their structure in society since majority of the Jews came from Germany. And the Germans kicked the Marxist and bankers out for their treason. :lol:

Once Adolf Hitler became chancellor, everything turned around for the Germans and for the better.

On a final note: Jews declared war first in 1933, but you won't see this in your history books ever:



Now tell me, what happened between 1918 - 1933. Good luck to the both of you. :2wave:

Brummbar said:

Hello once again world! Thanks everyone who contributed to my last thread on Racism. I learned a lot from you all, so thank you.

My next topic is going to be rather controversial. I expect a lot of heat likely to come from both sides of the political spectrum, but that's what's so great about these forums; we can talk about these matters.

The Question, ladies and germs: Do you think Zionism and Bolshevik Marxism as two sides of the same coin? As if one represents the Right, and the other represents the Left?

Both sides are Jewish by nature, but please no anti-Semitism. This can be a sensitive topic that has a lot of potential for backlash - please be civil and always present tanglable credibility.

Can't wait to read what you all have to say on this topic. You were all incredible in the last thread! Have a wonderful day/night!

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The answer would really require in depth knowledge of the two subjects, of which I don't feel qualified to answer.

But, here is a treatise by Churchill entitled, "Zionism versus Bolshevism", which you might want to read.

Zionism versus Bolshevism - Wikisource, the free online library

The other poster who asserts that Marxists are atheists which is counter to Judaism, misses the point that there are more than one type of jew, as outlined in the treatise, above.

Consider that Woody Allen is jewish, but a non practicing atheist.

IF you are looking at the subject through a religious lens, the comparison doesn't seem to work, but if you are looking at it from a statism lens, then perhaps.

However, Israel is a democracy, and the outcome of the Bolshevik revolution, I believe, was not a democracy, so methinks they are not "two sides..." etc.

I will defer, however, to the more knowledgeable on the subject, including the prose by Churchill.

OscarLevant said:

The answer would really require in depth knowledge of the two subjects, of which I don't feel qualified to answer.

But, here is a treatise by Churchill entitled, "Zionism versus Bolshevism", which you might want to read.

Zionism versus Bolshevism - Wikisource, the free online library

The other poster who asserts that Marxists are atheists which is counter to Judaism, misses the point that there are more than one type of jew, as outlined in the treatise, above.

Consider that Woody Allen is jewish, but a non practicing atheist.

IF you are looking at the subject through a religious lens, the comparison doesn't seem to work, but if you are looking at it from a statism lens, then perhaps.

However, Israel is a democracy, and the outcome of the Bolshevik revolution, I believe, was not a democracy, so methinks they are not "two sides..." etc.

I will defer, however, to the more knowledgeable on the subject, including the prose by Churchill.

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Hello, OscarLevant, Good post. I've been dabbling in this sort of thing for about 9 years as I obtain my Ph.D. I don't know everything, it's all far too complex and complicated to go through every detail, but I tried my best to follow the bread crumbs and came to a conclusion that perhaps they are the same working together. There are definitely different types of Jews, not all are bad. They've done a lot for society, all things considered.

When questioned on their political, social and economic status in American society, we think "Well, that's Nazism and racism."

Even I, before I started my scholarly education, fed into the notion that National Socialism, Adolf Hitler, Jews, Racism, White Supremacy, etc. was all facts and truths, never questioned it (like most don't). We live our lives without even questing their position in todays society. It's almost like the answer is staring us directly in the face.

You may not have a lot of knowledge on the subject if you haven't done tons of research, I understand. Tell me if you see what I see:

Federal Reserve Bank
Kuhn Loeb
Lehman Brothers
Goldman Sachs
Google
Facebook
Bloomberg
Universal Studios
Warner Brothers
Viacom
Disney

All companies created or ran by them.

Doesn't sound like they're doing bad at all in society. I would say they're the richest people on the globe.

Brummbar said:

Pardon my absence. I've ready everything you all have said. I believe it is time for the knock out punch.



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Now, to the periods of 1918 to 1933. This is going to be a rather long text, but you'll learn precisely what happened. You're going to learn what the Jews did to Germany.

I have highlighted all key information, so you can do your own research and come to a conclusion.

[/B] (as a promise to the Zionist from England) to the German ambassadors at that conference they had realize why the United States enter that war against them: International Jewry wanted Palestine.

They were then slapped reparations beyond the likes man couldn't encompass. This is what started the hyperinflation in Germany from 1921 and onward, not Adolf Hitler like many imagined it to be.

The Germans seen that as a big betrayal, an act of treason - The Jews in Germany have never been better off than they had been since the Germans gave them refuge, and were treated nicely.

And the German Bankers, the Banker Jews, sold Germany down the river for absolutely no reason at all, only to get Palestine and claim it as a so-called Jewish common ground.

Starting from 1920 to 1924, when Hermann Muller, one of the signers of the Treaty of Versailles and a Social Democrat (Marxist) became Chancellor, the German economy was going through an economic turmoil. By the periods of the 1924 - 1930 when Otto Wels, a Social Democrat became chancellor, Germany was experiencing a Bolshevik communist takeover.

Rosa Luxemburg, a Jewish Marxist and primary spreader of Feminism, and her lackey, Karl Liebknecht, a Marxist took over Germany for who knows how long, Weeks? a Month? This was about in the 1928 - 1930 mark when Hermann Muller becomes Chancellor again.

In fact, when Wilhelm II, the Emperor of Germany stopped the war, he booked towards Netherlands because he thought Marxist were going to take over Germany like they did Russia, and was going meet the same fate as the Czar of Russia did because the Marxist didn't like the Czar.

During 1930 - 1933, Adolf Hitler, an infantry man who served in World War 1 on the front-lines gained significant support from German citizens, especially his fellow soldiers, by attacking the Treaty of Versailles and promoting anti-Marxism, anti-communism, pan-German society, anti-homosexuality and anti-immigration.

He declared that Germany was stabbed in the back by Marxist revolutionaries and Parliamentary politicians and that they were two sides of the same coin turning people against each other.

Once everything got out of hand, the Jews lost connection with Germany, so they migrated back to England, France, United States, and Russia.

Around 1936, when they begun to realize the gravity of the situation at hand, the Jews formed the World Jewish Congress, you had members of the Rothschilds, Jews, and the President, Ronald Lauder, a Jew. Warburg and Jacob Heinrich Schiff could've been there. The Jews had to figure out how to reclaim their structure in society since majority of the Jews came from Germany. And the Germans kicked the Marxist and bankers out for their treason. :lol:

Once Adolf Hitler became chancellor, everything turned around for the Germans and for the better.

On a final note: Jews declared war first in 1933, but you won't see this in your history books ever:

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Now tell me, what happened between 1918 - 1933. Good luck to the both of you. :2wave:

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Uh....first and foremost, things certainly didn't "turn for the better" for Germans once Hitler came to power---they wound up losing millions of people-- and murdering millions upon millions more--- in a failed series of wars of conquest which ended with the country cut in two for decades.

Secondly, Jews in in one area of Germany or another had been treated brutally for centuries; there were major massacres in the Rhineland, for example, as far back as the 1000-1100s. In addition, it was Britain and especially France--- not some secret cabal of Jews like you seem to think--- who were pushing for large scale reparations to punish Germany for playing a key role in starting a massively destructive war.

Thirdly, the "stabbed in the back" fairy tale is a myth-- a myth invented by a German officer corps desperate to avoid being blamed for defeat.

Fourthly, claiming that the "Jews declared war" is idiotic; there is exactly zero evidence to support such a silly claim.

Brummbar said:

Hello, OscarLevant, Good post. I've been dabbling in this sort of thing for about 9 years as I obtain my Ph.D. I don't know everything, it's all far too complex and complicated to go through every detail, but I tried my best to follow the bread crumbs and came to a conclusion that perhaps they are the same working together. There are definitely different types of Jews, not all are bad. They've done a lot for society, all things considered.

When questioned on their political, social and economic status in American society, we think "Well, that's Nazism and racism."

Even I, before I started my scholarly education, fed into the notion that National Socialism, Adolf Hitler, Jews, Racism, White Supremacy, etc. was all facts and truths, never questioned it (like most don't). We live our lives without even questing their position in todays society. It's almost like the answer is staring us directly in the face.

You may not have a lot of knowledge on the subject if you haven't done tons of research, I understand. Tell me if you see what I see:

Federal Reserve Bank
Kuhn Loeb
Lehman Brothers
Goldman Sachs
Google
Facebook
Bloomberg
Universal Studios
Warner Brothers
Viacom
Disney

All companies created or ran by them.

Doesn't sound like they're doing bad at all in society. I would say they're the richest people on the globe.

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As pointed out by Churchill, Jews are a remarkable race, and they are ubiquitous in the Arts ( much of the American Song Book was composed by Jews, Irving Berlin, the Gershwins, etc ) Science ( Einstein ) and business and law are dominated by them. I doubt there is any "conspiracy", as, in my humble opinion, it's a case of how the proverbial cookie crumbles. Talent has a way of floating to the top, it's really that simple. Less talented peoples who are envious, well, we can understand how the jews became targets throughout history. And, I'm not implying Persia and Arabia, by virtue of their antipathy towards Israel, are "less talented", noting that that those races made great contribution to mathematics. "Algebra" is arabic, "Al - Gebra". I don't know what it means, however.