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    Re: A larger issue for trump in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Luther View Post
    The incredible conversion of Hispanics to the GOP was felt in 2018 midterms(LOL)
    We are not talking about the mid-terms.
    or did you just ignore the article on purpose?

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    Re: A larger issue for trump in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    We are not talking about the mid-terms.
    or did you just ignore the article on purpose?
    Why not?

    It was only 7 months ago and is the closest thing we got?


    Take New Mexico. More Hispanics than any other state right? And for years , I kept hearing how they hate illegal immigration?(Rolling eyes)

    The DEMOCRAT Senator won Big time

    He got a D rating from NumbersUSA(HELLO)
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    Re: A larger issue for trump in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Obama got so many votes it shocked everybody. Nobody expected such huge 'turnouts' which had never before been recorded. What few wanted to hear, however, was the fact that those 'turnouts' were accompanied by clear evidences of massive voter fraud, which were never adequately investigated for some stupid evil reason.
    . What few wanted to hear, however, was the fact that those 'turnouts' were accompanied by clear evidences of massive voter fraud,
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    Re: A larger issue for trump in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Obama got so many votes it shocked everybody. Nobody expected such huge 'turnouts' which had never before been recorded. What few wanted to hear, however, was the fact that those 'turnouts' were accompanied by clear evidences of massive voter fraud, which were never adequately investigated for some stupid evil reason.
    ~ Obama was so popular in some districts that he got more votes than there were registered voters ! ´
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    Re: A larger issue for trump in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by LosAngelesAngel View Post
    ~ Obama was so popular in some districts that he got more votes than there were registered voters ! ´
    The same sort of "overwhelming miraculous last minute support" put LBJ in the Senate years ago. There were more votes for him in the last precinct which reported than there were registered voters in that county. Unfortunately for LBJ's opponent and the American people, the precinct chairman's housekeeper "accidentally" burned the bagged up ballots early the next morning by "mistake" so no recount was possible.

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    Re: A larger issue for trump in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Logician Man View Post
    You misspoke........again.....and you ignore the fact Trump repeatedly lied about where his father was born. Why is that ? A little too inconvenient of a 'fact' for you ?
    I don't misspeak. I say exactly what I mean to say.
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    Re: A larger issue for trump in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by LosAngelesAngel View Post
    ~ Obama was so popular in some districts that he got more votes than there were registered voters ! ´
    Source?
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    Re: A larger issue for trump in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    OK, we all know the country's basic makeup on whether they like or dislike trump.

    But there's a larger issue that looms over voters - they want a president they feel will move the country in the right direction.

    And I think trump has very strong opposition to that from his opponents, and very shallow support from his allies. More and more, it's not a 'vote for trump' things as much as a 'vote against the Democrat' thing, which is weaker.

    trump made a lot of big promises - he's an outsider, a good businessman who will make the country rich, against corruption who will drain the swamp, that he'll 'make the country great'.

    There's almost nothing to show for any of that. America isn't 'great' compared to before. It's continued a few positive trends, and taking some wrong turns. I defy anyone to show the country has change in a way that went to 'great' from before.

    The Obama recovery has continued, a bit slower. Inequality has continued to increase. Trillions were redistributed to the rich in trump's main accomplishment. Some more Federalist Society plutocrats were put on the courts. trump has broken foreign policy after foreign policy, embracing the worst murderers and tyrants in the world, while breaking good treaties from the Iran deal to the Russian arms deal (which ends August 2).

    He's reversed countless good regulations to protect the environment and the American people, and put the most corrupt and incompetent people in office when he could be bothered to even do that, setting records on unfilled and 'acting' officials, and officials convicted of crimes and leaving in scandal.

    His 'drain the swamp' has been shows to be 'fill the ocean'. Most American are not benefiting from much of anything. Not even those harmful coal jobs, but not much in manufacturing or elsewhere, though unemployment has continued to drop. His tariffs are nothing but a harmful joke showing his ignorant bumbling.

    In short, a vote for trump to all but his cult, who thinks he farts rainbows, is more and more clearly a vote for his narcissism, for incompetence, and for corruption. Not exactly a vote for the direction for the country voters want.

    Right now, American think the country is on the right track for 37% and the wrong track for 58%.

    trump just has nothing to run on other than his cult. Nothing. A 'good' economy in the aggregate - still giving all the growth to the rich - with a big crash looming. And he deserves none of the credit for the good part, doing nothing but staying out of the way, while shooting our deficits up to a new normal of $1 trillion to give more to the rich.

    So, I think, like with the 'mood' around Carter, who was a far better president, that there's only downside for trump this election, his only chance being if enough voters hate the Democrat more than him, and that's weak.

    He's lost what won in 2020 - the 'protest vote' against the 'establishment' represented by Hillary and Jeb, the thinking he would 'make the country great', the naive optimism. Now the curtain is pulled, the wizard exposed to all but the cult. His historic lows of always under 50%, never seen before, have still never risen to 50% after 2.5 years.

    The main wildcard left is war, and I question whether even that can save him.
    The biggest issue next year, and one which concerns many voters, Trumps lack of integrity. No booming economy can paper over his lack of honesty.
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    Re: A larger issue for trump in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by LosAngelesAngel View Post
    ~ Obama was so popular in some districts that he got more votes than there were registered voters ! ´
    You do have a cite to back that up? Perhaps your cite is in the same place as Obamas Kenyan birth cerificate.
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    Re: A larger issue for trump in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay59 View Post
    I seriously doubt that.


    This is proof of why the first line is wrong. Trump has very strong opposition only from bedrock Democrats and liberal extremists. Those of milder persuasion are getting used to him and tired of the constant attacks on him.


    True. Trump made promises and delivered. The swamp attacked him and he defeated it. All good.


    There is a long list of things to show for it. Any reasonable person will acknowledge good on the economy, especially near zero unemployment and energy independence. Denuclearization is back in foreign policy. ISIS is defeated and all mostly eliminated. Iran has been forced from cover. Trade is normalized and the trade ratio is considerably improved. By any reasonable standard it has been a fruitful half term and the citizenry feels better about it, feels great, in fact.


    He promised to remove regulations and he did. Some were so out of date, the underlying law no longer existed.


    The swamp attacked him with an inappropriate and unprecedented special investigation. After over two years, Trump has defeated that sally and is now counterattacking. Stand by for news in about six weeks.


    In short, a vote for Trump is a vote to continue winning. The choice has been shown as AOC and the Squad. Yikes. Undecided voters don't like socialism and they do like winners. Either way a vote for Trump.


    That is changing. There is only so much manipulation that can be done to polls.


    The Democrats have nothing but the anti-Trump cult and socialist extremism.


    We haven't had a vote in 2020. The protest vote for Gary Johnson or Evan McMullin has been fully won over. Enthusiasm is much higher and Democrat enthusiasm is problematic


    Trump has been reliably anti-war for decades. He will use the military, but as security or as a last resort. Nothing stands between him and reelection. Armed conflict would make it a certainty but he will avoid it with great tenacity.

    Interesting collection of wishful thinking and party spin. Try looking around a bit more. Otherwise reality will bite you hard.
    But something does stand in Trumps way, its his lack of honesty. Its an inconvient truth his supporters ignore. Many Indies will not be ignoring that fact next year in Nov.
    And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p**sy. You can do anything." –Donald Trump

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