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AG Barr Reinstates Federal Death Penalty after 16-Year Hiatus

Craig234 said:
They're trying to build that - now and here. The bad side of human nature - remember Rome and the coliseum's killings? Hell, we used to have public executions in the US the public would bring their kids to. We evolved - and now many seem to de-evolve (as DEVO recognized).
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Well, I challenge their construct and in 2020 we will decide our fate.

In the meantime, they can do as I described. Move back in time to fascist Italy or Germany. There they can have their rigid conservative social politics and their pro corporate graft riddled economic policy.
 
TurtleDude said:
I don't support capital ppunishment because a mistake cannot be remedied and as a very wise former US Attorney once told me

Some people deserve to fry, but I don't support the government having the power to fry people.

that being said, capital punishment does completely deter the defendant from re-offending, which is NOT the case with life without parole.
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Good post. I'm generally in favor of the death penalty when there is absolutely, positively, unquestioningly no doubt. I also share you concern that it's been proven that people were executed for crimes they did not commit. Juries are not infallible.

One current death row inmate comes to my mind as I'm thinking about this. Scott Peterson. Remember him - California dude whose pregnant wife disappeared on Christmas Eve and she and the fetus turned up a few months later? He was convicted of her murder and sentenced to death. Now I *think* he did it, but all of the "evidence" against him was circumstantial at best. He should not be put to death. I would not stake my life on his guilt.

Then there are people like Susan Smith, who admitted to sending her 2 little boys into John D. Long Lake and saying that a black man stole her car with the kids in it. That bitch deserved to die.
 
Craig234 said:
They're trying to build that - now and here. The bad side of human nature - remember Rome and the coliseum's killings? Hell, we used to have public executions in the US the public would bring their kids to. We evolved - and now many seem to de-evolve (as DEVO recognized).
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"Are we not men...?"
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Why does guilt have to be 100% certain in the abstract?

The convicted are legally guilt as a matter of just process, why is that inadequate?
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If someone is in jail they are no longer a threat to society. I dont see the need to kill them too. Whats the point?

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There's really nothing to talk about on this topic with the right who support it (a small number have more principles).

The bottom line is, they are going to support this, no matter what.

If innocents are executed: doesn't matter.

If the cost is triple what life in prison costs: doesn't matter.

No matter what issue there is that argues against executing people - they simply do not care, it will not affect their opinion, they simply want to kill and that is all they care about.

So when there is no issue that would change their mind, what is there to talk about with them?
 
snakestretcher said:
Doesn't deter anyone else though, and that's the point.
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Well we have this on both sides. Conservatives often support the death penalty-and at best they can say it deters the condemned. Liberals claim gun control laws deter criminals which is a lie as well. There are other motivations behind the stated reasons of support in both cases.
 
trouble13 said:
If someone is in jail they are no longer a threat to society. I dont see the need to kill them too. Whats the point?

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Someone doing life who then say kills a guard or prison worker-now that is about the only case where I could see supporting the DP by the state.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Look, most of us will agree there are a lot of disgusting human beings who simply deserve to die, but giving this power to the state is dangerous, especially considering the unbelievable number of people who have proven their innocence on death row or had it proven after being executed. There is no reason for this and it usually costs us more than life terms. No conviction carries with it 100.00% certainty of guilt.
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I agree that our evidentiary standards are too low, but this is just as good an argument against incarceration in general as it is against the death penalty.

RabidAlpaca said:
The death penalty is unnecessary and most modern countries have gotten rid of it yet most still manage to be safer than the US.
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European countries are safer than America because they're full of Europeans. Whereas America has other populations to deal with.

Most Latin American countries have abolished the death penalty, they're still crime-ridden ****holes. Japan still has the death penalty, and it's safer than Europe.

TurtleDude said:
I was hoping McVeigh would spent 60 years at the SuperMax USP in solitary. He got off easy
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People say that when speaking in the abstract. But most actual death row inmates will file appeal after appeal after appeal trying to stay alive as long as they can.

bongsaway said:
Aborting a fetus is murder so says the right and then they willingly support killing inmates like that isn't state sanctioned murder.
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Children are innocent. Why does the left support killing babies, who've done nothing wrong, while opposing the execution of violent criminals?

Obscurity said:
We should reform prison and absolutely not allow private companies to profiteer off of the punishments of those who do criminal actions.
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There are no private death rows.

RabidAlpaca said:
You can be released from prison upon proof of the mistake, you can't be unkilled.
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You can't be given back the years you lost.

tres borrachos said:
One current death row inmate comes to my mind as I'm thinking about this. Scott Peterson. Remember him - California dude whose pregnant wife disappeared on Christmas Eve and she and the fetus turned up a few months later? He was convicted of her murder and sentenced to death. Now I *think* he did it, but all of the "evidence" against him was circumstantial at best. He should not be put to death. I would not stake my life on his guilt.
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I don't know anything about that case specifically, but if the evidence is "circumstantial at best", then he shouldn't be in prison at all.
 
AmNat said:
I agree that our evidentiary standards are too low, but this is just as good an argument against incarceration in general as it is against the death penalty.



European countries are safer than America because they're full of Europeans. Whereas America has other populations to deal with.

Most Latin American countries have abolished the death penalty, they're still crime-ridden ****holes. Japan still has the death penalty, and it's safer than Europe.



People say that when speaking in the abstract. But most actual death row inmates will file appeal after appeal after appeal trying to stay alive as long as they can.



Children are innocent. Why does the left support killing babies, who've done nothing wrong, while opposing the execution of violent criminals?



There are no private death rows.



You can't be given back the years you lost.



I don't know anything about that case specifically, but if the evidence is "circumstantial at best", then he shouldn't be in prison at all.
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A foetus isn't a baby until birth. Then it's a baby. Nobody is advocating killing babies. I wonder just how many CHINOs (CHristians In Name Only), the major constituents of the pro-life brigade, have adopted unwanted orphans.
 
snakestretcher said:
A foetus isn't a baby until birth. Then it's a baby. Nobody is advocating killing babies. I wonder just how many CHINOs (CHristians In Name Only), the major constituents of the pro-life brigade, have adopted unwanted orphans.
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Probably many more than the number of Open border lefties who have taken in illegal immigrants.
 
TurtleDude said:
Someone doing life who then say kills a guard or prison worker-now that is about the only case where I could see supporting the DP by the state.
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That argument amounts to the anti penality side arguing svput the pff chance they kill the wrong person. It happens, mistake happen. No system is perfect.

JMO, once the person is removed from society thats suffcient. Of course if they request suicide i see no reason to hinder them.

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snakestretcher said:
A foetus isn't a baby until birth. Then it's a baby. Nobody is advocating killing babies. I wonder just how many CHINOs (CHristians In Name Only), the major constituents of the pro-life brigade, have adopted unwanted orphans.
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Lots of pro-lifers adopt. Arranging adoptions is a large part of what pro-life organizations do.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-Christian screed.
 
AmNat said:
Lots of pro-lifers adopt. Arranging adoptions is a large part of what pro-life organizations do.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your anti-Christian screed.
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I won't. And don't feel like you're privileged; I despise ALL organised faith-based stupidity indiscriminately. I like to be fair.
 
beefheart said:
So, for you its just for emotional sake.

I remember when conservatives said that liberals legislated on emotions....

Such hypocrisy.
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You are legislating on emotion. You don't like the DP and it hurts your heart so it can't ever be used.
 
Craig234 said:
You're wrong, actually, because your 'logic' is overly simplistic. Capital punishment is simply a 'luxury' for people who want to kill, with imprisonment as an easy alternative. Not imprisoning people at all has no such alternative, and therefore justifies a different standard for supporting it, when weighing "no jail or "jail", instead of weighing "jail" or "killing". Apples and oranges.
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Calling it a "luxury" is your words, not mine. I call it an appropriate and proportionate punishment befitting the ultimate crime.
 
eman623 said:
You are legislating on emotion. You don't like the DP and it hurts your heart so it can't ever be used.
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No, I am legislating on logic, and caution, let's not make irrevocable mistakes and kill someone who may be innocent. It has nothing to do with whether I like the death penalty or not, its just not effective as a deterrent, and you can't undo it if you make a mistake.

You, on the other hand just want vengeance and someone's death, purely an emotional response.
 
eman623 said:
Calling it a "luxury" is your words, not mine. I call it an appropriate and proportionate punishment befitting the ultimate crime.
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If you choose to completely miss the point, we're done.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'd rather die than spend life in prison, which is one of the many reasons I support life in prison over the death penalty.



You can be released from prison upon proof of the mistake, you can't be unkilled.
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Great, that’s you. So if you commit murder subject to the death penalty, plead guilty, don’t request appeals and demand immediate execution. Because for you the thought of living and breathing is so much worse than death.
You are so dishonest.
 
trouble13 said:
If someone is in jail they are no longer a threat to society. I dont see the need to kill them too. Whats the point?

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To penalize offenders for crimes which they cannot possibly repay.

Personally I do not like the death penalty, I don’t mind if it’s abolished. But This high minded leftist moralism is part of their ongoing effort to create a society where no one is accountable for what they have freely chosen to do.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'd rather die than spend life in prison, which is one of the many reasons I support life in prison over the death penalty.



You can be released from prison upon proof of the mistake, you can't be unkilled.
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So you’re a sadist who wishes to impose torture on convicted criminals?

That’s interesting.

You can’t be un-killed if you die in prison either.
 
They just need to make them public spectacles when they do fry one of these scum. Make it a pay per view event or something, try and recoup some of our costs.. ;)

Tim-
 
Craig234 said:
If you choose to completely miss the point, we're done.
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Since you've resorted to putting words in my mouth and then refuting that instead of what I actually said, then I agree. We're done.
 
eman623 said:
Since you've resorted to putting words in my mouth and then refuting that instead of what I actually said, then I agree. We're done.
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No, you're the one who ignored what was said.
 
Still done here.
 
beefheart said:
No, I am legislating on logic, and caution, let's not make irrevocable mistakes and kill someone who may be innocent. It has nothing to do with whether I like the death penalty or not, its just not effective as a deterrent, and you can't undo it if you make a mistake.

You, on the other hand just want vengeance and someone's death, purely an emotional response.
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The only emotion I'm feeling now is boredom. I'm done here too.
 
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