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Well, if there is anything we learned from Mueller today, it’s

bubbabgone said:
Paying attention? In your first reply to me you said ...



I thought you meant it. Now you say you really didn't mean it because you've since said you did have a side after all.
See what I mean. You appeared confused and contradictory.
Now that you've acknowledged your contradiction, we can move on to discuss your characterization of your "side" if you like.
We can do that but I should warn you up front you won't want to hear what THAT looks like.
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^^ Hubris, obfuscation and dishonesty continue.
 
tres borrachos said:
So in other words, you failed.

Please try not to fail so much. Or quote someone else while doing it.
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Failed? You still think the I in FBI is for intelligence?

This would make the fbi the premier domestic spying agency.

An activity so prohibited clapper (cia) has to lie about it straight to the face of congress.

 
Moderate Right said:
Just as Bill Clinton was clearly guilty of obstruction of justice as well as perjury (Trump isn't accused of perjury - just to be clear). Didn't stop the Democratic Senate of failing to remove Clinton from office. The hypocrisy is astounding.
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In Bill Clintons defense isn't lying and reprimandable behavior positive traits most party blind followers admire and respect.
 
If the Republicans knew ahead of time that Mueller was that feeble then the Democratics knew too.
That means the Democratics intended to count on feeding poor Bob lines that he would simply agree to.
It worked in one instance before having to be corrected.
Schiff tried the right game plan but it was too late.
 
azgreg said:
We also learned that Mueller thinks Trump is guilty of obstruction and that congress is broken as ****.
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SIAP. Maybe you were too busy dancing a jig to notice Mueller retracted that statement that he thinks Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice.
 
bubbabgone said:
Campaign funds? It wasn't.
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We’re talking about why an investigation might be undertaken not the results of same. And potentially committing a felony with respect to campaign finance seems a pretty good reason to me to investigate a candidate. Should be to you to or do you like the idea that money you have a candidate might have gone to keeping his mistress quiet?
 
Gaius46 said:
We’re talking about why an investigation might be undertaken not the results of same. And potentially committing a felony with respect to campaign finance seems a pretty good reason to me to investigate a candidate. Should be to you to or do you like the idea that money you have a candidate might have gone to keeping his mistress quiet?
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If campaign funds weren't used then there was no campaign violation.
And there's no evidence otherwise.
Besides, a payoff to a mistress isn't a campaign finance violation by Trump anyway.
It was just an add-on charge to Cohen to try to get something closer to Trump.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
In Bill Clintons defense isn't lying and reprimandable behavior positive traits most party blind followers admire and respect.
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How do you know when a politician is lying? I think most everyone knows the answer to that question. It is campaigning 101.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
The old “I’m rubber and you’re glue” strategy. Brilliant. :roll:
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It wasn't, but if it was it would have been a lot better than
"I don't have a side."
and ...
"This is my side."
That classic would make you both rubber and glue.
 
bubbabgone said:
It wasn't, but if it was it would have been a lot better than
"I don't have a side."
and ...
"This is my side."
That classic would make you both rubber and glue.
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Your response is too late. I was rubber and you were glue in the last go around. My comment has already permanently stuck to your now dried glue. :mrgreen:

You’ll have to wait until the next debate for your next shot at being clever. :cheers:
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Your response is too late. I was rubber and you were glue in the last go around. My comment has already permanently stuck to your now dried glue. :mrgreen:

You’ll have to wait until the next debate for your next shot at being clever. :cheers:
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Moderate Right said:
Just as Bill Clinton was clearly guilty of obstruction of justice as well as perjury (Trump isn't accused of perjury - just to be clear). Didn't stop the Democratic Senate of failing to remove Clinton from office. The hypocrisy is astounding.
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Ken Starr was criticized for spending $70 million on an investigation that substantiated only perjury and obstruction of justice. The end cost of the Mueller investigation was $25 million although much of that cost will be recouped due to the relinquishing of Manafort's properties to the US government. What illegal crime was Bill Clinton found guilty of? He was found guilty of getting a blowjob in the Oval Office from a very consenting intern, then lying about it. What illegal crimes was the Trump administration investigated for? Men in the administration conspiring with Russian assets, interference by Russia in a US election with the knowledge and cooperation of the Trump administration. At least three people indicted for lying under oath and Trump's own lawyer found guilty of campaign money fraud. "apples to oranges"
 
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HumblePi said:
Ken Starr was criticized for spending $70 million on an investigation that substantiated only perjury and obstruction of justice. The end cost of the Mueller investigation was $25 million although much of that cost will be recouped due to the relinquishing of Manafort's properties to the US government. What illegal crime was Bill Clinton found guilty of? He was found guilty of getting a blowjob in the Oval Office from a very consenting intern, then lying about it. What illegal crimes was the Trump administration investigated for? Men in the administration conspiring with Russian assets, interference by Russia in a US election with the knowledge and cooperation of the Trump administration. At least three people indicted for lying under oath and Trump's own lawyer found guilty of campaign money fraud. "apples to oranges"
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What was Trump found guilty of? Nothing. Even after the Mueller investigation and testimony all it is, is Trump might have done this, Trump could have done this, Trump might be guilty of this. I mean there is irrefutable proof that Bill Clinton lied under oath and obstructed justice. And, NONE of Trump's "administration" was found guilty of conspiring with Russia to influence the election.
 
Moderate Right said:
What was Trump found guilty of? Nothing. Even after the Mueller investigation and testimony all it is, is Trump might have done this, Trump could have done this, Trump might be guilty of this. I mean there is irrefutable proof that Bill Clinton lied under oath and obstructed justice. And, NONE of Trump's "administration" was found guilty of conspiring with Russia to influence the election.
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How about obstruction of justice, lying to the FBI and suborning perjury? Try those on for size.
 
HumblePi said:
Oh no worries, Congress is on it.
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Yep, only about 125 votes shy of the mark (on the last attempt). That, of course, is just to get the impeachment charging ball over the net and into the Senate - where 67 votes are required for conviction.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, only about 125 votes shy of the mark (on the last attempt). That, of course, is just to get the impeachment charging ball over the net and into the Senate - where 67 votes are required for conviction.
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Yes but the investigations have yet to begun. Once they do, more votes will swing in the 'favor' column quickly
 
HumblePi said:
Yes but the investigations have yet to begun. Once they do, more votes will swing in the 'favor' column quickly
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LOL. Yeah. It's right around the corner. Be patient. Trump will be serving a third term before you guys finally have the goods on him for having one of his parking tickets fixed in his 20's.
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. Yeah. It's right around the corner. Be patient. Trump will be serving a third term before you guys finally have the goods on him for having one of his parking tickets fixed in his 20's.
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I guess you haven't been following the 'real' news, but the House Judiciary Committee filed a petition to the court on Friday that will most certainly be in their favor, since it's in the Constitution that only Congress has the power of oversight of the Executive branch of government. Subsequently, REAL investigations will finally commence and witnesses will be compelled under penalty of being locked up if they don't, to sit and testify before Congress. Documents that have been intentionally withheld from Congress effectively stonewalling their investigations will now be forced under the law to be turned over to Congress.

Oh, the fun is just beginning. You have no idea how much.
 
Moderate Right said:
How do you know when a politician is lying? I think most everyone knows the answer to that question. It is campaigning 101.
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Anytime they are telling us they work for us and not the rich and powerful who fund both parties. Unless they are an outcast like Trump. Of course there is a difference between the professional politically correct liar like the Clintons vs Trump who speaks before he thinks and ends up giving the media something to twist into something he clearly didn't intend to say. I personally like the Trump type person because I can easily see where he stands vs the professional liars.
 
HumblePi said:
Yes but the investigations have yet to begun. Once they do, more votes will swing in the 'favor' column quickly
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That does not speak well of the "investigative" abilities of demorats. After all, there have been calls to impeach Trump since shortly after he took office. Waiting until, essentially, the last year of Trump's (first?) term in office to impeach him is looney. It basically amounts to an admission that he is likely to win re-election.

The biggest problem with impeachment is that it is a 100% political process entirely dependent upon convincing a Senate super-majority (of at least 67 votes) to "convict" the POTUS and remove him/her from office. Pelosi knows that the result of failure to "convict" Trump of his political "crimes" (via a formal impeachment vote) will simply allow Trump to rightly declare himself to have been "completely exonerated" yet again - immediately prior to the 2020 elections.
 
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