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Patriotic Avatars

Hari Seldon said:
When was the last time you voted for a Democrat?
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Just last election. My mayor is a Dem and I think he's doing a good job and doesn't seem to be infected with TDS. I also voted for some others on lower state levels.
 
beancounter said:
The more someone pushes the whole patriotic imagery, the more I doubt their sincerity. Just like people who wear the biggest crosses, are trying intentionally very hard to project an image so they can blind side or lull others into a sense of complacency/ unjustified trust.

BTW, you don't need to wrap yourself in the flag to be patriotic.
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I never said you did. I just made a general observation that more on the right have patriotic avatars than do those on the left.
 
Moderate Right said:
Even though there are many bat**** crazy right Trump supporters, it is the left leaning MSM who puts a magnifying glass on their reporting to make it appear both Trump and his supporters are far worse than they actually are. They have an agenda to take the right down using very biased and unfair reporting.
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You're right the biased Fox News and other right-wing media and rags try to hide anything negative about Trump or his supporters who are bat$hit crazy. Fair and balanced....that show is about as fair and balanced as Trump is....not at all. If you think they're not trying to take the democrats down, you've drunk the koolaid and sold your soul. Warning, video contains some foul racist language by Trump worshipers.

 
Moderate Right said:
I never voted for a pedophile that I know of. Do you have any proof that I did? Hell, even if you call Trump a pedophile, I didn't vote for him either.
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But you'd vote for a pedophile before you'd vote for a democrat.
 
Moderate Right said:
Doesn't have anything to do with Trumpsters. We have had a flag from the get go. We have a national anthem and we have the Pledge of Allegiance. These have been around for hundreds of years. Patriotism was very big when this country first started. As the years go by patriotism has waned and over the last few decades, liberals have been doing their very best to destroy the meaning of patriotism altogether.
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No, we didn’t have a flag “from the get go”. The design of our national flag wasn’t approved until June 14, 1777, nearly a year after the United States declared its independence from Britain. Before then, the colonists didn’t yet unite under a single flag. Instead, they fought mainly under unit or regimental flags.

Our national anthem was first written in 1814, but was not formally recognized and designated by Congress as our national anthem until 1931.

The pledge of allegiance was originally written during the Civil War, and was revised in 1892. It wasn’t formally adopted by Congress until 1942. Like the national anthem, it wasn’t “hundreds of years” ago.

Next time, before espousing your supposed patriotism and denouncing others supposed lack thereof, take a little time to educate yourself to avoid looking like an ignorant hypocritic.
 
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Moderate Right said:
I was just reading posts today and seemed to notice something I never noticed before. Maybe it's true and maybe it isn't. But, for those who lean right or are clearly right, I see a lot of patriotic avatars and I don't remember any patriotic avatars off the top of my head from anyone who leans left or are clearly left. I wasn't talking about screen names but avatars. Does anyone who leans left or are clearly left have a patriotic avatar? Anyone? To me this is some form of subliminal acknowledgement from the left that they would rather complain about our country rather than be proud of it. Anyone care to try to prove me wrong?
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Perhaps it is only that the left doesn't feel a need to constantly confirm their patriotism via symbolism. Just a guess.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Good to hear.
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I am what I say I am. I hated the far right when Obama was president. I hate the far left now that Trump is president. Most of the left have gone totally bonkers since Trump was elected. I am against socialism. I vote a mix of parties every election. I admit I lean to the right and admit I am conservative. I'm not a far right Tea Party/Freedom Caucus nut but I do believe in getting the debt under control without going overboard in doing it so I'm not happy about the debt going up. I am not religious so my opinions on matters such as abortion are not based on any religious beliefs. But, murder is still murder. Women shouldn't be allowed to choose murder and disguise the decision as women's rights. However, I do believe in settled law so I am not in favor of overturning RvW or gay marriage rights or whatever. The past is the past. We need to move forward and we need to mover forward without any far left or far right policies.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
No, we didn’t have a flag “from the get go”. The design of our national flag wasn’t approved until June 14, 1777, nearly a year after the United States declared its independence from Britain. Before then, the colonists didn’t yet unite under a single flag. Instead, they fought mainly under unit or regimental flags.

Our national anthem was first written in 1814, but was not formally recognized and designated by Congress as our national anthem until 1931.

The pledge of allegiance was originally written during the Civil War, and was revised in 1892. It wasn’t formally adopted by Congress until 1942. Like the national anthem, it wasn’t “hundreds of years” ago.

Next time, before espousing your supposed patriotism and denouncing others supposed lack thereof, take a little time to educate yourself to avoid looking like a hypocritical asshole.
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There’s that pesky history,again. Your last sentence is not going to happen. Not the OP’s first boomerang thread! :thumbs:
 
Old 'N Chill said:
You're right the biased Fox News and other right-wing media and rags try to hide anything negative about Trump or his supporters who are bat$hit crazy. Fair and balanced....that show is about as fair and balanced as Trump is....not at all. If you think they're not trying to take the democrats down, you've drunk the koolaid and sold your soul. Warning, video contains some foul racist language by Trump worshipers.

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What? Are you trying to say that Fox is not fair and balanced? I don't argue with you there. But, that doesn't change the fact that the MSM leans left and promote an anti-Trump agenda through selective reporting. By the way, I don't watch Fox.
 
Moderate Right said:
I never voted for a pedophile that I know of. Do you have any proof that I did? Hell, even if you call Trump a pedophile, I didn't vote for him either.
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Yet, you made the statement you would.
 
Moderate Right said:
Over the last several months you have abandoned all discussion and just about every post of yours is about total nonsense.
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What discussion? The one you started that was proven to be another one of your wrong claims?

I know, I should post cerebral things like "I'd rather have a pedophile in office than a Democrat".
 
RaleBulgarian said:
No, we didn’t have a flag “from the get go”. The design of our national flag wasn’t approved until June 14, 1777, nearly a year after the United States declared its independence from Britain. Before then, the colonists didn’t yet unite under a single flag. Instead, they fought mainly under unit or regimental flags.

Our national anthem was first written in 1814, but was not formally recognized and designated by Congress as our national anthem until 1931.

The pledge of allegiance was originally written during the Civil War, and was revised in 1892. It wasn’t formally adopted by Congress until 1942. Like the national anthem, it wasn’t “hundreds of years” ago.

Next time, before espousing your supposed patriotism and denouncing others supposed lack thereof, take a little time to educate yourself to avoid looking like an ignorant hypocritical asshole.
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All countries had flags from centuries ago. Your "facts" don't change the gist of my post, in that the country was much more patriotic in the past than it is now and that the flag, anthem, and pledge have all been around for a very long time.
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't know why you guys can't have a serious discussion without being absurd.
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Here's absurd for you: Trump hugging a flag, in a gesture meant to prove his patriotism, all the while doing his level best to ruin our country, weaken our working class, kill our reputation around the world, piss off our allies, make our enemies happy.

It's a symbol used far too often by the right in an effort to "prove" how much more patriotic they are than the left. Use of the symbol, and the creation of this comment thread, prove nothing more than the right's need to be viewed as the good guys. Hint: you aren't, not anymore, not since you forced Trump upon the world.
 
Idiometer said:
Perhaps it is only that the left doesn't feel a need to constantly confirm their patriotism via symbolism. Just a guess.
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The definition of patriotism to them is having the right to thumb Uncle Sam in the face and having the right to stick their middle finger up at the flag.
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, when you write as a lefty then there seems no purpose to claiming "undisclosed". That's one of the biggest things I don't understand. To me, it appears that lefties are ashamed and embarrassed to own up to who they are. But, you're certainly not fooling anyone to claim undisclosed.
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It isn't shame, it's rejection of the hive mind the right seems to favor; party line above all, don't ask questions, just nod your head and go along, and keep repeating the rhetoric even if you know it's a lie.

As a liberal who has never registered with any party, my political views are too nuanced to simply tow a party line. I lean left because that's logical to me on most issues, but not all issues. My arguments for or against an issue are not based on what the Democratic party says about it, or even on what other liberals are saying.

In other words, liberals in general are simply more independent than conservatives.
 
Moderate Right said:
All countries had flags from centuries ago. Your "facts" don't change the gist of my post, in that the country was much more patriotic in the past than it is now and that the flag, anthem, and pledge have all been around for a very long time.
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THe thing is, there is a lot of truth to the misattributed quote

When Fascism Comes To America, It Will Be Wrapped in the Flag and waving a bible
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Moderate Right said:
Even though there are many bat**** crazy right Trump supporters, it is the left leaning MSM who puts a magnifying glass on their reporting to make it appear both Trump and his supporters are far worse than they actually are. They have an agenda to take the right down using very biased and unfair reporting.
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IMO, the media tones that down. Ever been to a Trump rally? No exaggeration required.
 
Moderate Right said:
All countries had flags from centuries ago. Your "facts" don't change the gist of my post, in that the country was much more patriotic in the past than it is now and that the flag, anthem, and pledge have all been around for a very long time.
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If you can’t even get simple facts straight, what makes your opinion worth anything?
 
The right can't claim to be patriotic. This nation was founded on dissent and now they are against -all dissent.-

And waiving the flag of a nation that was destroyed and utterly removed from existence, the confederacy, is not patriotic.
 
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