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    Why Trump is likely to win the election in 2020

    I have to begin to explain how this will happen by posting a link to an article in the Washington Post.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.d609770e0bf1

    Trump is spending the weekend at his Bedminster Golf Club in New Jersey.

    [snip]Upon arriving in New Jersey, though, he still has one item on the schedule: A “roundtable with supporters” that will be held at the golf club. This isn’t just a sit-down with some random Trump fans. It is, instead, a perk for high-dollar donors to the president’s reelection campaign. According to an invitation obtained by Insider NJ, those participating in this informal conversation have spent $100,000 to do so. That level of donation also earns donors a photo with the president.

    That’s money that goes to the campaign — but some of it also ends up going back to Bedminster in the form of event space and catering. Meaning that some of it also ends up back in President Trump’s pocket.

    According to data compiled from Federal Election Commission reports by ProPublica, three campaign committees linked to Trump’s reelection — the Republican National Committee, Trump’s campaign committee and Trump Victory, a joint committee between the Trump campaign and the Republican Party — have spent over $700,000 at Trump properties this cycle. Over the past year, the total is nearly $1.4 million.

    The most spent in one day was at Mar-a-Lago in late March, when the RNC and Trump Victory spent over $400,000.[/snip]

    Okay so you get the idea.

    The following are the top donors to Trump's campaign:

    1. Robert Mercer, Renaissance Technologies - $13.5 million
    2. Sheldon Adelson and Miriam Adelson, Las Vegas Sands Corporation (LVS) - $10 million
    3. Linda McMahon, World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. (WWE) - $6 million
    4. Bernard Marcus, Retired - $7 million
    5. Geoffrey Palmer, G.H. Palmer Associates - $2 million
    6. Ronald M Cameron, Mountaire Corp. - $2 million
    7. Peter Thiel, Palantir Technologies - $1.25 million
    8. Walter Buckley Jr, Actua Corporation (ACTA) - $1 million
    9. Cherna Moskowitz, Hawaiian Gardens Casino - $1 million
    10. Peter Zieve, Electroimpact - $1 million

    It's fairly obvious why wealthy people support Trump and want to keep Trump in the White House. He's good for their bank accounts. Focusing on the 2027 tax tables show that the tax cuts, 83% of it going to the top 1 percent, the richest people in this country.

    The millionaires are happier than they've ever been and every day people are happy that their 401K is doing so well. So it will be a binary choice November 3, 2020, "do I vote for my 401K or do I vote for the country?" As you can see from the title of the thread, I already have a pretty good idea of what that choice will be.

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    Re: Why Trump is likely to win the election in 2020

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    I have to begin to explain how this will happen by posting a link to an article in the Washington Post.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.d609770e0bf1

    Trump is spending the weekend at his Bedminster Golf Club in New Jersey.

    [snip]Upon arriving in New Jersey, though, he still has one item on the schedule: A “roundtable with supporters” that will be held at the golf club. This isn’t just a sit-down with some random Trump fans. It is, instead, a perk for high-dollar donors to the president’s reelection campaign. According to an invitation obtained by Insider NJ, those participating in this informal conversation have spent $100,000 to do so. That level of donation also earns donors a photo with the president.

    That’s money that goes to the campaign — but some of it also ends up going back to Bedminster in the form of event space and catering. Meaning that some of it also ends up back in President Trump’s pocket.

    According to data compiled from Federal Election Commission reports by ProPublica, three campaign committees linked to Trump’s reelection — the Republican National Committee, Trump’s campaign committee and Trump Victory, a joint committee between the Trump campaign and the Republican Party — have spent over $700,000 at Trump properties this cycle. Over the past year, the total is nearly $1.4 million.

    The most spent in one day was at Mar-a-Lago in late March, when the RNC and Trump Victory spent over $400,000.[/snip]

    Okay so you get the idea.

    The following are the top donors to Trump's campaign:

    1. Robert Mercer, Renaissance Technologies - $13.5 million
    2. Sheldon Adelson and Miriam Adelson, Las Vegas Sands Corporation (LVS) - $10 million
    3. Linda McMahon, World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. (WWE) - $6 million
    4. Bernard Marcus, Retired - $7 million
    5. Geoffrey Palmer, G.H. Palmer Associates - $2 million
    6. Ronald M Cameron, Mountaire Corp. - $2 million
    7. Peter Thiel, Palantir Technologies - $1.25 million
    8. Walter Buckley Jr, Actua Corporation (ACTA) - $1 million
    9. Cherna Moskowitz, Hawaiian Gardens Casino - $1 million
    10. Peter Zieve, Electroimpact - $1 million

    It's fairly obvious why wealthy people support Trump and want to keep Trump in the White House. He's good for their bank accounts. Focusing on the 2027 tax tables show that the tax cuts, 83% of it going to the top 1 percent, the richest people in this country.

    The millionaires are happier than they've ever been and every day people are happy that their 401K is doing so well. So it will be a binary choice November 3, 2020, "do I vote for my 401K or do I vote for the country?" As you can see from the title of the thread, I already have a pretty good idea of what that choice will be.
    Okay, so what? You don't think that the ultimate Democratic candidate will be doing similar schmoozing with their side's wealthy and famous seeking contributions and endorsements?

    Meanwhile, I also find myself happy with the tax cuts. This because I more than doubled my "return," as I not only got more back this time than ever before, they also took an equivalent amount less out of my paychecks in withholdings during the tax year.

    How come people always complain about taxes having less impact on the rich than on the common taxpayer? Making comparisons like "10% of $100.00 has more impact on the common person than 10% of $1 million," yet ignoring how much more it also means to the common taxpayer when they get back more than what they did prior to these tax cuts?

    Meanwhile, it won't be wealthy contributor's money that decides whether or not Trump will win, no it will be the same factors that decide any incumbent's chances. Is the nation doing better economically than before at the time of the election, and are more people than not content.
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    Re: Why Trump is likely to win the election in 2020

    I've always found it amusing when people believe that it's only the right side of the aisle that has all of the rich donors.
    Not R or D 2020

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    Re: Why Trump is likely to win the election in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Okay, so what? You don't think that the ultimate Democratic candidate will be doing similar schmoozing with their side's wealthy and famous seeking contributions and endorsements?

    Meanwhile, I also find myself happy with the tax cuts. This because I more than doubled my "return," as I not only got more back this time than ever before, they also took an equivalent amount less out of my paychecks in withholdings during the tax year.

    How come people always complain about taxes having less impact on the rich than on the common taxpayer? Making comparisons like "10% of $100.00 has more impact on the common person than 10% of $1 million," yet ignoring how much more it also means to the common taxpayer when they get back more than what they did prior to these tax cuts?
    I think it's because he only cares when it's Trump doing it, not matter what it is. Be the action legal, or illegal.
    Yet is remarkably silent when it's his own people who are doing what they please.

    My step sister was happy with her finances, as well was I for that matter. Even though democrats made fun of the returns, and other "crumbs" that we'd be getting.
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    Re: Why Trump is likely to win the election in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I've always found it amusing when people believe that it's only the right side of the aisle that has all of the rich donors.
    Didn't Hillary's campaign cost almost a billion dollars, or something to the tune of like 800 million?
    While Trump's wasn't even half that much. Then again he did receive almost 100 million in free press... so that nearly.. evens it out.. I guess?

    This whole article is about what, Trump rubbing elbows with his own supporters and financers?
    Sounds like more of an issue is being taken with the fact that he's doing it at his own golf club, than anything else.
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    Re: Why Trump is likely to win the election in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I've always found it amusing when people believe that it's only the right side of the aisle that has all of the rich donors.
    I've always found it amusing that no one questions spending greater than a $Bil for a job that pays $400k annually.

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    Re: Why Trump is likely to win the election in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Okay, so what? You don't think that the ultimate Democratic candidate will be doing similar schmoozing with their side's wealthy and famous seeking contributions and endorsements?

    Meanwhile, I also find myself happy with the tax cuts. This because I more than doubled my "return," as I not only got more back this time than ever before, they also took an equivalent amount less out of my paychecks in withholdings during the tax year.

    How come people always complain about taxes having less impact on the rich than on the common taxpayer? Making comparisons like "10% of $100.00 has more impact on the common person than 10% of $1 million," yet ignoring how much more it also means to the common taxpayer when they get back more than what they did prior to these tax cuts?

    Meanwhile, it won't be the money that decides whether or not Trump will win, it is the same factors that decide any incumbent's chances. Is the nation doing better economically than before at the time of the election, and are more people than not content.
    Actually no. Most of the candidates have pledged not to take corporate PAC money, no fossil fuel money, no Super PACS money and no federal lobbyists money. Biden isn’t accepting money from “unions, federal contractors, national banks or foreign nationals.” Mayor Pete Buttigieg also rejects donations from the pharmaceutical industry. Eric Swalwell did not want support from “the NRA or tobacco industry.” Mayor Bill de Blasio specified he'll refuse any lobbyists or businesses that do business with New York City in his response.


    24 campaigns are rejecting donations from corporate PACs
    19 campaigns are rejecting donations from the fossil fuel industry
    13 campaigns are rejecting donations from federal lobbyists
    9 campaigns are rejecting donations from all Super PACs

    The evidence shows that campaign donations buy access and policy outcomes. So no, there will be no special interests able to give donations to any of these democratic candidates. Most of their donations are coming from small personal donors.

    You've answered that you like your 401K and when the choice comes, "401K or country" Your 401K wins, as I have predicted.

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    Re: Why Trump is likely to win the election in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I've always found it amusing when people believe that it's only the right side of the aisle that has all of the rich donors.
    Incumbent Presidents don't have to spend a dime during primary season. Trump can just squirrel it all away until after the convention. The Democratic nominee will have spent as much as he collects and still borrow more, through Sept or Oct.

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    Re: Why Trump is likely to win the election in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    Actually no. Most of the candidates have pledged not to take corporate PAC money, no fossil fuel money, no Super PACS money and no federal lobbyists money. Biden isn’t accepting money from “unions, federal contractors, national banks or foreign nationals.” Mayor Pete Buttigieg also rejects donations from the pharmaceutical industry. Eric Swalwell did not want support from “the NRA or tobacco industry.” Mayor Bill de Blasio specified he'll refuse any lobbyists or businesses that do business with New York City in his response.


    24 campaigns are rejecting donations from corporate PACs
    19 campaigns are rejecting donations from the fossil fuel industry
    13 campaigns are rejecting donations from federal lobbyists
    9 campaigns are rejecting donations from all Super PACs

    The evidence shows that campaign donations buy access and policy outcomes. So no, there will be no special interests able to give donations to any of these democratic candidates. Most of their donations are coming from small personal donors.

    You've answered that you like your 401K and when the choice comes, "401K or country" Your 401K wins, as I have predicted.
    With over 20 people competing to get "noticed" and achieve a viable chance to be nominated, I am not surprised that they are "pledging" all sorts of things at this point in their campaigns. Hell, they are all already making massive "pie-in-the-sky" free everything promises too.

    But IMO when the final contender gets selected, they will pander to wealthy interests just like Hillary did, or did you forget that "secret" event caught on someone's phone-cam where she promised rich donors all sorts of things?

    As for your "401K" dismissal? I don't have one. Meanwhile that has NOTHING to do with the fact that most people got a decent tax break and the positive impact of having more money returned was just as great as the alleged opposite impact of being taxed at the same rate as a rich person. Your deflection notwithstanding. :
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    Re: Why Trump is likely to win the election in 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    I have to begin to explain how this will happen by posting a link to an article in the Washington Post.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.d609770e0bf1

    Trump is spending the weekend at his Bedminster Golf Club in New Jersey.

    [snip]Upon arriving in New Jersey, though, he still has one item on the schedule: A “roundtable with supporters” that will be held at the golf club. This isn’t just a sit-down with some random Trump fans. It is, instead, a perk for high-dollar donors to the president’s reelection campaign. According to an invitation obtained by Insider NJ, those participating in this informal conversation have spent $100,000 to do so. That level of donation also earns donors a photo with the president.

    That’s money that goes to the campaign — but some of it also ends up going back to Bedminster in the form of event space and catering. Meaning that some of it also ends up back in President Trump’s pocket.

    According to data compiled from Federal Election Commission reports by ProPublica, three campaign committees linked to Trump’s reelection — the Republican National Committee, Trump’s campaign committee and Trump Victory, a joint committee between the Trump campaign and the Republican Party — have spent over $700,000 at Trump properties this cycle. Over the past year, the total is nearly $1.4 million.

    The most spent in one day was at Mar-a-Lago in late March, when the RNC and Trump Victory spent over $400,000.[/snip]

    Okay so you get the idea.

    The following are the top donors to Trump's campaign:

    1. Robert Mercer, Renaissance Technologies - $13.5 million
    2. Sheldon Adelson and Miriam Adelson, Las Vegas Sands Corporation (LVS) - $10 million
    3. Linda McMahon, World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. (WWE) - $6 million
    4. Bernard Marcus, Retired - $7 million
    5. Geoffrey Palmer, G.H. Palmer Associates - $2 million
    6. Ronald M Cameron, Mountaire Corp. - $2 million
    7. Peter Thiel, Palantir Technologies - $1.25 million
    8. Walter Buckley Jr, Actua Corporation (ACTA) - $1 million
    9. Cherna Moskowitz, Hawaiian Gardens Casino - $1 million
    10. Peter Zieve, Electroimpact - $1 million

    It's fairly obvious why wealthy people support Trump and want to keep Trump in the White House. He's good for their bank accounts. Focusing on the 2027 tax tables show that the tax cuts, 83% of it going to the top 1 percent, the richest people in this country.

    The millionaires are happier than they've ever been and every day people are happy that their 401K is doing so well. So it will be a binary choice November 3, 2020, "do I vote for my 401K or do I vote for the country?" As you can see from the title of the thread, I already have a pretty good idea of what that choice will be.
    Hmm... do folks vote for being able to personally save for their retirement, by being able to keep more of what they earn, or count on the ever growing federal government spending (and debt) to take care of their needs?

    The biggest problem with (promising ever more) socialism is that you will eventually run out of other people's money to spend and/or borrow. When the nation currently refuses to tax enough to fund Medicare for some, even with its $135/month in additional premiums (reduction in Social Security retirement benefits) and covering up to 80% of medical care costs, then it is very hard (impossible?) to believe that it would tax enough to cover Medicare for all with no premiums and covering 100% of medical care costs).
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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