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    Re: Moon landing 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    The US can either make a decision to get back into the manned space mission game or leave the moon and Mars to entrepreneurs like Elon Musk and rival states like China. The choice is up to Americans.

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    I don't think Elon or his peers taking the helm is a bad thing.
    In the early days of the space program, futurists were talking about the private sector in space, and it seemed perfectly normal, just as it should now. NASA's mission changes from time to time, and if the private sector dominates, then NASA's mission will change again.

    But it will still be deemed a success.
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    Re: Moon landing 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
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    Why is private sector driven space exploration and exploitation good for humanity, the Earth and the rest of the solar system? Who will own the moon, Mars, Ceres and Vesta? Who will decide the laws of space, levy taxes on extra-terrestrial companies and who will settle disputes off-world? The Wild-Up will make the Wild West look tame by comparison and when the asteroids start flying we're gonna get hit.

    So why is private sector driven space exploration a good idea? Please make a case.

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    I predict space tourism will become huge. Birthdays, weddings, anniversaries, romantic getaways (there has always been a mystique about getting it on in space , it will make the mile high club look tame).

    There’s a lot of money to made there. And that’s fine.

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    Re: Moon landing 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
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    Why is private sector driven space exploration and exploitation good for humanity, the Earth and the rest of the solar system? Who will own the moon, Mars, Ceres and Vesta? Who will decide the laws of space, levy taxes on extra-terrestrial companies and who will settle disputes off-world? The Wild-Up will make the Wild West look tame by comparison and when the asteroids start flying we're gonna get hit.

    So why is private sector driven space exploration a good idea? Please make a case.

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    I can't make a case for binary thinking because I think NASA will still be important, and I am convinced that the Elon Musks of the world would agree. Ownership of celestial bodies is something that the international community has to consider and currently there are treaties that rule out such ownership.
    I don't think that NASA is or can be capable of deciding such issues. Think United Nations.
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    Re: Moon landing 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Thinking of it makes me sad. I watched the moon landing on TV with my father. He passed away. I miss him. America was gentler and nicer them. We were able to accomplish great things. The OP is right. We are not making America great again. We're making it small-minded.
    In the summer of 1969, The U.S.A. was fighting in Vietnam, cities had been burned recently in riots, and Joe Biden was a couple years away of working with the segregationists who ran the Senate.
    On the flip side, President Trump has called for the creation of a "Space Force," which doesn't seem small minded at all.

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    Re: Moon landing 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    These things did not use to be political. Now they are.

    I doubt we would have the political unity or resolve to pull something like this off today.
    You did it by listing talking points you think people you disagree with would raise, but never have -- and do not today, even though plans to return to the Moon and then Mars beyond are in action.

    Objections to the space program, and Apollo specifically, have pretty much always been on the basis of using the money for domestic spending instead. If you think the country and politicians were 100% unified behind it in the '60s, you're mistaken.
    The only reason to be anti-libertarian is there are people you want to control that you wouldn't be able to.

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    Re: Moon landing 50th anniversary

    CBS:

    How would terrestrially-bound organisations be able to enforce laws and treaties if the private sector dominates the means of getting into space?

    Who will regulate mining companies who wish to smash metal-rich asteroids or water-rich comets onto the moon or Mars for resource exploitation?

    Perhaps I have been overly influenced by stories of the abuses by business of colonial Latin America or Africa and Science Fiction books and movies but I think frontier piracy and misbehaviour can be expected unless a state or international policing structure is in place and moving into space as fast as the entrepreneurs. Can a space-based company even be regulated by Earth-based laws?

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    Re: Moon landing 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    CBS:

    How would terrestrial lay bound organisations be able to enforce laws and treaties if the private sector dominates the means of getting into space?

    Who will regulate mining companies who wish to smash metal rich asteroids or water rich comets onto the moon or Mars for resource exploitation?

    Perhaps I have been overly influenced by stories of the abuses by business of colonial Latin America or Africa and Science Fiction books and movies but I think frontier piracy and misbehaviour can be expected unless a state or international policing structure is not in place and moving into space as fast as the entrepreneurs. Can a space-based company even be regulated by Earth-based laws?

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    The company would need to be chartered somewhere. It would be subject to the jurisdiction whichever country it was chartered in.

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    Re: Moon landing 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    In the summer of 1969, The U.S.A. was fighting in Vietnam, cities had been burned recently in riots, and Joe Biden was a couple years away of working with the segregationists who ran the Senate.
    On the flip side, President Trump has called for the creation of a "Space Force," which doesn't seem small minded at all.
    Today I called for a total moratorium of all CRT type analog standard definition television receivers.

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    Re: Moon landing 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    CBS:

    How would terrestrially-bound organisations be able to enforce laws and treaties if the private sector dominates the means of getting into space?

    Who will regulate mining companies who wish to smash metal-rich asteroids or water-rich comets onto the moon or Mars for resource exploitation?

    Perhaps I have been overly influenced by stories of the abuses by business of colonial Latin America or Africa and Science Fiction books and movies but I think frontier piracy and misbehaviour can be expected unless a state or international policing structure is in place and moving into space as fast as the entrepreneurs. Can a space-based company even be regulated by Earth-based laws?

    Cheers.
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    Well it's obvious NASA can't do it. It's way above their pay grade.
    That would be like the FAA deciding who gets to be elected to run for POTUS, or even who gets appointed Commerce Secretary.

    Yeah sure, Evilroddy...like we can do anything to stop the private sector from exploring and exploiting space.
    It's coming, and it may very well turn into something like Arnold Schwarzenegger blowing up the Moon, only it wouldn't be The Terminator, and it would really be happening.

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    Re: Moon landing 50th anniversary

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Do you get that you basically said "this shouldn't be political" . . . and then made it political?
    Or perhaps that it shouldn't be political, but it would be political in the modern era. Stating this as a view isn't making it political.
    Only interested in serious debate.

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