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    Re: What if the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustHanging View Post
    Better. You don't think Trump attacking the Free Press, or making racist attacks on opposition political candidates by telling them to "go back to where you came from" doesn't affect a country's freedom?

    Dang, you need to sit down and think about what you just posted. SMH.

    EDIT: You've dropped four points from 2016, from 90 -> 86. At this rate you will be below Ghana in a year or two. Goooooo Trump!

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    EDIT: You've dropped four points from 2016, from 90 -> 86.

    I know, there's a big..... difference between #86 and #90(LOL)
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    Re: What if the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustHanging View Post
    You already did, supporting Trump. The USA's Freedom ranking is going down fast.

    Freedom in the World Countries | Freedom House

    #1 - Norway
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    #4 - Canada (Go Trudeau!)
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    #45 - Grenada
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    #48 - Latvia
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    #51 - USA


    Yep, we're #51

    Liberals have done their job well(wink)
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    Re: What if the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No, we have a DEMOCRATIC Republic.
    No, we have a Constitutional Republic
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    Re: What if the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustHanging View Post
    You already did, supporting Trump. The USA's Freedom ranking is going down fast.

    Freedom in the World Countries | Freedom House

    #1 - Norway
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    #4 - Canada (Go Trudeau!)
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    #45 - Grenada
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    #51 - USA
    ROFL! I wouldn't exactly describe a socialist promoting organization as being even remotely credible when determining "freedom." They clearly have no clue what the word means.

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    Re: What if the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    The US likes to think of itself as the world's champion of democracy, the world's oldest democracy, a model.

    What is the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    The first important thing to know is that there are powerful interests who would *love* for the American people to stop supporting democracy. They never say so - they'd be declaring war on the American people - but it's always the case that they would love that. Powerful interests who benefit at others' expense are always at odds with democracy.




    Tricks keep their motivation up; by demonizing the 'other side' of two choices, people feel some satisfaction if 'their side' wins over the 'other side'. But the remarkably low approval ratings for Congress show how unsatisfying that it.

    And this is how the American people could be persuaded to just stop supporting democracy. While no one talks about it, they're not far off already.

    All they need is an active campaign to push for it - with rewards if they give it up, and punishments if they don't - as we've seen in other countries where powerful private interests ruin the economy to hold it hostage to pressure voters to give them their way - and we might see a surprisingly large part of the American people who are willing to abandon democracy.

    Add in if people feel that democracy starts to mean putting people in power they don't like - imagine a woman of color elected president - and you wouldn't have to pressure them to say 'screw this'.

    It's possible, it's a dirty little secret that people pretend to more passionately love democracy than they do, not unlike a Thanksgiving dinner with family they don't like. It's easier to pretend, but they're happy to make a change.

    Luckily, it hasn't come to that yet. The powerful interests already gt their way, do why introduce the risk of changing it? So people still do have the vote, in theory can still vote for better things, even if it's a very uphill battle.

    But it's good to understand the fragility of democracy, even from the people it's designed to help, the American people - much less the active hostility to it from the powerful interests.

    What might help? Somehow finding a way to remind the people of their common interests and how they benefit from democracy if they reform the system and elect people who are for them. Not easy, but that's why democracy has to be fought for to remain in effect. If we ever lose it for a moment, we probably couldn't get it back.

    Human societies want to be hierarchical, with a small elite who exploit the rest - it's how societies have always been structured. Democracy is an aberration trying to go against that, and ours is worse and worse at doing so - from our first gilded age to our record inequality now.
    What's to support when we have a two party system in which both major parties owe their heart and soul to corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interests, mega, huge money donors etc. That's where both major parties gets their tens of millions, hundreds of million of dollars for their campaigns and running their organizations. You're correct, they don't represent the people.

    You have one party far to the right of the majority of Americans, the other party far to the left. 2016 election was a prime example of the two major parties coming up with two candidates unwanted by America as a whole. 56% of all Americans didn't like and didn't want Hillary Clinton to become our next president. 60% didn't want Trump. Questions 10 and 11.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...bReport_lv.pdf

    Yet those were the choices forced on us. So you either end up voting for the candidate you least want to lose, not win mind you, but least want to lose. Or you stay home and say to heck with it or vote third party against both major party candidates. 9 million people did exactly that, voted against both major party candidates even though they knew their candidate had no chance of winning. But it was important enough to them to go to the polls and vote against them, to get their vote officially registered against both.

    The people have no representation, only those moneyed folks. Now those corporations, wall street firms, etc. are run by very smart businessmen. They wouldn't donate, invest in politics, political parties if they didn't get a good return from their investment. If they didn't get back 10 times more than their original investment. Most of these investors donate to both parties, although they give more to incumbents as incumbents usually win. But they want to be covered just in case a challenger wins. That way whomever wins, the winner owes them.

    We do have a democracy in name only, one run and operated by the moneyed elite. We voters are just a necessary evil.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: What if the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What's to support when we have a two party system in which both major parties owe their heart and soul to corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interests, mega, huge money donors etc. That's where both major parties gets their tens of millions, hundreds of million of dollars for their campaigns and running their organizations. You're correct, they don't represent the people.

    You have one party far to the right of the majority of Americans, the other party far to the left. 2016 election was a prime example of the two major parties coming up with two candidates unwanted by America as a whole. 56% of all Americans didn't like and didn't want Hillary Clinton to become our next president. 60% didn't want Trump. Questions 10 and 11.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...bReport_lv.pdf

    Yet those were the choices forced on us. So you either end up voting for the candidate you least want to lose, not win mind you, but least want to lose. Or you stay home and say to heck with it or vote third party against both major party candidates. 9 million people did exactly that, voted against both major party candidates even though they knew their candidate had no chance of winning. But it was important enough to them to go to the polls and vote against them, to get their vote officially registered against both.

    The people have no representation, only those moneyed folks. Now those corporations, wall street firms, etc. are run by very smart businessmen. They wouldn't donate, invest in politics, political parties if they didn't get a good return from their investment. If they didn't get back 10 times more than their original investment. Most of these investors donate to both parties, although they give more to incumbents as incumbents usually win. But they want to be covered just in case a challenger wins. That way whomever wins, the winner owes them.

    We do have a democracy in name only, one run and operated by the moneyed elite. We voters are just a necessary evil.
    At the end of the day, aren't voters responsible for the candidates they pick?

    A Corporation can donate all it wants, but how does would that sway me?

    I believe we get the candidates we get because as voters, we are lazy.

    That is the real issue at play, not how many dollars are raised and from whom.
    When you talk about the firm that produced the Steele reporting, the name of the firm that produced that was Fusion GPS. Is that correct?

    Im not familiar with that, Robert Mueller answered.

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    Re: What if the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What's to support when we have a two party system in which both major parties owe their heart and soul to corporations, wall street firms, lobbyist, special interests, mega, huge money donors etc. That's where both major parties gets their tens of millions, hundreds of million of dollars for their campaigns and running their organizations. You're correct, they don't represent the people.

    You have one party far to the right of the majority of Americans, the other party far to the left. 2016 election was a prime example of the two major parties coming up with two candidates unwanted by America as a whole. 56% of all Americans didn't like and didn't want Hillary Clinton to become our next president. 60% didn't want Trump. Questions 10 and 11.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...bReport_lv.pdf

    Yet those were the choices forced on us. So you either end up voting for the candidate you least want to lose, not win mind you, but least want to lose. Or you stay home and say to heck with it or vote third party against both major party candidates. 9 million people did exactly that, voted against both major party candidates even though they knew their candidate had no chance of winning. But it was important enough to them to go to the polls and vote against them, to get their vote officially registered against both.

    The people have no representation, only those moneyed folks. Now those corporations, wall street firms, etc. are run by very smart businessmen. They wouldn't donate, invest in politics, political parties if they didn't get a good return from their investment. If they didn't get back 10 times more than their original investment. Most of these investors donate to both parties, although they give more to incumbents as incumbents usually win. But they want to be covered just in case a challenger wins. That way whomever wins, the winner owes them.

    We do have a democracy in name only, one run and operated by the moneyed elite. We voters are just a necessary evil.
    The situation is made much worse by the federal government granting itself ever more power. Of the 535 congress critters no citizen may vote for (or against) more than 3 of them, yet campaign cash donors can (and do) influence the chances of success for any (all?) of them.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: What if the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The situation is made much worse by the federal government granting itself ever more power. Of the 535 congress critters no citizen may vote for (or against) more than 3 of them, yet campaign cash donors can (and do) influence the chances of success for any (all?) of them.
    I agree with you about the federal government usurpation of power from the States, but what has that got to do with our right to contribute to any candidate we want? Do you not support free speech or freedom of association?

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    Re: What if the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Kim is still launching missiles into the sea of Japan and busily building ICBM bases without Chinese sanctions which were removed because of Trump's "talks". China is making trade alliances without the U.S. and bankrupting our farmers because of Trump's trade war. Russia is in control of Syria and Venuzuela and Trump does nothing. Iran is back to enriching uranium for a bomb and endangering the oil traffic in the straights of Hormuz because Trump withdrew from the nuclear agreement without a plan. Trump has done nothing but make our problems worse and weakening our alliances while strengthening our enemies. Some wonder whether Putin is controlling him, I don't care because he is acting exactly the same as if he was.

    Hogwash. if ANYTHING you are seeing how much power we had let our enemies attain , and now being used because Trump is standing up to them.

    the sanctions that Iran is railing against are the plan. much more harmful to their regime than the nothing agreement we had.

    WTF do you think Iran is being aggressive? because they love Trumps policies? because it helps them?

    if we are not careful we won;t have enough power to stop nations like china from ruling... everything essentially, and then you won't have the ability to make your dislike known because your freedoms will be nil.

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    Re: What if the people of the US stop supporting democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    I agree with you about the federal government usurpation of power from the States, but what has that got to do with our right to contribute to any candidate we want? Do you not support free speech or freedom of association?
    Why have residency requirements for candidates (and voters) if there are none for those who financially support the candidates offered (to others)? Obviously, any individual can donate time and/or money to the candidate(s) of their choice but what chance do most have of competing with (offsetting?) the contributions of huge corporations, PACs or labor unions?
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