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The Soviets won the Space race where it really counts

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How the Soviets Won the Space Race for Equality - The New York Times

Great article that puts it all in perspective. While we were fighting a ****-waving contest of toxic masculinity just to see if we could be the first country to have a man kick dirt on the moon, the Soviets were building a real diverse and inclusive space community. They saw space travel as an endeavor of humanity and its diversity and not some chest-beating competition. It'll require the strength of our diversity to get us to Mars or beyond.
 
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dick waving contests are the only things that get America's money moving. or, used to. now, it's basically oil.

if only we'd cared so much when Russia implemented universal healthcare in the 1990s. or when China is massively shifting to renewable energy.

i support diversity in what we do, but it's secondary, at best, to just doing the right things.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
How the Soviets Won the Space Race for Equality - The New York Times

Great article that puts it all in perspective. While we were fighting a ****-waving contest of toxic masculinity just to see if we could be the first country to have a man kick dirt on the moon, the Soviets were building a real diverse and inclusive space community. They saw space travel as an endeavor of humanity and its diversity and not some cheat-beating competition. It'll require the strength of our diversity to get us to Mars or beyond.
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Right, which is why the Russian space program, in its six decades, has flown 4 women, and we've flown 50, several of which were commanders, as well as a zillion other firsts.

Your need for attention is getting pretty sad.
 
This is so frikkin’ stupid.
 
nekrodev said:
dick waving contests are the only things that get America's money moving. or, used to. now, it's basically oil.

if only we'd cared so much when Russia implemented universal healthcare in the 1990s. or when China is massively shifting to renewable energy.

i support diversity in what we do, but it's secondary, at best, to just doing the right things.
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You must be from the future

China’s power industry calls for hundreds of new coal power plants by 2030 - Unearthed
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
How the Soviets Won the Space Race for Equality - The New York Times

Great article that puts it all in perspective. While we were fighting a ****-waving contest of toxic masculinity just to see if we could be the first country to have a man kick dirt on the moon, the Soviets were building a real diverse and inclusive space community. They saw space travel as an endeavor of humanity and its diversity and not some chest-beating competition. It'll require the strength of our diversity to get us to Mars or beyond.
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Looks to me like the NYT is engaged in a p****-waving contest.
 
On June 16, 1963, Valentina Tereshkova, a 26-year-old factory worker-turned-cosmonaut...

The Soviets were also the first to send dogs into space... must be a nod to their inestimable record on animal rights.
 
Harshaw said:
Apparently NBC didn't want to be outdone. The Today Show is giving airtime to Moon landing conspiracy theories.

The Today Show on Twitter: "Did man really land on the moon in 1969 or was it all a publicity stunt? #9Today… "
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It could be a conspiracy, but to me it doesn't matter. Ultimately all we accomplished was creating another white-male moment in history rather than attempting to unite all countries under a common scientific cause. We could've seen ourselves as one people in the entire world for one day, but nooooo, it's gotta about 'Murica and "one small step for (white) man".

I'll go ahead and predict for you right now, tomorrow Trump's going to turn the Apollo 11 mission into a "rah rah Murica rah rah white men" moment. Even white racists know what I'm saying is true.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
How the Soviets Won the Space Race for Equality - The New York Times

Great article that puts it all in perspective. While we were fighting a ****-waving contest of toxic masculinity just to see if we could be the first country to have a man kick dirt on the moon, the Soviets were building a real diverse and inclusive space community. They saw space travel as an endeavor of humanity and its diversity and not some chest-beating competition. It'll require the strength of our diversity to get us to Mars or beyond.
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Fighting a dick-waving contest of toxic masculinity??
Shooting guns and dropping bombs on ordinary people as they go about their lives is toxic masculinity.
Competing in a scientific endeavor is not.

If your judgment is that far off that you cannot even comprehend two dissimilar things, maybe you need to sharpen your powers of perception a little bit. The entire reason you're able to use the technology sitting right in front of you is due to that so called "dick-waving", which by the way was undertaken by thousands of persons who aren't equipped with penii, namely the thousands of women administrators, engineers and technicians who were employed by NASA during the Lunar missions.

In addition, an even greater number of female scientists worked at Bell Labs, which spurred the initial work in microprocessor technology.
 
nekrodev said:
Nothing is perfect, but way to not be honest -

China leads in global shift to renewable energy | Business| Economy and finance news from a German perspective | DW | 05.04.2018

China Is Set To Become The World's Renewable Energy Superpower, According To New Report

China expands solar and other renewable energy sources - Business Insider
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Yeah, the Chinese are investing in alternative energy because they can't breathe :doh:

China’s pollution-caused smog, particularly in its larger cities, is infamously awful. According to Greenpeace, in 2017, the deadly fine particulates in Shanghai’s air (called PM2.5) exceeded World Health Organization air-quality guidelines by nearly four times. And that jumped to six times for the air in Beijing. :shock:

China’s air pollution is so bad that solar panels don’t work anymore
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Harshaw said:
Apparently NBC didn't want to be outdone. The Today Show is giving airtime to Moon landing conspiracy theories.

The Today Show on Twitter: "Did man really land on the moon in 1969 or was it all a publicity stunt? #9Today… "
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But you didn't actually watch the segment, apparently.
They brought on an expert in conspiracy theories to explain just how bad the phenomenon had become, and to explore possible reasons why.
She also showed up on the Smerconish program on radio to do much the same thing.

They weren't "giving airtime TO conspiracy theories", they were helping get listeners understand just how bizarre it had become.
A large portion of Smerconish was devoted to the guest's experiences while attending a Flat Earther convention, and they spent a fair bit of time putting a spotlight on the logical disconnects necessary to actually buy into these outlier theories.
 
Ahlevah said:
Yeah, the Chinese are investing in alternative energy because they can't breathe :doh:
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That doesn't change the fact that they're doing something on a national scale, while we just sit around and bitch about how climate change is a hoax.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
But you didn't actually watch the segment, apparently.
They brought on an expert in conspiracy theories to explain just how bad the phenomenon had become, and to explore possible reasons why.
She also showed up on the Smerconish program on radio to do much the same thing.

They weren't "giving airtime TO conspiracy theories", they were helping get listeners understand just how bizarre it had become.
A large portion of Smerconish was devoted to the guest's experiences while attending a Flat Earther convention, and they spent a fair bit of time putting a spotlight on the logical disconnects necessary to actually buy into these outlier theories.
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Giving it a millisecond of attention is ridiculous.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
It could be a conspiracy, but to me it doesn't matter. Ultimately all we accomplished was creating another white-male moment in history rather than attempting to unite all countries under a common scientific cause. We could've seen ourselves as one people in the entire world for one day, but nooooo, it's gotta about 'Murica and "one small step for (white) man".

I'll go ahead and predict for you right now, tomorrow Trump's going to turn the Apollo 11 mission into a "rah rah Murica rah rah white men" moment. Even white racists know what I'm saying is true.
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:screwy
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
It could be a conspiracy, but to me it doesn't matter. Ultimately all we accomplished was creating another white-male moment in history rather than attempting to unite all countries under a common scientific cause. We could've seen ourselves as one people in the entire world for one day, but nooooo, it's gotta about 'Murica and "one small step for (white) man".

I'll go ahead and predict for you right now, tomorrow Trump's going to turn the Apollo 11 mission into a "rah rah Murica rah rah white men" moment. Even white racists know what I'm saying is true.
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It COULD be a conspiracy, you say?

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AtlantaAdonis said:
It could be a conspiracy, but to me it doesn't matter. Ultimately all we accomplished was creating another white-male moment in history rather than attempting to unite all countries under a common scientific cause. We could've seen ourselves as one people in the entire world for one day, but nooooo, it's gotta about 'Murica and "one small step for (white) man".

I'll go ahead and predict for you right now, tomorrow Trump's going to turn the Apollo 11 mission into a "rah rah Murica rah rah white men" moment. Even white racists know what I'm saying is true.
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My own space exploration effort VGH included only nongendered vegans with deep moral convictions.

We collapsed in the initial funding phase but it's the principle that I believe truly makes VGH the best space program of all time.
 
Harshaw said:
Right, which is why the Russian space program, in its six decades, has flown 4 women, and we've flown 50, several of which were commanders, as well as a zillion other firsts.

Your need for attention is getting pretty sad.
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Ouch, that should put an end to that stupid op.
 
Harshaw said:
There's no reason to dignify it.
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This is silly...come on Harsaw, I know we don't agree on much but since you didn't hear or see the two shows, your frame of reference isn't there.
These people were laughing at it, dissecting it.
It's as if you're claiming that the AMC series "Breaking Bad" inspires people to become meth heads or meth dealers.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
This is silly...come on Harsaw, I know we don't agree on much but since you didn't hear or see the two shows, your frame of reference isn't there.
These people were laughing at it, dissecting it.
It's as if you're claiming that the AMC series "Breaking Bad" inspires people to become meth heads or meth dealers.
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That has, traditionally, been the right's view on this. Remember the hysteria over violent movies and video games? Hysteria over heavy metal? Comedy with foul language?
 
maxparrish said:
Ouch, that should put an end to that stupid op.
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Ask a Russian, or should I say, a Soviet, why a personal computer in the USSR cost over a hundred thousand dollars in 1991.
The Russians had been working on microprocessor development for well over a decade by that point.

Not only was the NASA Lunar Space Race NOT a dick waving contest, to put it in proper perspective, it was actually the kind of "war" we should all aspire to INSTEAD OF an actual shooting war. Liberals and conservatives worked together in ways that we have not seen since.
Do you wish to denigrate that, too?

If all nations would engage in THAT kind of war, so called "wars" of that kind would transform the very nature of our perception of war itself.
Atlanta Adonis, your problem is that you're so spoiled by having been born decades AFTER the space race that you're allowing yourself to listen to a narrative that never EVER allows the possibility that even ordinary Americans can ever simply be ingenious AND socially backward at the same time, and that it is NOT always a signal that we're evil and despicable.
And now you're even entertaining that this space race you're denigrating might not have ever reached the Moon at all.
Words fail me.

The fact that our scientific endeavors generated and fueled the most uplifting and largest global technological leap forward in human history while we were still struggling with the need to advance our social development is merely a testament to the fluid nature of progress and the human condition itself.

And the fact that we've flown fifty women in space since those early days, signifies that the early chauvinism in our space program ultimately became a victim of NASA's success.

But people like you, the toxic regressive extremists of the far Left, can't see it, and yet I'm a liberal and I can.
And I'm sixty-three years old, I lived through those years personally.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Ask a Russian, or should I say, a Soviet, why a personal computer in the USSR cost over a hundred thousand dollars in 1991.
The Russians had been working on microprocessor development for well over a decade by that point.

Not only was the NASA Lunar Space Race NOT a dick waving contest, to put it in proper perspective, it was actually the kind of "war" we should all aspire to INSTEAD OF an actual shooting war. Liberals and conservatives worked together in ways that we have not seen since.
Do you wish to denigrate that, too?

If all nations would engage in THAT kind of war, so called "wars" of that kind would transform the very nature of our perception of war itself.
Atlanta Adonis, your problem is that you're so spoiled by having been born decades AFTER the space race that you're allowing yourself to listen to a narrative that never EVER allows the possibility that even ordinary Americans can ever simply be ingenious AND socially backward at the same time, and that it is NOT always a signal that we're evil and despicable.
And now you're even entertaining that this space race you're denigrating might not have ever reached the Moon at all.
Words fail me.

The fact that our scientific endeavors generated and fueled the most uplifting and largest global technological leap forward in human history while we were still struggling with the need to advance our social development is merely a testament to the fluid nature of progress and the human condition itself.

And the fact that we've flown fifty women in space since those early days, signifies that the early chauvinism in our space program ultimately became a victim of NASA's success.

But people like you, the toxic regressive extremists of the far Left, can't see it, and yet I'm a liberal and I can.
And I'm sixty-three years old, I lived through those years personally.
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I won't argue that the Cold War didn't come without some benefit, maybe we should have our government invest in our country JUST BECAUSE THAT'ST THE RIGHT THING TO DO, instead of it being a fear-mongering campaign that could have wiped out life on Earth.
 
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