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White America

Do you want to keep America White?

  • I want to keep America White

    Votes: 6 10.2%

  • I am happy with the present mix

    Votes: 10 16.9%

  • I am not opposed to the present trend toward ethnicity

    Votes: 43 72.9%
  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
PirateMk1 said:
You should had an option that said "I don't care." or "Who da **** cares."

I cant believe how many people that are hung up on race in this forum one way or another. Especially progressives for some ****ing reason.

I am a bonified, certified mutt. My clan and family took Gods commandment to go forth and procreate in earnest. I do mean with deadly earnest. Don't ask. The details shall we say are rather disconcerting to say the least.

My clan is or has been on every continent and is on every currently inhabited continent. Some of my kin are so black they are damn near blue. Others are like me more of a swarthy kind of white though we have plenty pasty white boys and girls amongst us. There are Asians and Indians of both kinds. My clan through blood relation encompass almost every so called ethnic or racial group from one degree or another, generally erring on the side of more. I call myself Caucasian because that happens to be the largest percentage of MY particular genes at about 30%, then it goes Indian (the native American kind, Apache Sioux and Cherokee amongst others), Indian as in east Indian, Black as African and American versions, somewhere along the line Japanese and Korean got mixed in measurable percentages then traces most everyone else. It's easier for the geneticist to figure out who our family didn't ****, which excludes only a handful of very isolated communities. We our clan is a geneticist wet dream, or waking nightmare depending on who's doing the describing.

Now that's the long way of describing pretty much every human clan on the planet from one degree or another, granted not near the degree as mine but none the less everybody is pretty much related in one way or another to everyone else. Or at the very least you are all, at in some shape or form related to me. Now isn't that a happy thought?

Bottom line we are ALL mutts, its simply a matter of degree.

:mrgreen:
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I don't quite go as far as you do but my father was Italian (came to the U.S. when he was 5 years old, my mother was born in the U.S. but of German parents and I was born and raised in Mexico.

That certainly is a mix to say the least. Nonetheless, I do believe you broke the mold.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
---Don't take my word for it.
And as the article points out, it was even narrowed down to the darker and more swarthy "Southern" Italians and Sicilians, like myself.

One of the largest mass lynchings in US history was conducted against Italian immigrants in New Orleans, and even a future president, Teddy Roosevelt, said that it was a good thing.
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I'm not disputing that at all...

my people were from Caldogno which is in the Veneto...

my wife is one of yous darker swarthy Sicilians.., from Vincari, outside Palermo...

You Siciliano or a calabrese?
 
Bullseye said:
Actually, today most of the screening and vetting done at Ellis Island back then is supposed to be done at Embassies and Consulates in the home country BEFORE the individual immigrates.
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I don't have a problem with that. We have modern communications today, so vetting arrivals is not that big of a deal. If the immigrant passes the initial intake process in their home country, it should be no problem to do followup here. But the main point is, Ellis Island is not what we have today, not even remotely.
 
PirateMk1 said:
You should had an option that said "I don't care." or "Who da **** cares."

I cant believe how many people that are hung up on race in this forum one way or another. Especially progressives for some ****ing reason.

I am a bonified, certified mutt. My clan and family took Gods commandment to go forth and procreate in earnest. I do mean with deadly earnest. Don't ask. The details shall we say are rather disconcerting to say the least.

My clan is or has been on every continent and is on every currently inhabited continent. Some of my kin are so black they are damn near blue. Others are like me more of a swarthy kind of white though we have plenty pasty white boys and girls amongst us. There are Asians and Indians of both kinds. My clan through blood relation encompass almost every so called ethnic or racial group from one degree or another, generally erring on the side of more. I call myself Caucasian because that happens to be the largest percentage of MY particular genes at about 30%, then it goes Indian (the native American kind, Apache Sioux and Cherokee amongst others), Indian as in east Indian, Black as African and American versions, somewhere along the line Japanese and Korean got mixed in measurable percentages then traces most everyone else. It's easier for the geneticist to figure out who our family didn't ****, which excludes only a handful of very isolated communities. We our clan is a geneticist wet dream, or waking nightmare depending on who's doing the describing.

Now that's the long way of describing pretty much every human clan on the planet from one degree or another, granted not near the degree as mine but none the less everybody is pretty much related in one way or another to everyone else. Or at the very least you are all, at in some shape or form related to me. Now isn't that a happy thought?

Bottom line we are ALL mutts, its simply a matter of degree.

:mrgreen:
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I just thought of something. Since I am only 30% Caucasian, that means I am 70% mixed minority. Does this mean I am/was eligible for all those affirmative action programs I have failed apply for because I had 30% Caucasian blood? I have been thinking wrong this whole time. I am a minority. I am going to have to go over my family genealogical chart and do some math. That will be ****ing calculus. I could claim american Indian but I am only like 5% or so of 4 or 5 different kinds. I could claim black. I am 7% or so. East Indian? Korean? How about Japanese. I wished they a box that said mutt or mixed minority. That would make things easier. I might be missing out on government beni's that I cant have exclusive access to because of my race. Which begs the question. Besides mutt, which is not an official race, what the **** am I? :confused:
 
ChezC3 said:
I'm not disputing that at all...

my people were from Caldogno which is in the Veneto...

my wife is one of yous darker swarthy Sicilians.., from Vincari, outside Palermo...

You Siciliano or a calabrese?
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Rapino, province of Chieti in Arbruzzo, birthplace of the late Sergio Marchionne – Former CEO of Ferrari and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles. My family owned Bontempo Ceramiche, renowned manufacturer of Italian dishware.

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RaleBulgarian said:
What’s a head scratcher is your assertion that maintaining a nearly homogeneous society would have been more beneficial to America. That view is contrary to the reality that the United States has the highest GDP of any developed country, nearly two times that of it's closest competitor, China, which has nearly four times our population and is far more homogeneous.

If diversity through immigration was bad for America, as you assert, we wouldn’t be the world leader that we are.
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As I stated The USA become the greatest ECONOMIC & military power in the world overtaking Britain in the
early part of the 20th century, over 100 years ago far before the globalistic 'Age of Diversity' when the USA was 90% European white.

As for your comment "If diversity through immigration was bad for America, as you assert, we wouldn’t be the world leader that we are"

Doesn't this bombastic flourish of yours seem feeble & flawed when it's been established that we became the world leader in GDP when the
USA was one of the most monochromatic nations if not the most monochromatic nation in the entire western hemisphere.

Our nearly homogeneous society up until 50 years ago was able to create the greatest economic engine the world has ever seen & was essential
to reaching that envious status America has enjoyed for a century. Even someone with only a pedestrian awareness of US history wouldn't attempt
to connect our new found diversity to the history of our GDP successes.

The United States represented 28.69% of the world's economy in 1960 (highest point) how we have fallen since then
is astonishing. Eisenhower’s & Kennedy's America was a nation of 160 million with a European Christian core and a culture uniquely its own. The
USA was a country then. What will hold this country together if we don't control both legal & illegal immigration.
It will become a stew of 450 million of every creed culture & color from every country on earth.

It was a period when the USA was at the top of the world. '3/4 of all the cars driven in the world were driven on
USA roads. Pennsylvania still produced 45% of the steel produced in the entire world. America's ethnic mix was
88% European ethnics and 11% black.’

It looks like China has overtaken us in data from the IMF, China a totally monochromatic nation which when we were at our zenith
there were still images fat Europeans being pulled around by a bent over chinese local in rickshaws.

By average values of GDP (PPP)[edit]
The ten largest economies by average values of GDP (PPP[6]) by every half decade from the available data
in IMF and World Bank lists (in USD billions)[7][8][9][10][11]

List of countries by largest historical GDP - Wikipedia

2015
China 19,695.741
United States 18,036.650
India 8,003.405
Japan 5,118.682
Germany 3,860.114
Russia 3,759.692
Brazil 3,216.167
Indonesia 2,849.796 United Kingdom
United Kingdom 2,700.627
France 2,665.863
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Rapino, province of Chieti in Arbruzzo, birthplace of the late Sergio Marchionne – Former CEO of Ferrari and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.
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Yeah, you're calabrese....:lol:

(I know, I know, just giving you the biz... it's always be a longstanding joke in my family that anyone not Venetian or Sicilian is a Calabrese)
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I don't have a problem with that. We have modern communications today, so vetting arrivals is not that big of a deal. If the immigrant passes the initial intake process in their home country, it should be no problem to do followup here. But the main point is, Ellis Island is not what we have today, not even remotely.
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Actually, as I understand it, the entire vetting process is done before the person is allowed entry at all. Do we have a physical place we gather people to process them, ala Ellis Island? Nope, that was a different time; point is that people were screened and vetting BEFORE being allowed in to the country.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
So if you believe this country is made up of a diversity of people from all over the world you are fascist. WOW! Talk about a prejudice view if there ever was one.
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We already knew that reading comprehension is difficult for you. :) Maybe try again? ;)
 
slick said:
As I stated The USA become the greatest ECONOMIC & military power in the world overtaking Britain in the
early part of the 20th century, over 100 years ago far before the globalistic 'Age of Diversity' when the USA was 90% European white.

As for your comment "If diversity through immigration was bad for America, as you assert, we wouldn’t be the world leader that we are"

Doesn't this bombastic flourish of yours seem feeble & flawed when it's been established that we became the world leader in GDP when the
USA was one of the most monochromatic nations if not the most monochromatic nation in the entire western hemisphere.

Our nearly homogeneous society up until 50 years ago was able to create the greatest economic engine the world has ever seen & was essential
to reaching that envious status America has enjoyed for a century. Even someone with only a pedestrian awareness of US history wouldn't attempt
to connect our new found diversity to the history of our GDP successes.
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Biggest crock of **** I have ever read.
Who actually built the railroads, industrial empires, residential and commercial buildings, cars, made the steel, etc.
It wasn't JUST white people, I assure you.
In fact, the largest South to North migration in the country's history was blacks moving to the industrial North to get those good factory jobs.

Our nation's capital was built using slave labor, which by the way was NOT COUNTED accurately because slaves were three-fifths of a person and considered property. Maybe try getting your history from someplace other than Stormfront or Vdare.
 
ChezC3 said:
Yeah, you're calabrese....:lol:

(I know, I know, just giving you the biz... it's always be a longstanding joke in my family that anyone not Venetian or Sicilian is a Calabrese)
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My mother and grandmother had this vendetta thing going on about the Calabrese.
If I questioned why they were muttering under their breath, they would clam up.
But I brought home a vivacious lil gal one weekend and the moment she uttered her last name, (Giordano) I could see my mother's expression change momentarily...

"What??"
"Jeffery, did you have to bring home a Calabrese, marone..." (and she crosses herself)

She eventually accepted her, but not before she pinched me hard on the arm a couple of times. :lamo
It ultimately didn't work out but not because of my mother.
 
Lursa said:
Diversity is what makes all systems in nature stronger, more adaptable. It did so for the US during the Industrial Revolution when millions came to America from across the ocean. And the fearful, ignorant claims from those "Americans of the time" were the same as those we hear today.

Me? I'm sticking with the IDIC: "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" Gene Roddenberry
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Actually that is one of the propaganda slogans that sound warm and fuzzy, and drummed in our little children's heads in primary school as a moralism, but empirically is at least as false as it is true.

Diversity in certain contexts can be a positive, when a complimentary and specialized abilities skill set is added to a mix. Particular immigrants, for example, can add to intellectual diversity and varying strengths in problem solving - for example the difference between mental processing in mathematics between Chinese ("Orientals") and Jews, or differences in spatial reasoning verse language reasoning.

And it can also a positive when the diversity is maintained in separate but networked nations (eg. historic Europe), which was a diversity of talents (and needs) that spawned the industrial revolution in Europe, rather than the far more homogeneous empire of China. However diversity does not make one "stronger" in any social sense - in fact, it is the enemy of social cohesion.

In particular the process of diversification, such as immigration, is destruction of social trust and cohesion. The introduction of the "other" displaces roles and values, invariably causing a clash of identities and culture and increased animosity and distrust.

Sociologist Putnam studied what is often called "social capital" using the his large database: the Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey. Much to his distress and surprise he found that ethnic diversity is associated with reduced trust, even among ethnics of their own kind. One cannot help but read his analysis as a relentless and unsparing critique of diversity.

Being a good but distressed liberal Putnam withheld his findings, finally daring to publish his analysis in 2007. Even though tried to soften the impact with lots of speculative assurances that in the long run it will likely work out there was nothing in his actual analysis to suggest that. In fact, he found that:

In areas of greater diversity, our respondents demonstrate:

• Lower confidence in local government, local leaders and the local news media.17
• Lower political efficacy – that is, confidence in their own influence.18
• Lower frequency of registering to vote, but more interest and knowledge about politics and more participation in protest marches and social reform
groups.19
• Less expectation that others will cooperate to solve dilemmas of collective action (e.g., voluntary conservation to ease a water or energy shortage).20
• Less likelihood of working on a community project.21
• Lower likelihood of giving to charity or volunteering.22
• Fewer close friends and confidants.23
• Less happiness and lower perceived quality of life.24
• More time spent watching television and more agreement that ‘television
is my most important form of entertainment’.

...inhabitants of diverse communities tend to withdraw from collective life, to distrust their neighbours, regardless of the colour of their skin, to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more, but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television. Note that this pattern encompasses attitudes and behavior, bridging and bonding social capital, public and private connections.
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(pages 149 +) putnam diversity SK.pdf - Google Drive

So NO diversity does not make us stronger...but the thought deadening cliche does make some feel better.
 
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Bullseye said:
Actually, as I understand it, the entire vetting process is done before the person is allowed entry at all. Do we have a physical place we gather people to process them, ala Ellis Island? Nope, that was a different time; point is that people were screened and vetting BEFORE being allowed in to the country.
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Sorry but the whole concept of "illegal" immigration was vastly different back then.
Am I saying that we should legalize all forms of entry? No, of course not.

But maybe we should consider it more along the lines of a DUI if you arrive here illegally.
Enforce a stiff fine, while simultaneously making the legal process less of a sick joke.

If they pay the fine in its entirety prior to a deadline, keep out of trouble, get gainful employment, pay their taxes and learn some English, count it toward positive points on their appeal if the quota (a REASONABLE quota) isn't already exceeded.
If they serve in the military, extra points.
If they fail to meet the above metrics, out they go.

Make it more sensible and reasonable to do everything legally and we will SEE less illegal immigration.
But the one thing I do know is, what we're doing now is going to be an enormous setback for any who eventually remain here.
Stressful long term detention/incarceration cannot possibly be a net positive for any new arrivals.

I don't have any issue with ICE rounding up people who have been already given deportation orders and I don't have a problem with cities and states being forced to share information on criminal aliens with ICE either.

But I'm sorry, I still sense a large amount of distortion from the current administration. For Trump, immigration is a "big shiny thing" distraction and he's milking it. We have a crisis at the border but the border has been a crisis in one way or the other for forty years.

He's not fixing it, he's encouraging private prisons to attract MORE illegals, because they're making a fortune on every single alien.
Nobody who makes a profit or encourages profits from warehousing aliens can be counted on as seriously wanting to fix the problem because the problem is their cash cow.

If the flow of illegals were to be turned off tomorrow, screams and howls from the private prison industry would be heard coast to coast.
In fact, you'd hear it if the flow were even slightly reduced. If anything, these companies want the flow INCREASED.
 
calamity said:
Hispanics are white. And, Asians are like what...2-6%. And, most of them do live in good neighborhoods.
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Which is why I didn't respond to your crap post by addressing the content. You're so dishonest, that you would argue that the USA is 90% (or thereabout) white.
 
bearpoker said:
And then there is racially homogeneous where we see over a decade of stagnation and a shrinking economy.
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My post didn't say anything about economic output, because it was related to Lursa's idea that two spouses who don't even speak the same language, can get married and live happily ever after.
 
j brown's body said:
Housing policy and its consequences can punish those who choose to live in predominently black communities.
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Is that why white liberals aren't moving there these days? Haha, ok.
What about all of the gentrification of black and minority urban areas that exist in order to drive economically disadvantaged minorities out of long held communities, in order for economically advantaged liberals to establish white colonies? We're cool with that?
 
veritas1 said:
I'm less concerned with keeping America white and more concerned with keeping it non-left. Leftist policy will be the downfall here as it has been everywhere else it's been employed. Oh, and spare me talk about Norway and Sweden. They are capitalist nations with government healthcare. The left here wants much bigger changes than that.
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Yes, tyranny is preferable to liberalism for your side.
 
Bullseye said:
Actually, today most of the screening and vetting done at Ellis Island back then is supposed to be done at Embassies and Consulates in the home country BEFORE the individual immigrates.
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I bet they were thorough.
 
Casper said:
What a huge load of BS. You got everything you covered 100% Wrong, you truly have been brainwashed, clue; reality is usually somewhere in the middle of extremes .....
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Try reading actual history, not the fantasy alternative reality the corporate fascists tell.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I just thought of something. Since I am only 30% Caucasian, that means I am 70% mixed minority. Does this mean I am/was eligible for all those affirmative action programs I have failed apply for because I had 30% Caucasian blood? I have been thinking wrong this whole time. I am a minority. I am going to have to go over my family genealogical chart and do some math. That will be ****ing calculus. I could claim american Indian but I am only like 5% or so of 4 or 5 different kinds. I could claim black. I am 7% or so. East Indian? Korean? How about Japanese. I wished they a box that said mutt or mixed minority. That would make things easier. I might be missing out on government beni's that I cant have exclusive access to because of my race. Which begs the question. Besides mutt, which is not an official race, what the **** am I? :confused:
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Under the old Democratic Party "one drop" rule, you nor anyone that follows you in ancestry can NEVER be white. Not now. Not 10,000 years from now even if every parent hereinafter is 100% white ancestry. Only PURE white people are white.
 
j brown's body said:
Yes, tyranny is preferable to liberalism for your side.
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Despite your love of corporate fascism in your messages, that is the new tyranny that you advocate for.

Forget about liberalism. It is DEAD in the Democratic Party. Rather it is "progressivism," and in real terms that means corporate fascism. The Democratic Party now FURIOUSLY opposes virtually every traditional stance of the the Democratic Party.

Most notable? The Democratic Party used to oppose mass immigration of low and no skill immigrants on behalf of the unions and working people. Immigrants were who rich industrialists used as "scabs" to break union strikes. Mass numbers of immigrants trash working people's wages. The Democratic Party USED to support tariffs to protect American jobs.

The Democratic Party, now, to the exact opposite, furiously defends foreign child slave labor sweatshops in ranting against any tariffs and furiously demands open boards to totally trash domestic wages - all on behalf of their super rich corporate-fascist employers. Since the corporate super rich OWN the MSM, press and Internet, everyone is fed corporate-fascist propaganda every day, every night, every week, every month, every year.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Sorry but the whole concept of "illegal" immigration was vastly different back then.
Am I saying that we should legalize all forms of entry? No, of course not.

But maybe we should consider it more along the lines of a DUI if you arrive here illegally.
Enforce a stiff fine, while simultaneously making the legal process less of a sick joke.

If they pay the fine in its entirety prior to a deadline, keep out of trouble, get gainful employment, pay their taxes and learn some English, count it toward positive points on their appeal if the quota (a REASONABLE quota) isn't already exceeded.
If they serve in the military, extra points.
If they fail to meet the above metrics, out they go.

Make it more sensible and reasonable to do everything legally and we will SEE less illegal immigration.
But the one thing I do know is, what we're doing now is going to be an enormous setback for any who eventually remain here.
Stressful long term detention/incarceration cannot possibly be a net positive for any new arrivals.

I don't have any issue with ICE rounding up people who have been already given deportation orders and I don't have a problem with cities and states being forced to share information on criminal aliens with ICE either.

But I'm sorry, I still sense a large amount of distortion from the current administration. For Trump, immigration is a "big shiny thing" distraction and he's milking it. We have a crisis at the border but the border has been a crisis in one way or the other for forty years.

He's not fixing it, he's encouraging private prisons to attract MORE illegals, because they're making a fortune on every single alien.
Nobody who makes a profit or encourages profits from warehousing aliens can be counted on as seriously wanting to fix the problem because the problem is their cash cow.

If the flow of illegals were to be turned off tomorrow, screams and howls from the private prison industry would be heard coast to coast.
In fact, you'd hear it if the flow were even slightly reduced. If anything, these companies want the flow INCREASED.
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Never mind - more blather than I choose to wade into. The "World According to Checkerboard Strangler" isn't a book I care to review.
 
slick said:
As I stated The USA become the greatest ECONOMIC & military power in the world overtaking Britain in the
early part of the 20th century, over 100 years ago far before the globalistic 'Age of Diversity' when the USA was 90% European white.

As for your comment "If diversity through immigration was bad for America, as you assert, we wouldn’t be the world leader that we are"

Doesn't this bombastic flourish of yours seem feeble & flawed when it's been established that we became the world leader in GDP when the
USA was one of the most monochromatic nations if not the most monochromatic nation in the entire western hemisphere.

Our nearly homogeneous society up until 50 years ago was able to create the greatest economic engine the world has ever seen & was essential
to reaching that envious status America has enjoyed for a century. Even someone with only a pedestrian awareness of US history wouldn't attempt
to connect our new found diversity to the history of our GDP successes.

The United States represented 28.69% of the world's economy in 1960 (highest point) how we have fallen since then
is astonishing. Eisenhower’s & Kennedy's America was a nation of 160 million with a European Christian core and a culture uniquely its own. The
USA was a country then. What will hold this country together if we don't control both legal & illegal immigration.
It will become a stew of 450 million of every creed culture & color from every country on earth.

It was a period when the USA was at the top of the world. '3/4 of all the cars driven in the world were driven on
USA roads. Pennsylvania still produced 45% of the steel produced in the entire world. America's ethnic mix was
88% European ethnics and 11% black.’

It looks like China has overtaken us in data from the IMF, China a totally monochromatic nation which when we were at our zenith
there were still images fat Europeans being pulled around by a bent over chinese local in rickshaws.

By average values of GDP (PPP)[edit]
The ten largest economies by average values of GDP (PPP[6]) by every half decade from the available data
in IMF and World Bank lists (in USD billions)[7][8][9][10][11]

List of countries by largest historical GDP - Wikipedia

2015
China 19,695.741
United States 18,036.650
India 8,003.405
Japan 5,118.682
Germany 3,860.114
Russia 3,759.692
Brazil 3,216.167
Indonesia 2,849.796 United Kingdom
United Kingdom 2,700.627
France 2,665.863
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You make a lot of claims that are partly true/correct, mostly untrue, personal opinion, and pure hyperbole. I’m not going to answer/debate each point you attempted to make because causes and effects are more complicated than you acknowledge. America has not lived in a bubble for the last century +, and neither have other countries.

What I will do is highlight your most significant errors.

- Describing America’s population in the early 20th century as “monochromatic” is disingenuous at best. While it is true that about 90% of the population was white, that 90% was made up of several different ethnicities/cultures. From late 19th century through early 20th century there was massive immigration from throughout Europe. Much of America was white, but had different backgrounds, language, religions, etc.. Not nearly as homogeneous as you purport.

- Those immigrants were integral to the industrial revolution that made America an international trade success.

- Many American immigrants have made tremendous contributions to their adopted homeland. World renown genius Albert Einstein, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, U.S. Army General and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Shalikashvili, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, Google CEO Sundar Pichai, Songwriter and Composer Irving Berlin, World famous inventor Nikola Tesla, Industrialist and philanthropist Andrew Carnegie, and many, many more. All proof that diversity brings strength.

For the last century plus, the diversity of our population has been integral to our success globally, financially, militarily, and diplomatically. Clearly homogeny isn’t the key to success.
 
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