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Criteria for not living here according to Trump supporters.

Lord Tammerlain said:
If you dont like the president you are anti american? If you question the presidents legitimacy you are anti american?
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If that is your limited ability to understand current events or you only have an interest in hating Trump then just roll with that.

If you have any interest in what is actually going on, most are up to date on the anti Semitic tropes and anti American claims made by the squad to include calling their own speaker a racist. Maybe thats what people are talking about when they say anti American. Just a guess.
 
Condor060 said:
If that is your limited ability to understand current events or you only have an interest in hating Trump then just roll with that.

If you have any interest in what is actually going on, most are up to date on the anti Semitic tropes and anti American claims made by the squad to include calling their own speaker a racist. Maybe thats what people are talking about when they say anti American. Just a guess.
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America is about freedom, even the freedom to criticize it, love it or leave it
 
Let's be honest, if this woman angrily demanded that the US conduct an inquiry into the bombing of a civilian migrant camp in Libya killing hundreds of civilians, or if she spoke up in favor of the Paycheck Fairness Act, or introduced a bill to get 'dirty money' out of politics, would Trump tell her that if she's not happy here in America to go back to where she came from? It's Sweden by the way...

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Would angry Republicans at a Trump rally shake their fists and chant "send her back" if she had introduced a bill in the House regarding the Terrorist Screening Database. The Terrorist Screening Database (TSBD) or the "terror watchlist" is currently being shared with multiple foreign governments, including countries with appalling human rights records. The standard for adding people to the list is very low, and the vast majority of people on the list have never been charged with any crime. Moreover, according to the sworn testimony of one FBI official, a foreign government’s human rights record is not considered as part of the decision to share information with them.

If you really want to know what bills Ilhan Omar has supported or fought against, perhaps it would make sense to actually read them. You'll find out she's not 'Satan from Somalia', she's a US Congresswoman trying to make this country even better. All her statements and opinions on bills are posted on ProPublica, which I can't link.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
If you dont like the president you are anti american? If you question the presidents legitimacy you are anti american?
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But isn't Trump anti-American? He lied about a medical condition to avoid fighting for his country in Vietnam. Then he insults Vietnam POWs by saying they're not heroes.

If that's not anti-American, what is?

It seems that you're trying to claim your political opponents are anti-American instead of debating actual policy issues. You want to turn this into a childish "who is more American" contest.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
America is about freedom, even the freedom to criticize it, love it or leave it
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As well as the freedom to call out people making anti American remarks and antisemitism remarks against Jews.
 
nota bene said:
Yes, I realize they're all citizens. And I have not said that I support stupid "Go homes." But I don't think this is about race; I think it's about perceived anti-Americanism (and again, I am not saying that I share this perception) and about the border situation.
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What "IT'S ABOUT is gruel for his supporters. Yes, he is trying to "SELL" the "PRECEPTION" of anti-Americanism and apply it to passionate ladies that want to make a difference in America FOR their Constituents. What Don Vito tRump is obfuscating the FACT that HIS ONLY Constituent is Don Vito tRump; HIS pocket book and HIS ego are ALL he cares about. Perception is all he has, his goal is to get AmeriCANs to "PRECIVE" his opponents badly in a way that makes HIM look good.

tRump is an empty Airbag Conman, like the tRump Balloon Baby, there's is little there besides hot air.
 
trixare4kids said:
I think it's more about the perception of pitting good vs. evil, meaning capitalism vs. radical socialism, Americanism vs. non-Americanism. It's a winning strategy to paint the squad as the new radical face of the Democratic Party. And by the looks of the polls, these four are not polling well in the swing states. Trump will keep up the anti-American noise machine with his base up until the election. He will get the results that are needed. The Democrats are not pro-America, are pro-illegal immigrant, are not pro-Israel, are against the very system that has given our economy a boost, capitalism. They want to undo everything the country has achieved over the last four years.


"White, non-college voters" who embraced Donald Trump in 2016 but are needed by Democrats in swing House districts" will stay with Trump.




Poll: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez defining Democrats among crucial 2020 swing voters - Axios
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Regardlss of Trump's motives, these personal attacks have no place in our political discourse. And let's not forget Trump has a long history of race baiting. We need only to look at the Central Park Five, to say nothing of his Birther Movement. And even if we gave Trump the benefit of the doubt to his motives, he is stoking the flames of racism with those supporters of his that are racist.

So no, I do not support or accept what he's doing at all. And I do not believe anyone else should support it, either.
 
Irwin Corey said:
What "IT'S ABOUT is gruel for his supporters. Yes, he is trying to "SELL" the "PRECEPTION" of anti-Americanism and apply it to passionate ladies that want to make a difference in America FOR their Constituents. What Don Vito tRump is obfuscating the FACT that HIS ONLY Constituent is Don Vito tRump; HIS pocket book and HIS ego are ALL he cares about. Perception is all he has, his goal is to get AmeriCANs to "PRECIVE" his opponents badly in a way that makes HIM look good.

tRump is an empty Airbag Conman, like the tRump Balloon Baby, there's is little there besides hot air.
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Hear! Hear! Say it, my brother! :thumbs:

It's the ultimate (Don the) con ...
 
nota bene said:
I don't think it's about race. I think it's about anti-Americanism and those who try to enter this country illegally.
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It's difficult to see it about anything other than race, hypocrisy, and short-term political gain.

Trump was born in the US; his father was born in the US; his mother was born in Scotland. His own American roots don't go very deep. He also made a career about attacking and denigrating the US, and complaining about government policies he doesn't like.

As noted, three of the four women in "The Squad" were born in the US. Ayanna Pressley's family has been in the US for generations. AOC's father was born in the US, and her mother in Puerto Rico (which means she's a natural born American citizen). Rashida Tlaib was born in Detroit. It is only Omar who is a naturalized citizen.

He hasn't used this kind of attack on any whites, such as Nancy Pelosi (1st generation born in US from her family), Bernie Sanders (1st gen), Joe Biden (2nd Gen) etc.

And of course, it's not like this is coming out of the blue. Trump has a long history of racist actions and statements.

As hinted above, the hypocrisy is not just about how so many of the nativists in political positions/office are descendants of refugees, chain migrants, illegal immigrants, economic migrants, immigrated during a period of open borders, and so on. It's that conservatives routinely criticize and attack the US, yet state that anyone of any other political view (centrists, leftists etc) who does the same must "hate America" -- even though almost all domestic terrorism now is right-wing, and violence on the extreme right is growing.

And of course, the political angle is absurdly transparent. Trump saw that "The Squad" and Democrats were getting lots of press over policy disputes. Since he can't stand for anyone else to be in the spotlight, he jumped into the fray in order to monopolize the attention and whip up his base.

Apparently it doesn't matter that these kinds of tactics backfired in the 2018 elections; or that in the long run this can only hurt conservatism and the Republican party, which will be tarred with this kind of anti-minority sentiment for decades. As a reminder, the non-white population is growing, especially in "Red" states like Texas and Georgia, and swing states like Florida. Smooth move, Ferguson...
 
Chomsky said:
Regardlss of Trump's motives, these personal attacks have no place in our political discourse. And let's not forget Trump has a long history of race baiting. We need only to look at the Central Park Five, to say nothing of his Birther Movement. And even if we gave Trump the benefit of the doubt to his motives, he is stoking the flames of racism with those supporters of his that are racist.

So no, I do not support or accept what he's doing at all. And I do not believe anyone else should support it, either.
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I agree that they don't belong in our political discourse.
It takes two, both sides to stop with the personal attacks, but what's the point if stopping the rhetoric only goes one way? The Democrats, the Trump haters aren't going to stop playing their games.

I think the left is stoking the fires of racism just to go after the president. The use of identity politics is their bread and butter, (it's all they have) and they must remember Trump will turn it back on them when he points out that the toxic squad is now the new face of the Democratic Party. The same people defending Ilhan say nothing about her anti-America toxicity motivated by antisemitism. They don't get to say everything they want, Chomsky without severe repercussion. Their views are not above reproach and criticism by the POTUS. They just aren't!

Calling the president of the U.S Hitler and his ICE agents gestapo, and saying Trump policies are rooted in white supremacy is not going to get this president not to fight back and capitalize on their constant divisive gaffes.
 
nota bene said:
I don't think it's about race. I think it's about anti-Americanism and those who try to enter this country illegally.
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You would say that. The most I've seen anyone on the right (whatever the stated lean) say is that the comments were "stupid". After all, if you admit Trump actually said a racist thing - any right winger for that matter, other than an open KKK/nazi/Supremacist - and you undermine conservatism's overall goal of eliminating discussion of potentially racist things associated with some person, thing, or statement on its perceived side.

Those of us looking at it honestly know that "go back to your country" is just about as much old-school racism as "n*****"; and would you believe it, I've seen plenty of right wingers express displeasure that rappers can say the variant ending in A, as if this is somehow victimization at the hands of PC liberals.




Now, does it mean I think everyone on the right is racist? No. There may be intellectually dishonest but nonetheless purely political goals for denying that every last potentially racist thing on the the right is racist. For example, the desire to elect a candidate who will appoint judges seen as conservative.

That said, I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to care about the distinction between denying a racist thing is racist for some perceived non-racist purpose....and straight-up racism.




Ah well, the GOP and its supporters at least put their hearts in the history books on this one. There is no wiggle room what soever about whether saying "go back to your country" to a brown person is racist. It is, always was. But play your word games.
 
MrWonka said:
Just want to make sure I got this straight.

If you're a brown citizen of the United States and you're not happy with your government then you need to leave and go back to where you came from. But if you're a brown person who is unhappy with their current government and actually does want to come here to escape it you can't. You have to stay in your home country and fix it.

Sure seems like the common denominator here is a hatred of brown people not a love of America.
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Sounds like nothing but race baiting to me. What does being brown have to do with anything? Or are you saying its wrong to hold someone accountable just because they are brown?
 
Irwin Corey said:
What "IT'S ABOUT is gruel for his supporters. Yes, he is trying to "SELL" the "PRECEPTION" of anti-Americanism and apply it to passionate ladies that want to make a difference in America FOR their Constituents. What Don Vito tRump is obfuscating the FACT that HIS ONLY Constituent is Don Vito tRump; HIS pocket book and HIS ego are ALL he cares about. Perception is all he has, his goal is to get AmeriCANs to "PRECIVE" his opponents badly in a way that makes HIM look good.

tRump is an empty Airbag Conman, like the tRump Balloon Baby, there's is little there besides hot air.
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Don't be so naive.
All presidents and presidential contenders do exactly what you have described above.
 
Condor060 said:
Sounds like nothing but race baiting to me. What does being brown have to do with anything? Or are you saying its wrong to hold someone accountable just because they are brown?
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Trump resistors are playing right into Trump's hand.

The more they defend the Anti-America, toxic squad's far leftist politics being the new face of the Democratic Party, the more Trump wins.
 
trixare4kids said:
Trump resistors are playing right into Trump's hand.

The more they defend the Anti-America, toxic squad's far leftist politics being the new face of the Democratic Party, the more Trump wins.
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The best part is, they continue with the same strategy that got Trump elected and are just to dumb to know it. Only in America baby
 
trixare4kids said:
Don't be so naive.
All presidents and presidential contenders do exactly what you have described above.
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Who's being naïve? "ALL" presidents and presidential contenders do NOT beat down their opponent to make themselves look big. BUT! Even if they did, "PERCEPTION" isn't ALL they amount to, and "PERCEPTION" is in FACT all their is to tRump. He says and does the most un-Presidential **** because it's red meat for his supporters, not because it's his core (he has no core beyond narcissism), not because he believes it's right (he has no concept of right or wrong) not because it's good for America (tRump's good is what is good for him.<--Period).

His ONLY guide is what polls well amongst his followers, that is the driving force for tRumps campaign. What damage it does to people or this country is of NO concern to him.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
But isn't Trump anti-American? He lied about a medical condition to avoid fighting for his country in Vietnam. Then he insults Vietnam POWs by saying they're not heroes.

If that's not anti-American, what is?

It seems that you're trying to claim your political opponents are anti-American instead of debating actual policy issues. You want to turn this into a childish "who is more American" contest.
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His republican Senate has been dragging their feet on the funding bill for the 9/11 responders. Rand Paul is being trashed today for being one of those that are blocking it. See, they're devious and calculating, when it comes to being 'a good American'. They're all good Americans when it's a bill giving wealthy people a hefty non-expiring tax break, but not so good when it comes to funding a health plan for 9/11 responders who have become gravely fatally ill as a result of that terrorist attack.
 
Chomsky said:
Regardlss of Trump's motives, these personal attacks have no place in our political discourse. And let's not forget Trump has a long history of race baiting. We need only to look at the Central Park Five, to say nothing of his Birther Movement. And even if we gave Trump the benefit of the doubt to his motives, he is stoking the flames of racism with those supporters of his that are racist.

So no, I do not support or accept what he's doing at all. And I do not believe anyone else should support it, either.
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That's the key, IMO, and why POTUS doing it is so unconscionable.
 
Condor060 said:
The best part is, they continue with the same strategy that got Trump elected and are just to dumb to know it. Only in America baby
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They are as clueless as ever. Dumber than dirt. They make it hard for the swing voter/Independents to come back to their side.
 
Irwin Corey said:
Who's being naïve? "ALL" presidents and presidential contenders do NOT beat down their opponent to make themselves look big. BUT! Even if they did, "PERCEPTION" isn't ALL they amount to, and "PERCEPTION" is in FACT all their is to tRump. He says and does the most un-Presidential **** because it's red meat for his supporters, not because it's his core (he has no core beyond narcissism), not because he believes it's right (he has no concept of right or wrong) not because it's good for America (tRump's good is what is good for him.<--Period).

His ONLY guide is what polls well amongst his followers, that is the driving force for tRumps campaign. What damage it does to people or this country is of NO concern to him.
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You are so wrong, but I'll let you continue to believe your anti-Trump talking points will stop Trump being reelected. The left is content with playing right into Trump's hand again. He set the Democrats up because he knew the Democratic party would come out in defense of the loony left squad.
Trump's winning economy is not UNAMERICAN. These four women are....
 
Sabre said:
WOW, flashback..... those charges were exactly what was said of those who were opposed to Obama.
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I opposed Obama, and nobody once ever accused me of being anti-America for it. On this board or anywhere else.
 
Chomsky said:
Whatever it is, we don't tell our fellow Americans to "go home to where you came from". Nor do we allow the government to say it. And yes, the pejorative "go home" only applies to new arrivals. It's not said to to Sydney Biddle Barrows of the world. So I don't buy your defense, here.
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Hey! I remember Sydney. The Mayflower Madam.
 
trixare4kids said:
You are so wrong, but I'll let you continue to believe your anti-Trump talking points will stop Trump being reelected. The left is content with playing right into Trump's hand again. He set the Democrats up because he knew the Democratic party would come out in defense of the loony left squad.
Trump's winning economy is not UNAMERICAN. These four women are....
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I believe in America, it's Constitution and that, in the long run, "Goodness" will prevail.

tRump is morally as bankrupt as his casino's, as devoid of substance as his failed "university, steaks, wine and airline". You can get blood out of a turnip any more than good can come form a corrupt Con-Conman … Don Vito tRump.
 
Irwin Corey said:
I believe in America, it's Constitution and that, in the long run, "Goodness" will prevail.

tRump is morally as bankrupt as his casino's, as devoid of substance as his failed "university, steaks, wine and airline". You can get blood out of a turnip any more than good can come form a corrupt Con-Conman … Don Vito tRump.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, heard it all before...but Trump also is the duly elected POTUS, a fact you continue to degrade.
 
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