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Caveat: I saw someone link this elsewhere. I have no idea if the source itself is generally good, BUT they link to purported scans of the actual court documents for the case, which is out of California's Central District (federal trial court), and the docket number is stamped right on there. ED CV16-00797, which means that if you have ECF you can download it and there may even be a way to request a copy directly from the relevant clerk's office to verify. Here goes: the real reason Trump and Epstein had a falling out, per the court filings in a suit against Trump and Epstein.
Now an uncovered court filing from 2016 in which rape victim Katie Johnson brought up actions against both Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, has revealed what could be the true reason for Trump’s “falling out” with his long-time friend, and it is even more disgusting than you could have even imagined. Page four of the document outlines Johnson’s description of a fight she witnessed between her two assaulters:
“Shortly after this sexual assault by the Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, on the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, Plaintiff Johnson was still present while the two Defendants were arguing over who would be the one to take Plaintiff Johnson’s virginity. The Defendant, Donald J. Trump, was clearly heard referring to Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, as a ‘Jew Bastard’ as he yelled at Defendant Epstein that clearly, he, Defendant Trump, should be the lucky one to ‘pop the cherry’ of Plaintiff Johnson.”
Uncovered Court Filing By Underage Victim Reveals Disgusting Reason For "Falling Out" Between Trump And Epstein * DC Tribune
Now, let's get a few things out of the way. If you are a DP conservative - except for one of a shrinking number - it is going to be imperative that if you post in this thread you do at least two things lest you be ex-communicated:
1. Noticing that one of the defendants is a POTUS who has spent a few years pretending to be conservative so that you would vote for him, you will necessarily have to claim that this is a "hoax" perpetrated by "liberals" (possibly Obama).
2. Whattabout to an instance where a "liberal" was accused of sexual assault.
3. Play The Hypocrisy Game by demanding to know how many threads I have started about liberals accused of sexual assault, thereby trying to throw a wrench in the works.
I've saved you the time. Don't bother. The only real way to dispute this is to note that this comes from a civil complaint, meaning it is the plaintiff's allegations. But that's less of a dispute and more of a "let's wait and see."
However, this filing is from 2016. Discovery may have been produced in the case (I actually am weirdly blanking on the mechanics of civil suits against sitting presidents, embarrassingly enough). Remember that it is highly unlikely that there is hard physical evidence like a video or eye witnesses. After all, a savvy sexual predator knows how to avoid leaving evidence other than the victim's word. Depending on how you play that and just how far you try to take it, that may be a valid reason to doubt.
But it cannot be an all-around basis to treat accusations as hoaxes; at a trial, the jury can judge a witness's/victim's credibility. A single witness's testimony can be proof beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case - I've had those clients - and so the fact that this is likely he-said/she-said is no reason to ignore it. Well, not an honest reason.
Oh right: and also bear in mind.... a ton of people have accused Trump over many years. He's bragged about sex assault. He's bragged about walking in on minors in the ****ing changing room of his pageants because he could get away with it. And before you say that's just character assassination or claim it wouldn't be admissible because it is character evidence, an awful lot of uncharged conduct comes in in sex cases to prove things like "course of conduct" and the like. If it comes in that way in criminal cases, we certainly can rely on it in forming an opinion as a voter on a political board.
We can wait and see what comes out. But think back to your reaction to, say, Franken. The picture was of him pretending to touch someone's breasts. Look at the shadows. The completed sexual assault allegations were he said-she said. So before he apologized and stepped down, ask yourself whether you honestly said "yeah that's a conservative hoax to hurt a Democrat"
tl;dr
More nasty accusations against Trump. Don't be a hack.
Now an uncovered court filing from 2016 in which rape victim Katie Johnson brought up actions against both Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, has revealed what could be the true reason for Trump’s “falling out” with his long-time friend, and it is even more disgusting than you could have even imagined. Page four of the document outlines Johnson’s description of a fight she witnessed between her two assaulters:
“Shortly after this sexual assault by the Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, on the Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, Plaintiff Johnson was still present while the two Defendants were arguing over who would be the one to take Plaintiff Johnson’s virginity. The Defendant, Donald J. Trump, was clearly heard referring to Defendant, Jeffrey E. Epstein, as a ‘Jew Bastard’ as he yelled at Defendant Epstein that clearly, he, Defendant Trump, should be the lucky one to ‘pop the cherry’ of Plaintiff Johnson.”
Uncovered Court Filing By Underage Victim Reveals Disgusting Reason For "Falling Out" Between Trump And Epstein * DC Tribune
Now, let's get a few things out of the way. If you are a DP conservative - except for one of a shrinking number - it is going to be imperative that if you post in this thread you do at least two things lest you be ex-communicated:
1. Noticing that one of the defendants is a POTUS who has spent a few years pretending to be conservative so that you would vote for him, you will necessarily have to claim that this is a "hoax" perpetrated by "liberals" (possibly Obama).
2. Whattabout to an instance where a "liberal" was accused of sexual assault.
3. Play The Hypocrisy Game by demanding to know how many threads I have started about liberals accused of sexual assault, thereby trying to throw a wrench in the works.
I've saved you the time. Don't bother. The only real way to dispute this is to note that this comes from a civil complaint, meaning it is the plaintiff's allegations. But that's less of a dispute and more of a "let's wait and see."
However, this filing is from 2016. Discovery may have been produced in the case (I actually am weirdly blanking on the mechanics of civil suits against sitting presidents, embarrassingly enough). Remember that it is highly unlikely that there is hard physical evidence like a video or eye witnesses. After all, a savvy sexual predator knows how to avoid leaving evidence other than the victim's word. Depending on how you play that and just how far you try to take it, that may be a valid reason to doubt.
But it cannot be an all-around basis to treat accusations as hoaxes; at a trial, the jury can judge a witness's/victim's credibility. A single witness's testimony can be proof beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case - I've had those clients - and so the fact that this is likely he-said/she-said is no reason to ignore it. Well, not an honest reason.
Oh right: and also bear in mind.... a ton of people have accused Trump over many years. He's bragged about sex assault. He's bragged about walking in on minors in the ****ing changing room of his pageants because he could get away with it. And before you say that's just character assassination or claim it wouldn't be admissible because it is character evidence, an awful lot of uncharged conduct comes in in sex cases to prove things like "course of conduct" and the like. If it comes in that way in criminal cases, we certainly can rely on it in forming an opinion as a voter on a political board.
We can wait and see what comes out. But think back to your reaction to, say, Franken. The picture was of him pretending to touch someone's breasts. Look at the shadows. The completed sexual assault allegations were he said-she said. So before he apologized and stepped down, ask yourself whether you honestly said "yeah that's a conservative hoax to hurt a Democrat"
tl;dr
More nasty accusations against Trump. Don't be a hack.
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