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Are Democrats Anti-Semitic?

SonOfDaedalus

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This is the new conservative pundit talking point. According to them Omar is anti-Semitic and Democrats are too because they defend her.

There are 36 Jewish members of Congress. Only 2 of them are Republican and 1 is Independent (Bernie Sanders). But we're supposed to believe that the Democrats are anti-Semitic?

And this comes from the same people who elected a man who proposed a ban on Muslim immigration and retweets Muslim hate Tweets.
 
I’m sure some are, but I don’t think it’s the majority.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
This is the new conservative pundit talking point. According to them Omar is anti-Semitic and Democrats are too because they defend her.

There are 36 Jewish members of Congress. Only 2 of them are Republican and 1 is Independent (Bernie Sanders). But we're supposed to believe that the Democrats are anti-Semitic?

And this comes from the same people who elected a man who proposed a ban on Muslim immigration and retweets Muslim hate Tweets.
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I would argue that some, such as Ilhan Omar, are functionally antisemitic, and may very well be a dyed-in-the-wool Jew-hater. The vast majority of Congressional Democrats are not, but they will nonetheless carry water for those who are. Unless and until Ilhan Omar says something so openly and undeniably indicative of a personal visceral hatred of Jews, like something along the lines of "Yes, God Damn it, I f***ing hate those dirty, money-grubbing Jew...I mean Zionists! Yes, the Zionists, heheh. Ooooh, my is it getting warm in here or what?" I think Democrats will continue to defend her. But even then, I could foresee her still having a cohort of defenders claiming it was merely a slip of the tongue and she was just overworked and she simply did not know what she was saying, etc.

Does such defense make them antisemitic themselves? No, because I think a lot of them either pretend it away, minimize it, or just believe that they just need to grit their teeth and bear it because they are fighting against a far greater evil and sometimes necessary political concessions with abhorrent people need to be made. Biden had to deal with segregationist Democrats. Pelosi has to deal with anti-Semites.

That is where we are in our present state of politics, where the name of the game is "Circle the Wagons."
 
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Felis Leo said:
I would argue that some, such as Ilhan Omar, are functionally antisemitic. The vast majority of Congressional Democrats are not, but they will nonetheless carry water for those who are. Unless and until Ilhan Omar says something so openly and undeniably indicative of a personal visceral hatred of Jews, like something along the lines of "Yes, God Damn it, I f***ing hate those dirty, money-grubbing Jew...I mean Zionists! Yes, the Zionists, heheh. Ooooh, my is it getting warm in here or what?" I think Democrats will continue to defend her. But even then, I could foresee her still having a cohort of defenders claiming it was merely a slip of the tongue and she was just overworked and she simply did not know what she was saying, etc.
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Why that all sounds like legit criticism of Israel.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
This is the new conservative pundit talking point. According to them Omar is anti-Semitic and Democrats are too because they defend her.

There are 36 Jewish members of Congress. Only 2 of them are Republican and 1 is Independent (Bernie Sanders). But we're supposed to believe that the Democrats are anti-Semitic?

And this comes from the same people who elected a man who proposed a ban on Muslim immigration and retweets Muslim hate Tweets.
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The same people accusing Omar of anti-semitism seem to be the same people that defended the tiki torch brigade and chanted "Jews will not replace us". But Trump said he was sure they were very fine people.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
This is the new conservative pundit talking point. According to them Omar is anti-Semitic and Democrats are too because they defend her.

There are 36 Jewish members of Congress. Only 2 of them are Republican and 1 is Independent (Bernie Sanders). But we're supposed to believe that the Democrats are anti-Semitic?

And this comes from the same people who elected a man who proposed a ban on Muslim immigration and retweets Muslim hate Tweets.
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Personally, I don't think Rep. Omar did anything anti-Semitic, and I was upset with other Democrats that tried to censure her for it, but at least they stopped when they realized public opinion was not on their side.

I'm aware that Republicans used this to add another bull**** narrative to their ****storm of lies.
 
Felis Leo said:
I would argue that some, such as Ilhan Omar, are functionally antisemitic, and may very well be a dyed-in-the-wool Jew-hater.
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Just because you think Israel's policies are oppressive doesn't mean you're anti-Semitic. There are plenty of Jews living in Israel who also don't like Israel's policies. Are they anti-Semitic?

Edit: Also, isn't it hypocritical to support a president who proposed a Muslim ban then complain that someone is anti-Semitic? I don't remember Omar suggesting a Jewish immigration ban.
 
As said a million times, criticizing Israel is not the same as criticizing jewish people. Criticizing Israel is not anti-semetic. That's what people that can't defend Israels abhorrent actions as a country have to deflect to

Israel is a country
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
This is the new conservative pundit talking point. According to them Omar is anti-Semitic and Democrats are too because they defend her.

There are 36 Jewish members of Congress. Only 2 of them are Republican and 1 is Independent (Bernie Sanders). But we're supposed to believe that the Democrats are anti-Semitic?

And this comes from the same people who elected a man who proposed a ban on Muslim immigration and retweets Muslim hate Tweets.
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I mean 30+ members of the democratic caucus are white caucasians who desire victim status. They’re not “Jews” in that they do not practice Judaism in any meaningful way. That would be like insisting the democrats are not anti-Catholic because fake Catholics like Pelosi and Biden who are in apostasy are in the Democratic Party.

Orthodox Jews are overwhelmingly republican
 
Felis Leo said:
I would argue that some, such as Ilhan Omar, are functionally antisemitic, and may very well be a dyed-in-the-wool Jew-hater. The vast majority of Congressional Democrats are not, but they will nonetheless carry water for those who are. Unless and until Ilhan Omar says something so openly and undeniably indicative of a personal visceral hatred of Jews, like something along the lines of "Yes, God Damn it, I f***ing hate those dirty, money-grubbing Jew...I mean Zionists! Yes, the Zionists, heheh. Ooooh, my is it getting warm in here or what?" I think Democrats will continue to defend her. But even then, I could foresee her still having a cohort of defenders claiming it was merely a slip of the tongue and she was just overworked and she simply did not know what she was saying, etc.

Does such defense make them antisemitic themselves? No, because I think a lot of them either pretend it away, minimize it, or just believe that they just need to grit their teeth and bear it because they are fighting against a far greater evil and sometimes necessary political concessions with abhorrent people need to be made. Biden had to deal with segregationist Democrats. Pelosi has to deal with anti-Semites.

That is where we are in our present state of politics, where the name of the game is "Circle the Wagons."
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"Zionist" is actually a talking point word from the right.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
As said a million times, criticizing Israel is not the same as criticizing jewish people. Criticizing Israel is not anti-semetic. That's what people that can't defend Israels abhorrent actions as a country have to deflect to

Israel is a country
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Yes it is. Criticism of Israel IS anti Semitic because liberals who criticize Israel as the world’s only Jewish state are critical of the very policies that are essential to maintaining her Jewish majority and never offer criticism of other countries based on those principles.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Just because you think Israel's policies are oppressive doesn't mean you're anti-Semitic. There are plenty of Jews living in Israel who also don't like Israel's policies. Are they anti-Semitic?

Edit: Also, isn't it hypocritical to support a president who proposed a Muslim ban then complain that someone is anti-Semitic? I don't remember Omar suggesting a Jewish immigration ban.
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Being critical of Israel's policies does not necessarily make one antisemitic, SonOfDaedalus. Being critical of Israel's policies while not holding any other country to that same critical standard in my opinion does make one antisemitic. And, certainly, claiming or intimating that the only reason anybody cares about Israel is because Jews bribed congresspeople to promote this view, or that Jews promote dual loyalty is character assassination using antisemitic canards. Specifically that Jews use their financial influence to manipulate politicians and that Jews are only truly loyal to their ethnic/religious tribe and not to the countries of their birth.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Just because you think Israel's policies are oppressive doesn't mean you're anti-Semitic. There are plenty of Jews living in Israel who also don't like Israel's policies. Are they anti-Semitic?

Edit: Also, isn't it hypocritical to support a president who proposed a Muslim ban then complain that someone is anti-Semitic? I don't remember Omar suggesting a Jewish immigration ban.
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In other words, you consider being a majority Jewish state to be oppressive, thus you are anti-Semitic. The fact that a small minority of Jews inside Israel are extreme leftists does not change that
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
This is the new conservative pundit talking point. According to them Omar is anti-Semitic and Democrats are too because they defend her.

There are 36 Jewish members of Congress. Only 2 of them are Republican and 1 is Independent (Bernie Sanders). But we're supposed to believe that the Democrats are anti-Semitic?

And this comes from the same people who elected a man who proposed a ban on Muslim immigration and retweets Muslim hate Tweets.
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There are anti-semites in both parties. However in the GOP they are a fringe group. There are some major democratic leaders throwing out some awfully bad remarks towards Israel and the Jewish people.
 
AProudLefty said:
"Zionist" is actually a talking point word from the right.
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Not in my experience. I actually sat down next to a far-left Jew hating professor from California State University of Fresno named Randa Jarrar at a Halloween party who kept using the word "Zionist" as a place-holder for "Jew." Strange thing is that she just started talking about Zionists and Israel out of the blue without one iota of prompting.
 
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SonOfDaedalus said:
This is the new conservative pundit talking point. According to them Omar is anti-Semitic and Democrats are too because they defend her.

There are 36 Jewish members of Congress. Only 2 of them are Republican and 1 is Independent (Bernie Sanders). But we're supposed to believe that the Democrats are anti-Semitic?

And this comes from the same people who elected a man who proposed a ban on Muslim immigration and retweets Muslim hate Tweets.
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She’s a Muslim who was born in a Muslim country and repeats every traditional anti-Semitic trope from controlling politics with cashola and insisting American Jews have dual loyalty. I don’t think saying she has problem with das Judan is much of a stretch.

I’m sure she gets along fine with atheist Jews who are liberals, that’s not a defense to her outward expressions of anti-demotion
 
Omar may or may not be anti-Semitic, but she hasn't demonstrated any anti-Semitism that I'm aware of.

As far as "Democrats" go, they may or may not be - who knows?

There is certainly an enormous amount of Islamophobic anti-Semitism expressed on the Republican side.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
This is the new conservative pundit talking point. According to them Omar is anti-Semitic and Democrats are too because they defend her.

There are 36 Jewish members of Congress. Only 2 of them are Republican and 1 is Independent (Bernie Sanders). But we're supposed to believe that the Democrats are anti-Semitic?

And this comes from the same people who elected a man who proposed a ban on Muslim immigration and retweets Muslim hate Tweets.
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Well if you judge them the way the left judges Trump and republicans and supporters, then yeah.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Omar may or may not be anti-Semitic, but she hasn't demonstrated any anti-Semitism that I'm aware of.

As far as "Democrats" go, they may or may not be - who knows?

There is certainly an enormous amount of Islamophobic anti-Semitism expressed on the Republican side.
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Trump is a racist but this POS is not an anti-Semite? I guess Joos being such a small minority is easy politically to s*** on from progressive POV.
 
Felis Leo said:
Being critical of Israel's policies does not necessarily make one antisemitic, SonOfDaedalus. Being critical of Israel's policies while not holding any other country to that same critical standard in my opinion does make one antisemitic.
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Where is your evidence that she's not critical of any other nation? According to Trump, she's critical of America. Isn't it possible that because she's Muslim the plight of Palestinian is simply closer to her heart than the plight of North Koreans?

Felis Leo said:
And, certainly, claiming or intimating that the only reason anybody cares about Israel is because Jews bribed congresspeople to promote this view, or that Jews promote dual loyalty is character assassination using antisemitic canards. Specifically that Jews use their financial influence to manipulate politicians and that Jews are only truly loyal to their ethnic/religious tribe and not to the countries of their birth.
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Where does she say "the only reason"? And don't pro-Israel groups donate to candidates?

AIPAC is a significant player in terms of lobbying, accounting for the vast majority of lobbying spending by pro-Israel groups, spending more than $3.5 million in 2018. The organization was staunchly opposed to the Iran Nuclear Deal in 2015, lobbied extensively against it and supported the Trump administration’s withdrawal from the agreement.

Other pro-Israel groups are also prominent and active political spending forces each cycle. The 2018 midterms saw groups in the movement contribute more than $14.8 million, the highest total for them in a midterm since 1990. Contributions went predominantly towards Democrats who received 63 percent. Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) received by far the most money from pro-Israel groups in 2018 with $546,507. In comparison, McCarthy received just $33,200 from pro-Israel groups in the midterms.

In all, 269 members of the House and 57 members of the Senate received some monetary contributions from pro-Israel interests in 2018.
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AIPAC doesn’t contribute directly to candidates. Which pro-Israel groups do?

But you haven't answered my question: Isn't it hypocritical to support a president who proposed a Muslim ban?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
This is the new conservative pundit talking point. According to them Omar is anti-Semitic and Democrats are too because they defend her.

There are 36 Jewish members of Congress. Only 2 of them are Republican and 1 is Independent (Bernie Sanders). But we're supposed to believe that the Democrats are anti-Semitic?

And this comes from the same people who elected a man who proposed a ban on Muslim immigration and retweets Muslim hate Tweets.
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And they're not just "members" of Congress, but lead a bunch of committees in Congress.

DWS - Former head of the DNC
Schiff - Chair Intelligence
Jerrold Nadler- Chair Judiciary Committee;
Eliot Engel - Chair Foreign Affairs;
Nita Lowey - Chair Appropriations.
John Yarmuth - Chair Budget Committee.
Ted Deutch - Chair Ethics

In 2016, the Jewish vote went 71/24 Clinton/Bush

https://jstreet.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/J-Street-Election-Night-Survey-Analysis-110916.pdf

The Jewish connection to the Democratic Party and their opposition to the
Republican Party run deep. A majority of Jews (62 percent) voted in the
Democratic presidential primary, they voted 70 to 29 percent Democratic for
Congress, and they hold a 50 percent favorable/34 percent unfavorable view of
the Democratic Party. Only 18 percent voted in the Republican presidential
primary, and they hold very negative views toward the Republican Party (17
percent favorable/65 percent unfavorable) and Donald Trump (18 percent
favorable/72 percent unfavorable).
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Bottom line is the idea that the Democratic party is anti-Semitic is gaslighting turned up to 11.
 
Felis Leo said:
Not in my experience. I actually sat down next to a far-left Jew hating professor from California State University of Fresno named Randa Jarrar at a Halloween party who kept using the word "Zionist" as a place-holder for "Jew." Strange thing is that she just started talking about Zionists and Israel out of the blue without one iota of prompting.
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If she's "far left" then she's in the minority. Conspiracy theory is usually the right's forte. Trump himself believe in conspiracy theories.
 
Felis Leo said:
I would argue that some, such as Ilhan Omar, are functionally antisemitic, and may very well be a dyed-in-the-wool Jew-hater. The vast majority of Congressional Democrats are not, but they will nonetheless carry water for those who are. Unless and until Ilhan Omar says something so openly and undeniably indicative of a personal visceral hatred of Jews, like something along the lines of "Yes, God Damn it, I f***ing hate those dirty, money-grubbing Jew...I mean Zionists! Yes, the Zionists, heheh. Ooooh, my is it getting warm in here or what?" I think Democrats will continue to defend her. But even then, I could foresee her still having a cohort of defenders claiming it was merely a slip of the tongue and she was just overworked and she simply did not know what she was saying, etc.

Does such defense make them antisemitic themselves? No, because I think a lot of them either pretend it away, minimize it, or just believe that they just need to grit their teeth and bear it because they are fighting against a far greater evil and sometimes necessary political concessions with abhorrent people need to be made. Biden had to deal with segregationist Democrats. Pelosi has to deal with anti-Semites.

That is where we are in our present state of politics, where the name of the game is "Circle the Wagons."
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Oh look, yet another right winger who thinks Jews are a hive mind that you can just conflate with the country of Israel, but still somehow thinks he's not the antisemitic one.
 
Felis Leo said:
Being critical of Israel's policies does not necessarily make one antisemitic, SonOfDaedalus. Being critical of Israel's policies while not holding any other country to that same critical standard in my opinion does make one antisemitic.
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So she has to criticize other countries in order not to be seen as anti-Semitic? :thinking
 
Anyone who criticizes Saudi Arabia in any way is antiIslamic and may be a "dyed in the wool muslim hater."

I write this and realize that half the right wingers on this ****in message board will just nod their heads and say "of course I hate muslims."
 
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