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The First Rule of Racism...

ecofarm said:
It's beyond idiotic for you to transpose your moronic definition upon me and then judge me by it.

Absolutely pathetic stupid racist BS.
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He's not alone in being judgmental. Plus, he's a lot more polite.
 
Jay59 said:
You did notice the word confined, right? So, not a concentration camp. QED.
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You notice the word "detained", right? As in detention camps the rightists refer to.
 
uptower said:
A proficient gaslighter would be more subtle, but Trump has got everyone convince all one need do is repeat the same garbage to be convincing.
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I gather you claim to be a proficient gaslighter. Plenty of practice, right?

ecofarm said:
That's very white of you.
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And you are a proficient racist. Take a bow.
 
Jay59 said:
And you are a proficient racist. Take a bow.
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Can't take any criticism of racism without calling someone a racist?
 
AProudLefty said:
You notice the word "detained", right? As in detention camps the rightists refer to.
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You prove my point, since these people are not detained. They are allowed to leave.
 
JackA said:
...is to deny you’re a racist. You are then set up if you are Caucasian to tell American citizens of color to go back to the countries they came from. The fact that the citizens you insult came from the same country you do does not spoil your racist message at all. Your racist supporters understand perfectly.

But imagine how telling someone to go back to the country they came from would go over if the statement was from a black American to a white American. See, it only works one way. That’s because it is a white racist trope.
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Denial is all they have.

Trump supporters on this forum regularly deny:

1. the Birther Movement was racist. Apparently Trump has accused all sorts of POTUS of being Kenyans.

2. Trump didn't publicly defend Neo Nazis and KKK, saying some are "very fine people". Apparently all those national community and business leaders who resigned from prestigious and influential presidential committees in protest, quit because of giant conspiracy organized by....The Lizard People!

3. Trump uses racism to energize his base. Apparently Trump virtually always attacking brown skinned people is just a fluke. It could just as easily be white skinned people, but hey, it just didn't work out that way.


Trump is a blatant racist. Everyone knows it. That is undeniable imo. It seems that those who support him are either racists themselves, or they are willing to support racism for political expediency. What are some other options?
 
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ecofarm said:
Arcane? How idiotic. It's the definition in the dictionary. It's the definition in all of the academic world.

Racism is more than racial bigotry. Racism is a social construct. Racial bigotry is an individual act. Anyone can be guilty of racial bigotry. Only the majority power can be guilty of racism.

That does not mean I "support racism" "against white people". That's a horrendously moronic and certainly uneducated mischaracterization.
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What is the point in bringing this up here? Do you see some moral distinction between racial bigotry and racism?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I've seen plenty of interviews with White Separatists. They don't believe themselves to be racists. Most racists don't believe they are racist. So, I believe it's a waste of time to argue about whether or not someone is a racist. It's best to expose the wrongness of their idea.

The idea that a naturalized American citizen from a poor country needs to go back and fix their country first is wrong. It's just an attempt to insult someone's country of origin and them. It divides Americans based on where they are from. That makes it wrong. Do you agree or do you think Melania should go back to Slovenia and implement "Be Best" there?
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It waa a stupid thing for Trump to say.
 
veritas1 said:
What is the point in bringing this up here? Do you see some moral distinction between racial bigotry and racism?
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You asked. I answered. You accused me of supporting "racism against white people". I gave you a brief education in the flaws of that moronic mischaracterization. You're welcome.
 
JustHanging said:
Denial is all they have.

Trump supporters on this forum regularly deny:

1. the Birther Movement was racist. Apparently Trump has accused all sorts of POTUS of being Kenyans.

2. Trump didn't publicly defend Neo Nazis and KKK, saying some are "very fine people". Apparently all those national community and business leaders who resigned from prestigious and influential presidential committees in protest, quit because of giant conspiracy organized by....The Lizard People!

3. Trump uses racism to energize his base. Apparently Trump virtually always attacking brown skinned people is just a fluke. It could just as easily be white skinned people, but hey, it just didn't work out that way.
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Trump regularly flays Paul Ryan. He had all sorts of not so nice words for Jeff Sessions. Hillary anyone? Jim Accosta? Biden? McCain? Schumer? Pelosi? No brown people there.
 
Jay59 said:
This is on you. Just sayin.
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Only you called someone a racist in this thread. Not me. I objected to racist BS. Why does someone objecting to racism cause you to call people racists?
 
ecofarm said:
You asked. I answered. You accused me of supporting "racism against white people". I gave you a brief education in the flaws of that moronic mischaracterization. You're welcome.
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I asked the purpose in you even bringing it up and whether you see a moral distinction between them. Care to answer?
 
veritas1 said:
I asked the purpose in you even bringing it up and whether you see a moral distinction between them. Care to answer?
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Racial bigotry by the majority power contributes to the oppression of a race. Racial bigotry by a minority against the majority does not. The majority power cannot, by definition, be oppressed because it has the power.

A black person claiming to hate white people means nothing to me. It will never affect my life. If I find myself at racial disadvantage, I can always move. The ability to escape racial prejudice is a uniquely white privilege. I don't need to worry about housing, employment or the justice system.

When a white person claims to hate black people, it contributes to two hundreds years of social oppression. It is a threat to all black people of perpetuating injustice against a race.

This inherent threat to the group is used by criminal elements to create riots at instances of perceived injustice. The majority does not riot at perceived instances of injustice because there is not an inherent threat to the whole to be exploited and employed as an excuse by criminal elements.

Racial bigotry by black people against white people is essentially pissing in the wind.

Racial bigotry by white people is racism.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You don’t comprehend English to gud do you?

I just provided you a reference from the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services that explicitly says that immigrants can apply for asylum at any port of entry or in the United States.

There is no debating around that. You are flat out wrong.
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OK. Here's the part from the link you provided that's pertinent to this discussion -
Can I Still Apply for Asylum Even if I Am in the United States Illegally?

Yes. You may apply for asylum with USCIS regardless of your immigration status if:

You are not currently in removal proceedings
You file an asylum application within one year of arriving to the United States or demonstrate that you are within an exception to that rule.
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You see that part about "if I'm here illegally"? That means that you can claim asylum even if you're here illegally. It DOES NOT mean that it's legal to cross the border and then claim asylum. It's still illegal to come here undeclared.
 
ecofarm said:
Racial bigotry by the majority power contributes to the oppression of a race. Racial bigotry by a minority against the majority does not. The majority power cannot, by definition, be oppressed because it has the power.

A black person claiming to hate white people means nothing to me. It will never affect my life. If I find myself at racial disadvantage, I can always move. The ability to escape racial prejudice is a uniquely white privilege. I don't need to worry about housing, employment or the justice system.

When a white person claims to hate black people, it contributes to two hundreds years of social oppression. It is a threat to all black people of perpetuating injustice against a race.

This inherent threat to the group is used by criminal elements to create riots at instances of perceived injustice. The majority does not riot at perceived instances of injustice because there is not inherent threat to the whole to be exploited and employed as an excuse by criminal elements.
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Ah, so you are suggesting that we have not freed ourselves from the fetters of institutional racism and point to Trump as the exemplar of same. Seeing as how we just had a black president and that the four sitting Congresswomen now virtually running the Democratic party are not white, I'd argue that any such suggestion is not supported. Charges of racism seem more than convenient for the party counting heavily on minority votes and in danger of staying out of power another six years, not because of their color but because of their ideas.
 
veritas1 said:
That's rather humorous. You offer an arcane definition of racism to make excuses for attacks on whites and then get frothy because nobody is fooled. Nobody is concerned with the "sociological definition" of racism when everyone knows exactly what is meant by charges that someone is racist. I'm not acting out of either spite or racism but out of a desire that we not deal in obfuscation.
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Look - he all but called you a civil rights icon!

And then pointed out that words don't mean what they mean.

Literally.

I fail to see what the fuss is about...

:donkeyfla
 
Middle_Ground said:
Thank you for that link but can you find a breakdown of asylum seekers. I've seen the numbers for apprehensions. I've seen the numbers for unaccompanied minors then wonder how a 3 year old was unaccompanied.
I can not find the simple number of asylum seekers.

Also what happens now to all those that are waiting on line for there asylum claim?
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https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Refugees_Asylees_2017.pdf
The chart that shows asylum requests is on page 7. There were 83k requests in 2015, 115k in 2016 and 140k in 2017. The best information I can find for 2018 shows 73k through September.
United States Asylum Applications | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar
 
Lutherf said:
OK. Here's the part from the link you provided that's pertinent to this discussion -
You see that part about "if I'm here illegally"? That means that you can claim asylum even if you're here illegally. It DOES NOT mean that it's legal to cross the border and then claim asylum. It's still illegal to come here undeclared.
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Your example is taken from another part of the link. The part I cut/pasted specifically related to immigrants just arriving, not those that have been here for some period of time before requesting asylum.

Regardless, our asylum law permits the immigrant to legally request asylum, and at that time he/she is no longer an illegal immigrant.
 
apdst said:
So, you can't show us evidence of an ethnic group, or political group being persecuted by the government, or some para-military arm of, or independent of the government?

This stuff happens in The United States...



...no country is immune from those crimes.

You might want to slow down, calling someone ignorant.
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I didn’t call anyone ignorant. You do have s demonstrated lack of knowledge of the situation in Central America though.
 
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