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The First Rule of Racism...

apdst said:
The Cubans were fleeing actual persecution. The illegals crossing the southern border are looking for better government giveaways.
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So you have now determined what actual persecution is or is not?
 
OlNate said:
No, that's not it... you were just better then. :shrug:
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What persecution are the illehals fleeing?

(Let's see how you dodge the question, this time.
 
ultmd said:
WRONG.

The "FIRST RULE OF RACISM" is......Racists don't understand what Racism is, nor what it looks like. Thus, the non-stop streaming of excuses, rationalizations and blame-shifting that is (quite literally) an identifying marker for all white nationalist/supremacist/neo-nazi types.
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That's crap. What you are saying is that anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of racism is, by definition, a racist. It's pretty much akin to, "I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it".
 
JackA said:
My error. I meant bred from the earliest age by the surrounding social environment. So yes, sociological.
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No worries I figured you meant something like that and knew someone would jump at the chance to hang you for 1 word.
 
Middle_Ground said:
Okay but asylum law says you can apply for asylum when you are in the country.
Again how is what these people are doing different than the wet feet/feet policy?
Isn't that also law?

By the way there are people lined up at the ports of entry awaiting there chance to claim asylum....just as Trump has said they should do.
As of today the Trump administration has said they can no longer claim asylum here. The Trump administration has pulled the rug out from people that are following the laws. How can you expect people to be honest brokers when the people making the rules are not.
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The asylum law doesn't allow them to enter illegally.
 
Lutherf said:
That's crap. What you are saying is that anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of racism is, by definition, a racist. It's pretty much akin to, "I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it".
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A Leftist's definition of a racist is: anybody they don't like.
 
Middle_Ground said:
Okay but asylum law says you can apply for asylum when you are in the country.
Again how is what these people are doing different than the wet feet/feet policy?
Isn't that also law?

By the way there are people lined up at the ports of entry awaiting there chance to claim asylum....just as Trump has said they should do.
As of today the Trump administration has said they can no longer claim asylum here. The Trump administration has pulled the rug out from people that are following the laws. How can you expect people to be honest brokers when the people making the rules are not.
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These people ARE in the legal process of obtaining asylum. It's a process and part of that process is detention until the appropriate path forward in that process can be determined. Asylum is not a guarantee. Asylum is not a "human right". If the prospective asylee does not meet the criteria for asylum they will be returned to their home country...by law.
 
apdst said:
What persecution are the illehals fleeing?

(Let's see how you dodge the question, this time.
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The same persecution that the Cubans fleeing in the 90's were fleeing. Actually for the humans fleeing the Northern triangle it's worse they are fleeing the corrupt government and control of gangs.

I don't have to dodge anything.
 
apdst said:
The Cubans were fleeing actual persecution. The illegals crossing the southern border are looking for better government giveaways.
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Thanks for sharing the white nationalist perspective.

But the REALITY is that most being detained in concentration camps at the southern border are applying for asylum....which is 100% legal, btw.

There is NOTHING "illegal" about what most people in the Trump Concentration Camps have done. Nothing.

But anti-immigrant white nationalist types NEED to perpetuate these kinds of lies in order to re-frame the public narrative for their ignorant masses.
 
Lutherf said:
These people ARE in the legal process of obtaining asylum. It's a process and part of that process is detention until the appropriate path forward in that process can be determined. Asylum is not a guarantee. Asylum is not a "human right". If the prospective asylee does not meet the criteria for asylum they will be returned to their home country...by law.
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I don't have a problem with anything your saying. My problem is why we had one policy for Cubans and didn't call them illegal but now these people are deemed illegal as soon as they step foot on our soil.
I have no problem with detention but there should be a timeframe to that detention.
 
apdst said:
Calling detention camps concentration camps, an obvious Nazi reference, is Holocaust denial.

The Holocaust victims wish they would have had it that good. The Holocaust wouldn't even be a thing, if they had.
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Stupid comment.

Sorry, but throwing out the "Holocaust denial" canard was just plain ignorant of you.

The problem here is that you're ignorant of WWII and basic 20th century history. Or, at best, your grasp of that history is very superficial.

What is insulting to EDUCATED people is, in FACT, the conflating of Concentration Camps (like the ones at our southern border (which are very much analogous to those created by the Nazis and the Chinese and the Russians and the U.S. at times throughout the 20th century)....with the Nazi DEATH CAMPS, at which 5 million Jews and Gypsies were slaughtered.

Nazi Concentration Camps were NOT the same as their Death 'Camps. They were, in FACT, very much analogous to what we currently see at our southern border, under the "leadership" of our criminal president.

Got it?
 
Middle_Ground said:
I don't have a problem with anything your saying. My problem is why we had one policy for Cubans and didn't call them illegal but now these people are deemed illegal as soon as they step foot on our soil.
I have no problem with detention but there should be a timeframe to that detention.
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Asylum is granted to those who are subject to certain persecution by their home government. If one is in danger because their government is known to harm people of their race, their religion, their nationality, their political belief or their social group then they can be granted asylum. They can also be granted refugee status if their nation is engulfed in armed conflict or a natural disaster. The Cubans were known to be suffering political persecution. That pretty much validated their asylum claim.

With regard to the time frame, there can really be no set time frame. If 1000 people all show up and request asylum they all have to be processed and their individual circumstances need to be assessed. If they are the 1000th person in line their processing will take longer than it did for the first person in line. Likewise, if their circumstances are different than the person in front of them that too can effect the time it takes to process them.
 
Lutherf said:
Asylum is granted to those who are subject to certain persecution by their home government. If one is in danger because their government is known to harm people of their race, their religion, their nationality, their political belief or their social group then they can be granted asylum. They can also be granted refugee status if their nation is engulfed in armed conflict or a natural disaster. The Cubans were known to be suffering political persecution. That pretty much validated their asylum claim.

With regard to the time frame, there can really be no set time frame. If 1000 people all show up and request asylum they all have to be processed and their individual circumstances need to be assessed. If they are the 1000th person in line their processing will take longer than it did for the first person in line. Likewise, if their circumstances are different than the person in front of them that too can effect the time it takes to process them.
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Actually Cubans that came in the 90's were considered economic emigrates. Not the standard political or religious ressons.
Your telling me the US government doesn't have the capability to process 1000 people in say 30 days.
 
Lutherf said:
That's crap. What you are saying is that anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of racism is, by definition, a racist. It's pretty much akin to, "I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it".
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Silly comment. My remarks were offered in clear, succinct, standard English. Next time, if you want to tell me what I'm "really" saying, do yourself a favor, don't paraphrase me; quote me directly.

Your problem seems to be that, like so many alt-right/white nationalist types who have lived blissfully ignorant lives of white entitlement, you don't understand what racism is. You think it's about feelings and emotions, but it's about actions. Racism and Bigotry are functional synonyms, not pure syinonyms.

One of the primary rhetorical tactics of people (all people) when defending arguments/opinions which they KNOW are predicated upon a superficial knowledge/understanding of the relevant subject matter...is to argue that there are no objective facts and insist that the issue is really just a matter of subjective opinion. That's what you're doing, here (along with a heavy dose of dishonesty by misrepresenting my previous remarks).

But the bottom line for you, here, is pretty simple. Racism and bigotry are not as subjective as most racists and bigots would like decent people to believe. In fact, Racism, in particular, is fairly objective. Discriminatory Actions and Behavior...speak louder than offensive, insensitive or careless words.


apdst said:
A Leftist's definition of a racist is: anybody they don't like.
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An alt-righties rationalization for his white grievance/victimhood "issues", above.

Luckily, it doesn't change REALITY for most decent people.
 
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JackA said:
...is to deny you’re a racist. You are then set up if you are Caucasian to tell American citizens of color to go back to the countries they came from. The fact that the citizens you insult came from the same country you do does not spoil your racist message at all. Your racist supporters understand perfectly.

But imagine how telling someone to go back to the country they came from would go over if the statement was from a black American to a white American. See, it only works one way. That’s because it is a white racist trope.
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^ Still another redundant racist OP by a Democrat. How many of this ideal Democratic racism threads are Democrats going to start?

Yes, I understand that you as a white man only see people in terms of who is pure white like you and who is not, making all your decisions and analysis from such racist glasses in your messages.

President Trump never mentioned anyone's race. But since racism is at the CORE of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party and most white Democrats always and only can see people in racial terms. That is the core definition of racism.
 
Middle_Ground said:
Actually Cubans that came in the 90's were considered economic emigrates. Not the standard political or religious ressons.
Your telling me the US government doesn't have the capability to process 1000 people in say 30 days.
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It isn't 1000 in 30 days. Now, counting legal immigration, it is over 250,000 every 30 days.
 
of course Tweety is a racist. he hasn't ever been shy about it.
 
apdst said:
The Cubans were fleeing actual persecution. The illegals crossing the southern border are looking for better government giveaways.
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Your ignorance of the situation in Central America is demonstrated by your own words.

The killing of a loved one. An attempt at gang recruitment. A rape. Harassment by a police officer. A death threat over an outstanding extortion payment. Amid the justified uproar at the Trump administration’s policies on America’s southern border, often lost are the reasons many Central Americans leave their homes, and are prepared to brave the perils of the journey north, in the first place. Families arriving at the border from countries like Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala leave behind a myriad of stories, many of them connected to their homelands’ plague of armed violence. -The Atlantic

What Central American Asylum-Seekers Are Fleeing - The Atlantic
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That's one of several hits on a Google search for: "persecution in central America"
 
Mycroft said:
The first rule of identity politics...

...is to play this card.

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Funny but the REAL racists seem to be loving his comments. They should know a racist comment when they hear one don't you think?

"Man, President Trump's Twitter account has been pure fire lately. This might be the funniest thing he's ever tweeted. This is the kind of WHITE NATIONALISM we elected him for," wrote Andrew Anglin on his Daily Stormer site -- one of the most highly trafficked neo-Nazi websites.
"And we're obviously seeing it only because there's another election coming up. But I'll tell you, even knowing that, it still feels so good."
White nationalists had become openly frustrated by Trump recently for the failure to build a border wall and the lack of a promised immigration crackdown. "With a single tweet, Trump was able to win back the sizeable deluded portion of the Alt-Right, eager to take another trip on the merry-go-round," prominent white nationalist Richard Spencer wrote on Twitter. Spencer, who infamously declared "Hail Trump" following the 2016 election at an event where people were seen apparently giving the Nazi salute, told CNN he now thought Trump was talk and no action. Spencer was one of those who led a torch rally in Charlottesville in August 2017, during a weekend when a neo-Nazi drove a car at a crowd of counter-protesters, killing one woman.
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One 8chan commenter wrote that they expected to see an uptick of supporters who "blindly emulate the President's example."
But they saw the reaction to Trump's words as an "essential first step" in normalizing the hateful idea that individuals can choose not to exist alongside people they don't like because of their skin color or where they come from.
The commenter wrote it would be a big step forward to normalize an idea that "it is ok for him not to want to be swamped by brown scum that clearly despise him, that these invaders have stepped well out of line making demands of us, and that if they don't like the way we run things they can go the hell back," the poster wrote. "These are the ideological seeds from which actual revolutions begin. When someone with perceived authority like Trump comes along and says them, it carries weight with many people. The jewish media is right to be terrified of these ideas becoming normalized."
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Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, which tracks incidents of hate, said Trump's messages echo white supremacist talking points. "It's hardly surprising that we've seen many white supremacists, neo-Nazis and anti-Muslim extremists celebrating Trump's outbursts," he told CNN. "To bigots, these types of comments are not a just dog-whistle, they're a bullhorn validating their beliefs."
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White supremacists cheer Trump's racist tweets - CNNPolitics
 
JackA said:
...is to deny you’re a racist. You are then set up if you are Caucasian to tell American citizens of color to go back to the countries they came from. The fact that the citizens you insult came from the same country you do does not spoil your racist message at all. Your racist supporters understand perfectly.

But imagine how telling someone to go back to the country they came from would go over if the statement was from a black American to a white American. See, it only works one way. That’s because it is a white racist trope.
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A couple of points worth noting;
1. Many African Americans ancestors were here before many white Americans ancestors arrived. Maybe one of those folks should tell Trump to go back where he came from.
2. Rep Omar was naturalized as an American citizen in 2000, six years before Melania Trump.
 
OlNate said:
Yes...it's everyone else in the room that's crazy / wrong / biased.

Sorry...talk like a racist, get called a racist. Defend a racist, get called a defender of racism. Show me the hole in my logic.
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The person you are playing your card against isn't a racist.
 
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