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I Am Impressed!

These are the ones you are referring to?

“Israel has hypnotized the world,”
“May Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.”
“all about the Benjamins baby.”
“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is O.K. to push for allegiance to a foreign country.”

Show me where any of this is against the United States?

In addition, I have already stated that I am aware of the feelings toward Israel. She was born and raised in a country that is against Israel and her parents indoctrinated her against them as a child. We all have some biases that came from our parents and childhood education and though they are often wrong, they are excusable to a certain degree. Also consider that life is a journey of learning to be a better person. She is only 37 whereas Trump is 74. She still can learn and change. Trump can't.

A person should be rated or valued for everything she brings to the table and not just for the negatives and ignoring the positives. Isn't that what all you Trump supporters is constantly asking us to do? Forgive or forget that he is an abuser, a family separator, a racist, a sociopath, a hater, a divider, a person accused of sexual misconduct by 24 women, a lover of dictators and autocrats and more importantly incompetent just because he is putting a few extra dollars in our pockets and bringing down unemployment? So why not judge Ilhan with the same lenses? After all, at least she talks well and clearly and with real information (unlike Trump that promotes hate and disunity), states goals that are full of benefits for all (not just 40% of Trumps base). and works hard at it (contrary to Trump only working a few hours a day) Why not be consistent with everyone in that respect?

Omar Ilhan bio:



As far as "all being for the Benjamins". Where is she wrong on that. Trump is ALL ABOUT the Benjamins. Are you going to criticize her for telling the truth?

and lastly "“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is O.K. to push for allegiance to a foreign country.”

Trump is pushing to make us an isolationist country and is also pushing to support countries like NK and Russia. Why don't you criticize that if you criticize Omar for her statement?

You continue to not prove your point. In fact you continue to prove my point that she is someone to respect.

As far as her feeling toward Israel. She is wrong on that "but not totally wrong" given that Israel is not lily white either. Give her time and she will change the ideas that are wrong as she is a person that learns and has a working brain (unlike Trump).

You are being a total hypocrite as Trump can be accused 100 times more of the same things that you are accusing Omar Ilhan of doing and yet I don't see you doing any criticism of Trump.

You sound like you have a crush on Ilhan Omar.
Forget it.
You stand as much chance with her as you do with Rachel.
Despite the embarrassing groveling.

You can't comprehend the intent of what you read because you cram it all through your own personal partisan prism.

If someone says "We don't need any more white faces that don't want to be a white voice," what would you think of that person.
 
Let me explain what I consider to be basics of a person

1) no one is perfect
2) you judge a person by balancing the positives versus the negatives. If there are more positives than negatives, you accept the person and vice versa.
3) Ethics, morals, principles and humanity are more important than a persons bias. Everyone (and I do mean everyone) has a bias for or against something or someone. It is human nature like someone preferring vanilla to chocolate (or vice versa) ice cream.
4) Life is a journey to become a better person. A young person can be excused. An old person has no excuse.
5) Fighting evil is more important than fighting bias. Evil kills, bias just hurts.
6) Most people are hypocrites because they criticize what they themselves are normally guilty off.
7) Going forward is normally better than going backward.
8) A doer is a much more valuable person than a taker.

Having said all of that. In the research that I have now done on Omar Ilhan, which is not complete by any stretch of the imagination but sufficient to make an initial judgment of the things mentioned above, she passes my guidelines for being a better person than not. On the other side of the coin and against the man YOU SUPPORT, Trump fails each and every one of those guidelines.

As such, you are a total hypocrite if you believe any of my guidelines apply to people in general.

I never said Omar is a bad person. She has some crappy ideas and ideals, and I don't think those are compatible with those I consider to be intrinsic for a congressional representative in this country. Just because I disagree with another - even vehemently in some instances - doesn't mean I necessarily believe such people are bad, or evil.
 
You sound like you have a crush on Ilhan Omar.
Forget it.
You stand as much chance with her as you do with Rachel.
Despite the embarrassing groveling.

You can't comprehend the intent of what you read because you cram it all through your own personal partisan prism.

If someone says "We don't need any more white faces that don't want to be a white voice," what would you think of that person.

Bubba, just one comment to your post.

Enjoy your fantasy while you can.

Goodbye
 
I never said Omar is a bad person. She has some crappy ideas and ideals, and I don't think those are compatible with those I consider to be intrinsic for a congressional representative in this country. Just because I disagree with another - even vehemently in some instances - doesn't mean I necessarily believe such people are bad, or evil.

Good answer but.....................

Does your answer mean that from now on you will also mean that you now believe (as I do) that Trump is not fit for the office of President.

I mean, if what you are saying about Ilhan not being fit to be a congressional representative in this country, that would apply tenfold to Trump, wouldn't it. After all, Trump has behaved and done much the same things ilhan has done but tenfold.

Show me that you are NOT a hypocrite!
 
Bubba, just one comment to your post.

Enjoy your fantasy while you can.

Goodbye

If someone says "We don't need any more white faces that don't want to be a white voice," what would you think of that person.
 
Good answer but.....................

Does your answer mean that from now on you will also mean that you now believe (as I do) that Trump is not fit for the office of President.

I mean, if what you are saying about Ilhan not being fit to be a congressional representative in this country, that would apply tenfold to Trump, wouldn't it. After all, Trump has behaved and done much the same things ilhan has done but tenfold.

Show me that you are NOT a hypocrite!

I don't think a comparison of Trump and Omar serves any great purpose beyond stating that their two conceptions of our country are vastly different. Given that, your notion that Omar is fit for office and Trump isn't is as hypocritical as you believe mine to be.
 
I knew very little about Omar Ilhan, the lady from Somalia that came when she was 7 years old, became a U.S. Citizen and then was elected to the House of Representatives to represent her district.

I have read a few comments here on this board about her (mostly negative ones) but never bothered to do much research on her as she was not someone that I had much interest in. Nonetheless, I saw her talk today in the televised response and again tonight on the Rachel Maddow show and I have to say that I was impressed. She made me get up and take notice for her ability to talk and express her thoughts in a way that were clear and concise and to the point. She blew away the other 3 women this afternoon (including AOC) and made me respect her to the nth degree. She is exactly the kind of person that I believe is a fighter for human rights, a believer in honesty and morals, and generally someone I would love to know.

She said this afternoon (video on the link of Fox News):



She also talked tonight on the Rachel Maddow show and she was even more impressive there than in this afternoons press conference. The video is not yet available but it will likely be tomorrow morning and I will put up here.

If everyone was like her on the Democratic Party, it would be a "no contest" for 2020. The Democrats would win overwhelmingly. She is what the men running the party should be.

My opinion, and I am sticking by it.

Get all your facts straight, first she left Somalia at 7 and didn't come to the U.S. until 4 years later. Her impressive ability to speak her mind is used to abuse the American country that saved her. She speaks hatred for the state of Israel and the Jewish people. She offers defense of terror organizations such as Al Qaeda and she speaks of 911 as "some people did something". You are most easily impressed.
 
I don't think a comparison of Trump and Omar serves any great purpose beyond stating that their two conceptions of our country are vastly different. Given that, your notion that Omar is fit for office and Trump isn't is as hypocritical as you believe mine to be.

That is so unbelievably funny as to be put into history.

Comparing oranges to oranges is what we all do and should do. You are the one that said that Omar Ilhan was not fit for office. I just said she impressed me. Trump has done worse things than Ilhan but you don't see fit to compare them?

You are a true hypocrite all the way through and through.

I have lost interest in talking to you. You do not seek truth, you seek to support your opinion any way, shape, or form...................exactly like Trump. You will now be called by me "mini Trump"
 
Get all your facts straight, first she left Somalia at 7 and didn't come to the U.S. until 4 years later. Her impressive ability to speak her mind is used to abuse the American country that saved her. She speaks hatred for the state of Israel and the Jewish people. She offers defense of terror organizations such as Al Qaeda and she speaks of 911 as "some people did something". You are most easily impressed.

You are repeating what every Trumper says.

Let's once more clarify that at no time has she done anything against the United States. What she is being criticized for is her statements regarding Israel and in defense of Al Queda. I don't condone those either but understand that she was raised that way by her parents and her surroundings and you just don't get rid of your prejudices easily. There are many, many, many people in rural America that are still prejudiced against the Blacks, including our dear president and I don't see any of you critics of Omar Ilhan tearing down those people (including Trump) for their prejudices.

Ilhan is still young (37 years old) and learning and changing as she goes through life's journey. What excuse does a 74-year old man like Trump, or all the older people in rural America have for their prejudices? Obama, a very good and decent man, got shut out totally by the Republican Congress and House, mostly older people just because they couldn't accept a Black man as president. What excuse do they have for being old and still prejudiced.

I am not excusing Omar Ilhan for her prejudices but at least I understand them and am willing to overlook them as long as she does more good things than bad. Trump on the other hand, not only remains prejudiced against Blacks, browns, and people that disagree with him but for every 1 good thing he has done (very few, less than 4) there are 4 things he has done badly and hurt people in the process. His good does not overcome his bad. In Omar Ilhan's case, it is the opposite.

I don't expect you to understand this because YOUR PREJUDICE is stopping you from doing so. The bigger problem, unlike Omar, is that you are NOT learning to be different. Your prejudice remains and yet you criticize the prejudice of a woman that grew up in a highly prejudiced environment against Israeliites. What is your excuse?

You are a hypocrite.
 
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That is so unbelievably funny as to be put into history.

Comparing oranges to oranges is what we all do and should do. You are the one that said that Omar Ilhan was not fit for office. I just said she impressed me. Trump has done worse things than Ilhan but you don't see fit to compare them?

You are a true hypocrite all the way through and through.

I have lost interest in talking to you. You do not seek truth, you seek to support your opinion any way, shape, or form...................exactly like Trump. You will now be called by me "mini Trump"

Nope. There is no meaningful comparison that suits your purpose, which is to deflect criticism of Omar by way of discrediting Trump. It's easy to discredit Trump. That doesn't make Omar look any better.
 
Nope. There is no meaningful comparison that suits your purpose, which is to deflect criticism of Omar by way of discrediting Trump. It's easy to discredit Trump. That doesn't make Omar look any better.

At the very least in her capacity, she is doing more good than bad. The same cannot be said about Trump. He is the scourge of the earth.

Sorry, I don't even know why I take the time to answer you. Talking to a brick wall is pure stupidity on my part. It will not happen again. Good bye.
 
At the very least in her capacity, she is doing more good than bad. The same cannot be said about Trump. He is the scourge of the earth.

Sorry, I don't even know why I take the time to answer you. Talking to a brick wall is pure stupidity on my part. It will not happen again. Good bye.

Then you believe Omar's proposal today comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is good? Heh. You go with that.
 
Then you believe Omar's proposal today comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is good? Heh. You go with that.

Ask him if he's seen the video clip of Omar talking about AlQaeda and what he thinks her point was.
I'd ask him myself but every time he can't answer something I ask he either deflects (which you've noticed) or he goes into a near word limit screed highlighted by some self-aggrandizement.
After the last time (#103) he bailed and after asking it in an abbreviated form (#105) he had already crawled into his shell never to return.
 
Ask him if he's seen the video clip of Omar talking about AlQaeda and what he thinks her point was.
I'd ask him myself but every time he can't answer something I ask he either deflects (which you've noticed) or he goes into a near word limit screed highlighted by some self-aggrandizement.
After the last time (#103) he bailed and after asking it in an abbreviated form (#105) he had already crawled into his shell never to return.

Yeah, and "better than Trump" isn't meaningful.
 
Yeah, and "better than Trump" isn't meaningful.

heh heh
I see he told you goodbye now too.
Looks like anyone asking the right questions will bring out the snowflake.
 
heh heh
I see he told you goodbye now too.
Looks like anyone asking the right questions will bring out the snowflake.

It does. And in the mean time, Omar is the gift that keeps on giving. I bet Pelosi is about to lose her marbles. There goes the Jewish voters, and I don't think the squad has any intention of just going away silently. Kinda puts Mueller on the back burner. Nadler is probably gonna have to eat three whole turkeys to get over this.
 
She has not said anything anti-semitic.

Prove me wrong or everyone will know what you are.

actually she has and pelosi forced her to apologize but that didn't stop her from just the other day
sounding out more anti-semitic nonsense.

but again your a leftist so you ignore racism and bigotry as long as it opposes groups you don't agree with.
the papers have already proved you wrong because they have already called her out on it more than once.

the question is why are you ignoring it?
 
“Israel has hypnotized the world,”
“May Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.”
“all about the Benjamins baby.”
“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is O.K. to push for allegiance to a foreign country.”

i don't see how these people claim to be so smart but are so stupid in pretty much every discussion.
 
i don't see how these people claim to be so smart but are so stupid in pretty much every discussion.

They can claim to be smart until they're shown to be wrong.
At that point they either deny what is is, or they find an excuse to slink off.
You might have noticed someone on this thread has adopted the latter approach with 2 of us.
 
They can claim to be smart until they're shown to be wrong.
At that point they either deny what is is, or they find an excuse to slink off.
You might have noticed someone on this thread has adopted the latter approach with 2 of us.

Show me wrong. I challenge you.
 
Show me wrong. I challenge you.

Wrong about what? No one mentioned you. Why would you assume anyone was talking about you when discussing people who think they're smart but aren't?
 
actually she has and pelosi forced her to apologize but that didn't stop her from just the other day
sounding out more anti-semitic nonsense.

but again your a leftist so you ignore racism and bigotry as long as it opposes groups you don't agree with.
the papers have already proved you wrong because they have already called her out on it more than once.

the question is why are you ignoring it?

Critical of Israel is not equal to anti-semitic. Just like critical of Trump is not anti-American.

You invoke "the papers"? The fake news? Seriously? Oh, I get it. You trust the media if they report something you agree with, otherwise they can't be trusted.
 
Critical of Israel is not equal to anti-semitic. Just like critical of Trump is not anti-American.

You invoke "the papers"? The fake news? Seriously? Oh, I get it. You trust the media if they report something you agree with, otherwise they can't be trusted.

even pelosi called it anti-semitic so i guess she is lying now as well interesting.
 
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