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"Go back to your country" Trump says

OscarLevant

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This Miami Herald editorial cartoon sums it up perfectly:

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OscarLevant said:
This Miami Herald editorial cartoon sums it up perfectly:

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Yes, this kind of thing gets bandied about a lot whenever immigration is argued over.

What do we take from it? What's the logical conclusion?

(Note: what Trump said was indefensible. But I'm just talking about the cartoon and the idea(s) depicted in it.)
 
I expect much of Miami-Dade and Broward county's conservatives are not happy.
 
Harshaw said:
Yes, this kind of thing gets bandied about a lot whenever immigration is argued over.

What do we take from it? What's the logical conclusion?

(Note: what Trump said was indefensible. But I'm just talking about the cartoon and the idea(s) depicted in it.)
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My point is that those who murdered millions of indigenous populations and stole their country have no leg to stand on when they say "go back to your country".

Most of us, including Trump, are descendants of "those" people.

We are all immigrants, and like Reagan says, you can't move to France and become a Frenchman, but you can move to American and become and American.

Trump really needs to learn that one point, he seems oblivious to it.

Moreover, criticism does not equal "hate". That's the logic he is using, and it is bogus.
 
OscarLevant said:
My point is that those who murdered millions of indigenous populations and stole their country have no leg to stand on when they say "go back to your country".

Most of us, including Trump, are descendants of "those" people.

We are all immigrants, and like Reagan says, you can't move to France and become a Frenchman, but you can move to American and become and American.

Trump really needs to learn that one point, he seems oblivious to it.

Moreover, criticism does not equal "hate". That's the logic he is using, and it is bogus.
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Like I said, cartoons and memes like your come up whenever immigration is debated, not just in this context.

So how does acknowledging that "we are all immigrants" inform the immigration debate? Again, what conclusions should we draw from it?
 
Harshaw said:
Like I said, cartoons and memes like your come up whenever immigration is debated, not just in this context.

So how does acknowledging that "we are all immigrants" inform the immigration debate? Again, what conclusions should we draw from it?
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Quit hating them. Diversity is our strength.

Trump's xenophobia affects policy, and farmers are suffering because of it.

We need to bring more, not less, of them in.

We need them.
 
OscarLevant said:
Quit hating them. Diversity is our strength.

Trump's xenophobia affects policy, and farmers are suffering because of it.

We need to bring more, not less, of them in.

We need them.
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OK, so what's the logical conclusion of that?

Unlimited immigration? Open borders?

If not, why not? On what basis is the limitation?
 
Send them all back including that foreign born mail order bride living in the White House.
 
Harshaw said:
OK, so what's the logical conclusion of that? Unlimited immigration? Open borders? If not, why not? On what basis is the limitation?
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What the **** are you confused about Harshaw. The President of the United States could stop tweeting (in general) racist garbage like a racist moron. That's the first logical conclusion to draw from people outraged at POTUS tweeting racists diatribe like the clown he is.
 
OscarLevant said:
My point is that those who murdered millions of indigenous populations and stole their country have no leg to stand on when they say "go back to your country".
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Progressives never get tired of saying this, but I get very tired of hearing it. The American settlers unintentionally killed most of the native Americans with infectious diseases. This is a well known fact.

And yes, the settlers also killed native Americans, but the settlers and the natives were FIGHTING each other. You make it sound like the native Americans just sat there like dodos and allowed themselves to be killed. No, they were good fighters, probably much better than the Europeans. If not for the infectious diseases, maybe they would have won and this would still be their land.
 
Mach said:
What the **** are you confused about Harshaw. The President of the United States could stop tweeting (in general) racist garbage like a racist moron. That's the first logical conclusion to draw from people outraged at POTUS tweeting racists diatribe like the clown he is.
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You have a habit of ignoring things you'd rather not see. I'll make it easy for you.

Harshaw said:
(Note: what Trump said was indefensible. But I'm just talking about the cartoon and the idea(s) depicted in it.)
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That's all I have to say about Trump. Rage on about it if you need to, but I won't pay any attention.
 
Harshaw said:
Yes, this kind of thing gets bandied about a lot whenever immigration is argued over.

What do we take from it? What's the logical conclusion?

(Note: what Trump said was indefensible. But I'm just talking about the cartoon and the idea(s) depicted in it.)
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One thing to take from it is to be cautious about saying stupid things.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Progressives never get tired of saying this, but I get very tired of hearing it. The American settlers unintentionally killed most of the native Americans with infectious diseases. This is a well known fact.

And yes, the settlers also killed native Americans, but the settlers and the natives were FIGHTING each other. You make it sound like the native Americans just sat there like dodos and allowed themselves to be killed. No, they were good fighters, probably much better than the Europeans. If not for the infectious diseases, maybe they would have won and this would still be their land.
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You get tired of hearing it? To stinking bad. You will stop hearing about it when it is no longer truth, and clearly you need to hear it some more because you still get it WRONG.
There was nothing unintentional about it, and claiming it as, a well known fact is BS.
You make it sound as if committing genocide, and breaking peace treaties is honorable tradition
 
OscarLevant said:
My point is that those who murdered millions of indigenous populations and stole their country have no leg to stand on when they say "go back to your country".

Most of us, including Trump, are descendants of "those" people.

We are all immigrants, and like Reagan says, you can't move to France and become a Frenchman, but you can move to American and become and American.

Trump really needs to learn that one point, he seems oblivious to it.

Moreover, criticism does not equal "hate". That's the logic he is using, and it is bogus.
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None of those people have been saying that.
 
Minty_fresh said:
You get tired of hearing it? To stinking bad. You will stop hearing about it when it is no longer truth, and clearly you need to hear it some more because you still get it WRONG.
There was nothing unintentional about it, and claiming it as, a well known fact is BS.
You make it sound as if committing genocide, and breaking peace treaties is honorable tradition
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I never get tired of Leftists shooting themselves in the foot.
 
Mach said:
What the **** are you confused about Harshaw. The President of the United States could stop tweeting (in general) racist garbage like a racist moron. That's the first logical conclusion to draw from people outraged at POTUS tweeting racists diatribe like the clown he is.
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You folks think anyone who disagrees with you, is a racist. By now, who cares if you call someone a racist. It's meaningless.

The only reason you do it, is because you have nothing else to argue with.
 
Harshaw said:
OK, so what's the logical conclusion of that?

Unlimited immigration? Open borders?

If not, why not? On what basis is the limitation?
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No, but a more liberal, friendly, accommodating, policy towards those who want to come here.


The recent spike of those from Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, the word is that coyotes have been drumming up business
by telling the locals 'the time is now to come to America, because Trump is going to close the border".

Trump is the cause of this crisis, owing to his extreme xenophobia.

Trump is the extreme right, but by opposing Trump, the left isn't asserting the only alternative is to totally open the borders.

No, the middle is the right path. Harmony is in the middle, the only place the pendulum rests is dead center.

That is the point.
 
Mr. pResident, they ARE Americans. You ARE a bigot.
 
OscarLevant said:
No, but a more liberal, friendly, accommodating, policy towards those who want to come here.


The recent spike of those from Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, the word is that coyotes have been drumming up business
by telling the locals 'the time is now to come to America, because Trump is going to close the border".

Trump is the cause of this crisis, owing to his extreme xenophobia.

Trump is the extreme right, but by opposing Trump, the left isn't asserting the only alternative is to totally open the borders.

No, the middle is the right path. Harmony is in the middle, the only place the pendulum rests is dead center.

That is the point.
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Describe it. What's your policy? It's easy to say "better than what we have now." But that's not very helpful.

So, draw the blueprint.

And specifically, as you say you're not for open borders, on what basis do you exclude people?
 
OscarLevant said:
Moreover, criticism does not equal "hate". That's the logic he is using, and it is bogus.
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This a common tactic of authoritarians. Those who disagree with us are traitors. The natural conclusion is that they should be deported or imprisoned.


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Good4Nothin said:
Progressives never get tired of saying this, but I get very tired of hearing it. The American settlers unintentionally killed most of the native Americans with infectious diseases. This is a well known fact.

And yes, the settlers also killed native Americans, but the settlers and the natives were FIGHTING each other. You make it sound like the native Americans just sat there like dodos and allowed themselves to be killed. No, they were good fighters, probably much better than the Europeans. If not for the infectious diseases, maybe they would have won and this would still be their land.
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That would be unicorn thinking. We were technologically superior, bows and arrows and tomahawk cannot compete with firearms and artillery.


But all of that is beside the point. We took their land, period.


Now that we have it, to say to anyone who dissents against America should "go back to your country", is positively asinine and racist (it was said to four women of color, and given Trump's history in this regard, one can reasonably make that assertion), and we can put that characterization in 40 pt bold face type when the president of the united states says it.


That is the point.

That is why Reagan said what he said on his parting speech. He got it right, and I'm wondering what happened to the republican party, they are a pale shadow of their former self.
 
Harshaw said:
Yes, this kind of thing gets bandied about a lot whenever immigration is argued over.

What do we take from it? What's the logical conclusion?

(Note: what Trump said was indefensible. But I'm just talking about the cartoon and the idea(s) depicted in it.)
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The logical conclusion is that Trump want people who are born here in America to go back to wherever they came from because they don't agree with Trump
 
OscarLevant said:
This Miami Herald editorial cartoon sums it up perfectly:

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Does the US now own the moon since Americans were there first? Who first owned the land now encircled by US borders? God, and He gives the land to whomever He chooses. God sometimes gives the land to one people and then takes it back away and gives it to another. God does as He pleases.
 
Harshaw said:
Describe it. What's your policy? It's easy to say "better than what we have now." But that's not very helpful.

So, draw the blueprint.

And specifically, as you say you're not for open borders, on what basis do you exclude people?
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I'm not a lawmaker, but one thing is certain, Trump is causing much of this problem with his xenophobia.


Hating immigrants is not the answer. I'd say get in lline, follow directions ( and the process should be streamlined ) and have a work/visa program for farming and hospitality industries.

I'll let the experts work on the details.

There really is no perfect solution. But deporting 12 million people is not doable.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Progressives never get tired of saying this, but I get very tired of hearing it. The American settlers unintentionally killed most of the native Americans with infectious diseases. This is a well known fact.

And yes, the settlers also killed native Americans, but the settlers and the natives were FIGHTING each other. You make it sound like the native Americans just sat there like dodos and allowed themselves to be killed. No, they were good fighters, probably much better than the Europeans. If not for the infectious diseases, maybe they would have won and this would still be their land.
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Nice revisionist history you have there. The Indians lost because they couldn't organize all the tribes into a big enough force to fight off the European immigrants taking their lands. Only once in US history did they come close to winning under a chief named Tecumseh but they were betrayed by the British.
 
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