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ocean515 said:
Perhaps I've stated it before in a reply to you, but I've always wondered how the people of Germany were convinced to follow the Nazi Party. How did the Italians embrace Fascism? How do the North Korean people support the regime that crushes them.

And here we are today in the US. Indoctrination, threats, shaming, all designed to cow people into either embracing the reigime, or risk being destroyed.

Calling someone a racist in today's environment is designed to eliminate. To erase someone. It's designed to end discussion, and remove someone.

No ideas need to be discussed or debated. Just call someone a racist, because they have nothing else to offer.

Pretty sick stuff.
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You aren't suggesting that there isn't racism in America? I'm a white guy and I certainly can't and wouldn't speak for minorities but from what I see and hear America appears to have a problem with racists and bigots. Are you suggesting that it is wrong to call someone a racist when their speech and behavior are racist?

Have you considered the possibility that there may be more overt racism and bigotry in America than there have been in the recent past? If so, why would it be wrong or inappropriate to speak up and challenge the hatred?
 
ElChupacabra said:
It's not a matter of opinion though, is it? In the history of humankind there has not been an instance of any deity helping them in a direct manner that others could witness. The outcomes of wars have been the result of the people fighting them and no supernatural interference.
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You never saw the invisible God and work and you ignorantly claim God does not work? That is silly.

So long as there's an idea of ownership there will be this kind of conflict, so at some point I suppose there will be some kind of tug of war over whatever piece of land has value.
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Yes, I agree. If someone want to challenge another over property rights then let the battles begin.
 
AmNat said:
Just to be clear, you're acknowledging that mass immigration is bad for the host population? That it'll result in us being reduced to a minority in our own country, and we have a right to be opposed to this?
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Race should not be an issue in the immigration debate. What are issues which must be dealt with are:

1. Border security.
2. Immigration laws.
3. Funding.
4. Safety.
5. Housing.
6. Jobs.
7. Healthcare.
8. Schooling.
9. Legalization.
10. Unions and worker protections.
11. Crime and punishment.

And so forth.
 
AmNat said:
Just to be clear, you're acknowledging that mass immigration is bad for the host population? That it'll result in us being reduced to a minority in our own country, and we have a right to be opposed to this?
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Who is "us"?

Please, be specific.

And why do you think any one group holds the right to remain in the majority? Can you show that to me in the Constitution anywhere?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Let's acknowledge your Trump created triggers, Ms-13 and terrorists. I'll let you keep those fears and you can continue to sleep with the light on.

You mention outsiders who think they can ignore our laws. I'm not certain what you mean there but I believe it immigrants are more law abiding than native born Americans. But OK, let's talk about ignoring our laws. Did you have specific laws in mind? When you refer to those who leech off of American people are you referring to wealthy people who pay little to no taxes? Or do you mean corporations who pay little to no taxes? Or are you referring to corporate welfare? Or are you referring to most Americans who do literally nothing, nada, zip, for their country? They don't serve in the military. They do no community service. They do not volunteer to serve on community, city, county, state or nationlal committees, boards, task forces, etc? Are you talking about the millions of Americans so uninvolved in their own governance that they are unable to tell you the names of their state and federal representatives; can't name the VP; can't explain the balance and the separation of federal powers and how they function?
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We can start with Federal laws requiring the detention of illegal immigrants. Border agents have cried to Congress for more funding because their facilities are busting at the seams with overcrowding and Congress is doing nothing but make fake news videos misinforming the public about the crisis. Our Border agents need help, they need money, they need the laws to be changed or the way they are enforced to be changed. Something. American politicians need to stop politicizing the immigration issue and start working together to bring relief to both our American agents and those immigrants crossing our borders without prior or legal authorization.
 
marke said:
Race should not be an issue in the immigration debate....
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And yet, we all know that race (and culture) is THE most important issue in the immigration debate, from the perspective of the right.

To pretend otherwise is to be dishonest.

We can start with Federal laws requiring the detention of illegal immigrants
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No, we can start by ending the practice of labeling asylum seekers as "illegal immigrants" and then caging them in concentration style camps. That's the first step to a resolution. Honesty is always a good policy.
 
Risky Thicket said:
You aren't suggesting that there isn't racism in America? I'm a white guy and I certainly can't and wouldn't speak for minorities but from what I see and hear America appears to have a problem with racists and bigots. Are you suggesting that it is wrong to call someone a racist when their speech and behavior are racist?

Have you considered the possibility that there may be more overt racism and bigotry in America than there have been in the recent past? If so, why would it be wrong or inappropriate to speak up and challenge the hatred?
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Is the white guy wrong for disrespecting the black guy who wrongly disrespected the white guy he did not know beforehand? Racism breeds racism. Racism is promoted by anyone who rushes to accuse someone else of racism just because he does not understand or like what that other person says. If disagreeing with someone is racist then we are all racists because we all disagree with one another on something. But if all are racists then what does it matter? Just accept who we are and try to live at peace with one another in spite of our differences.
 
ultmd said:
And yet, we all know that race (and culture) is THE most important issue in the immigration debate, from the perspective of the right.

To pretend otherwise is to be dishonest.
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I do hear lots of people talking about "brown people," but all rhetoric using those words is coming from the democrats.

No, we can start by ending the practice of labeling asylum seekers as "illegal immigrants" and then caging them in concentration style camps. That's the first step to a resolution. Honesty is always a good policy.
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We do need to start. Congress either needs to change the laws or join our law enforcement officers in their efforts to enforce the laws. We do need to build more and larger detention facilities to house the skyrocketing overflow crisis at the border if we want detained immigrants housed in better conditions. Congress needs to allocate the money and establish the rules to be followed.

If immigration is legal then we need to stop calling immigrants "illegals." But if immigrants are entering the country illegally then there is nothing wrong with calling them "illegal immigrants."
 
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marke said:
You never saw the invisible God and work and you ignorantly claim God does not work? That is silly.
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You're making the claim there is an invisible god, so it's on you to prove. Thus far we have no evidence of divine intervention on the part of any deities during the course of military conflicts.
 
marke said:
Race should not be an issue in the immigration debate. What are issues which must be dealt with are:

1. Border security.
2. Immigration laws.
3. Funding.
4. Safety.
5. Housing.
6. Jobs.
7. Healthcare.
8. Schooling.
9. Legalization.
10. Unions and worker protections.
11. Crime and punishment.

And so forth.
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Race is the most important thing when it comes to immigration policy. If the people of a country are replaced, then it is no longer the same country.

ultmd said:
Who is "us"?

Please, be specific.

And why do you think any one group holds the right to remain in the majority? Can you show that to me in the Constitution anywhere?
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White Americans. We have a right to stay the majority because we built the country.
 
Risky Thicket said:
You aren't suggesting that there isn't racism in America? I'm a white guy and I certainly can't and wouldn't speak for minorities but from what I see and hear America appears to have a problem with racists and bigots. Are you suggesting that it is wrong to call someone a racist when their speech and behavior are racist?

Have you considered the possibility that there may be more overt racism and bigotry in America than there have been in the recent past? If so, why would it be wrong or inappropriate to speak up and challenge the hatred?
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Of course there is racism in the US. I believe it's very limited. I believe the left is attempting to invent levels that don't exist in a wild attempt to gain relevance and political power.

Everything in their eyes is racist. I did like President Obama's policies. I'm called a racist. I believe a catastrophe is occurring on the Southwest Border. I'm called a racist. I would like to see illegal aliens sent back to where they came from. I'm called a racist.

It's pathetic.

I've believed for many years now that the left, and especially the powers behind the party, are stirring this up on purpose. They want people at each other's throats. They want disharmony and anger.

It's a lie. But people are gullible than I thought possible, and the truly corrupt MSM is playing right along with it.
 
AmNat said:
Race is the most important thing when it comes to immigration policy. If the people of a country are replaced, then it is no longer the same country.



White Americans. We have a right to stay the majority because we built the country.
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The Democratic Party fanatically opposes racial diversity by radical opposition to the legal immigration system - that is designed to bring in people from all over the world for racial, ethnic and regional diversity. The Democratic Party HATES the legal immigration system as it does not bring in all desperately poor Latinos who will demand socialism and ultimately they and their children will vote for socialism.

There is nothing the Democratic Party opposes MORE than racial diversity. The Democratic Party instead demands racial and ethnic segregation for which - as always - rich white Democrats will take care of anyone who isn't pure white for how inferior they see non-whites as.
 
ocean515 said:
Of course there is racism in the US. I believe it's very limited. I believe the left is attempting to invent levels that don't exist in a wild attempt to gain relevance and political power.

Everything in their eyes is racist. I did like President Obama's policies. I'm called a racist. I believe a catastrophe is occurring on the Southwest Border. I'm called a racist. I would like to see illegal aliens sent back to where they came from. I'm called a racist.

It's pathetic.

I've believed for many years now that the left, and especially the powers behind the party, are stirring this up on purpose. They want people at each other's throats. They want disharmony and anger.

It's a lie. But people are gullible than I thought possible, and the truly corrupt MSM is playing right along with it.
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The MSM, press and Internet is OWNED - literally OWNED - by the super rich corporations of the world. The MSM, press and Internet are just their propaganda outlets that incessantly rage and sob for worldwide corporate fascism - and the new progressive corporate fascist Democratic Party is in full agreement.
 
joko104 said:
The Democratic Party fanatically opposes racial diversity by radical opposition to the legal immigration system - that is designed to bring in people from all over the world for racial, ethnic and regional diversity. The Democratic Party HATES the legal immigration system as it does not bring in all desperately poor Latinos who will demand socialism and ultimately they and their children will vote for socialism.

There is nothing the Democratic Party opposes MORE than racial diversity. The Democratic Party instead demands racial and ethnic segregation for which - as always - rich white Democrats will take care of anyone who isn't pure white for how inferior they see non-whites as.
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Ive seen no evidence whatsoever to indicate that the Democrats oppose legal immigration or would like to see it restricted. As for diversity, they seem to be fully on board with bringing in as many non-whites as possible. Their support for segregation is strictly one-way, i.e. they want non-whites to be able to keep whites out, but never vice versa.

It’s true that rich liberals are usually hypocrites (they want to live around white people), but they’d never so much as say that out loud.
 
AmNat said:
Race is the most important thing when it comes to immigration policy. If the people of a country are replaced, then it is no longer the same country.
White Americans. We have a right to stay the majority because we built the country.
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All humans regardless of race have a right to serve God, respect authority and love one another. Democrat racists are not showing the proper love and respect for others, especially republican leaders in the USA.
 
marke said:
All humans regardless of race have a right to serve God, respect authority and love one another. Democrat racists are not showing the proper love and respect for others, especially republican leaders in the USA.
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People don't have a right to migrate to America. Our immigration policy should be based on what benefits our people.
 
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