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    When does racist apology become actual racism?

    This is a serious question, not a troll-bait thread.

    I admit that the public has largely become numb to the constant race-baiting shenanigans of Donald Trump, but the weekend tweetstorm was an appreciable "low". As a result, it generated a number of threads on the forum. Almost immediately - in some cases even preemptively - apologists came on to "defend" the tweets, some in nearly identical language (and certainly with identical intent). Which got me to actually ponder the question posed: When does racist apology become actual racism? How does one distinguish it from racism?

    I recognize that I will get a lot of "responses" from people I have previously dismissed, but I am genuinely interested in thoughtful responses to the question.
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    When does racist apology become actual racism?
    Always. When someone says something that is very clearly overtly racist and then someone makes up a bull**** excuse to defend what was said then that person is defending racism.

    The lions share of racism in our society today is subconscious and indirect. That doesn't change the fact that it is racist.
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    This is a serious question, not a troll-bait thread.

    I admit that the public has largely become numb to the constant race-baiting shenanigans of Donald Trump, but the weekend tweetstorm was an appreciable "low". As a result, it generated a number of threads on the forum. Almost immediately - in some cases even preemptively - apologists came on to "defend" the tweets, some in nearly identical language (and certainly with identical intent). Which got me to actually ponder the question posed: When does racist apology become actual racism? How does one distinguish it from racism?

    I recognize that I will get a lot of "responses" from people I have previously dismissed, but I am genuinely interested in thoughtful responses to the question.
    You would first have to demonstrate why it is that suggesting that someone badmouthing the US should return to their place of origin is racist.

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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    This is a serious question, not a troll-bait thread.

    I admit that the public has largely become numb to the constant race-baiting shenanigans of Donald Trump, but the weekend tweetstorm was an appreciable "low". As a result, it generated a number of threads on the forum. Almost immediately - in some cases even preemptively - apologists came on to "defend" the tweets, some in nearly identical language (and certainly with identical intent). Which got me to actually ponder the question posed: When does racist apology become actual racism? How does one distinguish it from racism?

    I recognize that I will get a lot of "responses" from people I have previously dismissed, but I am genuinely interested in thoughtful responses to the question.
    Please post the definition of racism so the discussion can have a common basis.
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Please post the definition of racism so the discussion can have a common basis.
    Feel free to offer one.
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    This is a serious question, not a troll-bait thread.

    I admit that the public has largely become numb to the constant race-baiting shenanigans of Donald Trump, but the weekend tweetstorm was an appreciable "low". As a result, it generated a number of threads on the forum. Almost immediately - in some cases even preemptively - apologists came on to "defend" the tweets, some in nearly identical language (and certainly with identical intent). Which got me to actually ponder the question posed: When does racist apology become actual racism? How does one distinguish it from racism?

    I recognize that I will get a lot of "responses" from people I have previously dismissed, but I am genuinely interested in thoughtful responses to the question.
    The term 'race baiting' I thought usually applied to the left, like Al Sharpton would be considered a race baiter / race peddler. To be sure, there is political profit in peddling race. One of the hallmarks of race peddling is that there has to be a race one is "against".

    Trump is simply reverse race-baiting. There are other races besides "people of color".

    Trump wouldn't be able to do this if the left's concept of "pro-black" wasn't "anti-white". Since it is anti-white, Trump has an easy time of playing the race game.

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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    This is a serious question, not a troll-bait thread.

    I admit that the public has largely become numb to the constant race-baiting shenanigans of Donald Trump, but the weekend tweetstorm was an appreciable "low". As a result, it generated a number of threads on the forum. Almost immediately - in some cases even preemptively - apologists came on to "defend" the tweets, some in nearly identical language (and certainly with identical intent). Which got me to actually ponder the question posed: When does racist apology become actual racism? How does one distinguish it from racism?

    I recognize that I will get a lot of "responses" from people I have previously dismissed, but I am genuinely interested in thoughtful responses to the question.
    I see no differentiation between racism and racist apology. If one is doing the 'apologising' instead of outright condemning it, the tacit support is clear.

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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You would first have to demonstrate why it is that suggesting that someone badmouthing the US should return to their place of origin is racist.
    Well, when their place of origin is the United States it seems a pretty damn stupid comment, wouldn't you agree? I am of course referring to Trump's latest racist rant concerning four women of various ethnic origins. That man is so stupid it beggars belief.

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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You would first have to demonstrate why it is that suggesting that someone badmouthing the US should return to their place of origin is racist.
    That "place of origin" was the US for 3/4 of those Trump elected to single out (based on race?) and all are US citizens elected to congress. BTW, "badmouthing the US" does not require (or even imply) changing (improving?) the policy of foreign nations.

    Trump flat out screwed up by suggesting that those in congress who have policy disagreements (conflicts?) with his views should leave the US (for any reason). There is simply no way to "TrumpSplain" singling out those particular 4 (non-white?) demorats for special (send them packing?) consideration.
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by NWRatCon View Post
    This is a serious question, not a troll-bait thread.

    I admit that the public has largely become numb to the constant race-baiting shenanigans of Donald Trump, but the weekend tweetstorm was an appreciable "low". As a result, it generated a number of threads on the forum. Almost immediately - in some cases even preemptively - apologists came on to "defend" the tweets, some in nearly identical language (and certainly with identical intent). Which got me to actually ponder the question posed: When does racist apology become actual racism? How does one distinguish it from racism?

    I recognize that I will get a lot of "responses" from people I have previously dismissed, but I am genuinely interested in thoughtful responses to the question.
    Any apologist for racists is racist. That's goes without saying.

    Now, what they do to avoid being called on it is to pretend not to be apologists. Instead of outright being apologist, they use code words like "free speech." Or, they say stupid crap like "Liberal Progressive Socialist propaganda," as if an actual racist tweet by Scumbag in Chief needs spin.

    So, yeah, it's racist to defend racism.
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