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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by j brown's body View Post
    They may not be racist in their beliefs, but they are benefiting from a social structure that is inherently racist.
    The former FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover, said of the Communist goals:
    "Communists seek to advance the cause of communism by injecting themselves into racial situations and in exploiting them, (1) to intensify the frictions between Negroes and Whites to 'prove' that discrimination against the minorities is an inherent defect of the capitalistic system, (2) to foster domestic disunity by dividing Negroes and Whites into antagonistic, warring factions, (3) to undermine and destroy established authority, (4) to incite racial strife and riotous activity, and (6) to portray the Communist movement as the 'champion' of social protest and the only force capable of ameliorating the conditions of the Negro and the oppressed."

    And you wonder why some think the Left is Communist.
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
    And that's supposed to be an excuse?
    An excuse for you to get your story straight.

    Otherwise everything is racist to the Left so, not sure what anyone should apologize for.
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    And like everyone else who responded to my post, you failed to show why the comment is racist.
    When racist is applied to everything, there's no definition.
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
    So why do you think it isn't, when even Trump's friends (e.g Boris Johnson), and leaders of foreign governments, including those of your allies, have condemned Trump for his racism? What do you know that they don't?
    You aren't from here, yet you badmouth the president and the US all the time. If I tell you to go back to your own country is that a racist comment?

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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You aren't from here, yet you badmouth the president and the US all the time. If I tell you to go back to your own country is that a racist comment?
    I'm in my own country, genius. I badmouth racist and insecure little wankers for a pastime, whoever they are and wherever they are. Don't like it? Tough, don't be a racist and we'll get along just fine.
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
    I'm in my own country, genius. I badmouth racist and insecure little wankers for a pastime, whoever they are and wherever they are. Don't like it? Tough, don't be a racist and we'll get along just fine.
    I realize you aren't here. I was trying to draw an analogy that sailed over your head. But since you made the accusation, where is your evidence that I am a racist? Either back up your smear or apologize.

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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I realize you aren't here. I was trying to draw an analogy that sailed over your head. But since you made the accusation, where is your evidence that I am a racist? Either back up your smear or apologize.
    Did I call you a racist? No, I did not, so why so defensive?
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    When does defending a person's right to make racist statements become racism in and of itself? That is a very tricky question especially in a republic which values and protects free speech. To defend a person's right to speech does not necessarily mean one is endorsing that particular speech so to defend a racist's right to free speech is not necessarily defending/promoting racism and thus being a auxiliary racist.

    The key, as always in such tricky situations, is to suss out motive and then to use the motive to determine whether such "defence" is racist by extension or not. And there is the rub. Proving motive is very difficult and a clever speaker can often disguise or obscure their motives for making what many might consider a racist statement. This makes it difficult to outright condemn a person for defending another speaker's apparent racist statements.

    The best way around the motive issue is pattern recognition. If a speaker over an extended period of time has a pattern of making what their society defines as racist public statements then defending that person becomes much more difficult and the case for equating that defence with auxiliary racism becomes much stronger.

    Mr. Trump has a long and shameful pedigree of making racist statements and acts stretching from 1973 and his attempts to bar people of colour rentals in his properties to his most recent tweets regarding the four congress-women 46 years later. Therefore defence of Mr. Trump's statements and motives carries with it a far higher probability of being condemned as an auxiliary racist than others without his long racist pedigree.

    Finally a cautionary note. Racism is endemic and subconscious racism is in many of us. I am racist at times but never am I proud of it when I realize what I am doing or saying that is racist. I also refuse to abjure racist history and facts and get angry when people attempt to clean-up (I almost typed white-wash!) history and to deny their common past. Racism is old and very well established at some level in ourselves and our societies, no matter how well disguised it is in just about all of us. We can't deny that or we deny who we really are, warts and all. We must always struggle against racist behaviour but we must also recognise it for what it is and understand that it may erupt out of others who might not be proud of such eruptions either. To borrow from Islam, we must wage the greater Jihad within ourselves, to better control our baser natures and we must try to recognise that not all who mispeak or utter racist ideas are being consciously racist. That realisation should temper our enthusiasm to condemn others out of hand concerning racism unless there is clear motive or a patten of estabilished behaviour to base such accusations upon.

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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    When does defending a person's right to make racist statements become racism in and of itself? That is a very tricky question especially in a republic which values and protects free speech. To defend a person's right to speech does not necessarily mean one is endorsing that particular speech so to defend a racist's right to free speech is not necessarily defending/promoting racism and thus being a auxiliary racist.

    The key, as always in such tricky situations is to suss out motive and then to use the motive to determine whether such Defense is racist by extension or not. And there is the rub. Proving motive is very difficult and a clever speaker can often disguise or obscure their motives for making what many might consider a racist statement. This makes it difficult to outright condemn a person for defending another speakers apparent racist statements.

    The best way around the motive issue is pattern recognition. If a speaker over an extended period of time has a pattern of making what their society defines as racist public statements then defending that person becomes much more difficult and the case for equating that defence with auxiliary racism becomes much stronger.

    Mr. Trump has a long and shameful pedigree of making racist statements and acts stretching from 1973 and his attempts to bar people of colour rentals in his properties to his most recent tweets regarding the four congress women 46 years later. Therefore defence of Mr. Trump's statements and motives carries with it a far higher probability of being condemned as an auxiliary racist than others without his long racist pedigree.

    Finally a cautionary note. Racism is endemic and subconscious racism is in many of us. I am racist at times but never am I proud of it when I realize what I am doing or saying that is racist. I also refuse to abjure racist history and facts and get angry when people attempt to clean-up (I almost typed white-wash!) history and to deny their common past. Racism is old and very well established at some level in our selves and our societies, no matter how well disguised it is in just about all of us. We can't deny that or we deny who we really are. We must always struggle against it but also recognise it for what it is and understand that it may erupt out of others who might not be proud of such eruptions either. To borrow from Islam, we must wage the greater Jihad within ourselves to better control our baser natures and we must try to recognise that not all who mispeak or utter racist ideas are being consciously racist. That realisation should temper our enthusiasm to condemn others out of hand concerning racism unless there is clear motive or a patten of estabilished behaviour to base such accusations upon.

    Cheers.
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    I think it's as simple as not openly condemning clear racism, but dancing around, pointing elsewhere, deflecting and doing everything but. If you don't condemn racism you tacitly support it. There is no other rationale. I do understand your well-reasoned post.
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    Re: When does racist apology become actual racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
    Did I call you a racist? No, I did not, so why so defensive?
    You did, but in a cowardly, backhanded way. I wont wait around for you to man up and admit it. I haven't got that kind of time.

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