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Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

DiAnna said:
I will vote for Biden if he is the nominee; my favorite is Amy Klobuchar, but she apparently doesn't have the "charisma" the progressive wing of the party is looking for.
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She also just sounds kinda unintelligent and mean.
 
nekrodev said:
Sanders supporters would never vote for Trump over a Democratic candidate who won fairly. And, it's just as likely that Biden gets shoved down all of our throats, and we don't get either Bernie or Warren.
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Bernie wasn't exactly an honest democratic candidate, either.

But I agree with you about Biden. Of all the candidates he's the one I like the least. I never cared for Warren but she's starting to look pretty good.
 
nekrodev said:
It's funny, because we hope all the lame ass centrist, establishment pricks have learned theirs.
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Not if Biden is their man, they haven't.
 
nekrodev said:
It's weird, it's almost like we expected "Hope and Change" for 8 years, and got "More of the Same" instead, so now we're looking at the people who have a bit more substance, instead of cliches.
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Obamacare was a huge change. Saving the economy inspite of republican obstacles was a major thing. But still, Obama was too much of a pragmatist on most issues and lame on foreign policy and could've done more for the left that voted him into office.
 
Moot said:
Wanna bet?

"...A May 2016 poll, during one of the more heated portions of the Democratic primary between Hillary Clinton and Sanders, from ABC and Washington Post found 20% of Sanders voters also supported Trump.

Clinton was later able to consolidate Democratic support behind her -- another ABC/Washington Post poll released days before November 2016's vote showed 8% of former Sanders supporters planned to vote for Trump in that election.

Even with that consolidation, CNN's exit polling from the 2016 election showed she lost 8% of Democratic voters to Trump and about 10% of liberal voters -- Sanders' main base of support -- also went for Trump...."

The Trump-Bernie voters from 2016 are nearly non-existent now - CNNPolitics​

All I can say is I hope they learned their lesson.
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The only lesson the criminal Democrats learned is to cheat differently; Harris will be handed the nomination, and will lose to Trump.

Ginned up liberal/Democrat hysteria over Hideous Hillary's loss?

Not a genuine crisis beyond the lunatic fantasies of the Hideous Hillbots and their cynical plutocrat masters.

As far as these polls... :roll:

Many Democrats voted for Trump - of course - but I don't know of a single Sanders supporter who did.

2016 was the year of people lying like rugs to the pollsters.
 
nekrodev said:
It honestly sounds like Biden is your man. He's definitely the furthest right of the current candidates - he's virtually a Republican.
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There are people further right...
 
Moot said:
If I had to chose, I think prefer Warren to Sanders. The question is, will Sanders die hard supporters vote for Trump again if Warren wins the nomination.?
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Bernie Bro's, by and large, were a myth.

Moreover, defections from a primary to general election are common. More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016; about 13 percent of Trump’s 2016 voters also voted for Barack Obama in 2012.

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DiAnna said:
I am not a Tulsi Gabbard fan. I hope I don't have to vote for her.
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Oh - I assumed you meant her...

Can't be Williamson...

Klobuchar!

She was not unimpressive in the debates, but her personal management style - :eek: - will do her in along with seeming too generic, and of course not being the pre-chosen one: Kamala Harris
 
Moot said:
I think his supporters are still hoping Trump will drain the swamp. lol
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President Donald Trump has lost more of his Cabinet secretaries to corruption and other ethics concerns in his first term than any other president in U.S. history.

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poweRob said:
Bernie Bro's, by and large, were a myth.

Moreover, defections from a primary to general election are common. More voters went from Hillary Clinton to John McCain in 2008 than went from Sanders to Trump in 2016; about 13 percent of Trump’s 2016 voters also voted for Barack Obama in 2012.

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Not buying the poll numbers, but the whole Bernie Bro thing was a disgusting rerun of something the Hillbot Gang tried against Obama.

HRC = Nixon in a pantsuit
 
I think Elizabeth Warren will be our next president and if not president then vice president. The time is ripe for a woman to be elected to the highest office in the country. Tell you one thing, there won't be anyone in the shadows waiting to come forward accusing her of sexual assault, won't be any in the future either. There will be no hush money payouts or hidden marital affairs. I think the country is ready for someone that it can respect as a human being again and not be forced to overlook the sleaze factor in our president.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Not buying the poll numbers, but the whole Bernie Bro thing was a disgusting rerun of something the Hillbot Gang tried against Obama.

HRC = Nixon in a pantsuit
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Yeah... disagree.
 
3leftsdoo said:
The only lesson the criminal Democrats learned is to cheat differently; Harris will be handed the nomination, and will lose to Trump.

Ginned up liberal/Democrat hysteria over Hideous Hillary's loss?

Not a genuine crisis beyond the lunatic fantasies of the Hideous Hillbots and their cynical plutocrat masters.

As far as these polls... :roll:

Many Democrats voted for Trump - of course - but I don't know of a single Sanders supporter who did.

2016 was the year of people lying like rugs to the pollsters.
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Oh my, did I hit a nerve?

Sander supporters that voted for Trump seem to have gone dark. Whatever happened to Susan Sarandon?

Protest all you like, Susan Sarandon. In effect you work for Trump | Life and style | The Guardian

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0544275acd21

Meow.
 
poweRob said:
Yeah... disagree.
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With what?

Your own views?

That the polls of 2016 were wildly inaccurate? (See Brexit, etc.)

That Clinton was a Nixon-level horror show?
 
Moot said:
Oh my, did I hit a nerve?

Sander supporters that voted for Trump seem to have gone dark. Whatever happened to Susan Sarandon?

Protest all you like, Susan Sarandon. In effect you work for Trump | Life and style | The Guardian

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0544275acd21

Meow.
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No, but irrelevant ad hom. :)

So NOT voting for/supporting Trump = Voting for Trump

In the Bizarro world of liberals/Democrats, does up = down, & night = day?

And by the way: attempting to shame voters who did not support the rape-champion, anti-feminist, warmonger Clinton - the worst major candidate since Nixon - is a losing strategy.

Unless you want 4 more years of Trump.

So I guess by your logic, you'll be voting for Trump in 2020.

Arf.
 
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Moot said:
Not if Biden is their man, they haven't.
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This is why it's far important to rally the base than worry about the middle.

These Sanders supporters that went for Trump were swing voters. They are a perfect example how shaky it is to rely on swing voters as opposed to ones base to win an election

Republicans worry whether they've gotten every last from their base as was possible, while Democrats spend all their time worrying about squirelly swing voters, who might dump them at the first shiny thing from the other side.
 
MovingPictures said:
I think the reason the center lefties are rising is due to moderates like Pelosi and Biden getting steam rolled by Republican leaders for decades. The center left candidates are running on a message of retalation to McConnelism and Trumpism, and we are seeing a rise in support for that.
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The way I see it, is:

"Decades of appeasement got us nothing, so what's to lose?"
 
Jay59 said:
Younger but not young. Warren is older than either Trump or Hillary in 2016.

There is no way Warren is not taking a chunk of Bernie's support. The real question is how long he holds out support she needs.



This too.
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I think after Trump's rise in 2016, and with Warren being so close in ideology, Bernie would throw everything he could at her to help - should she take the lead.
 
Moot said:
Obamacare was a huge change. Saving the economy inspite of republican obstacles was a major thing. But still, Obama was too much of a pragmatist on most issues and lame on foreign policy and could've done more for the left that voted him into office.
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Obamacare was a half measure, because Obama, and most of the Dems in Congress are establishment shills who don't care about actually helping people, they just care more about not looking like hateful assholes than the Republicans. I'm glad that, nearly 30 years after it's original proposal, by Republicans and centrist Dems, that the Republican healthcare plan was passed xD
 
Moot said:
Wanna bet?

"...A May 2016 poll, during one of the more heated portions of the Democratic primary between Hillary Clinton and Sanders, from ABC and Washington Post found 20% of Sanders voters also supported Trump.

Clinton was later able to consolidate Democratic support behind her -- another ABC/Washington Post poll released days before November 2016's vote showed 8% of former Sanders supporters planned to vote for Trump in that election.

Even with that consolidation, CNN's exit polling from the 2016 election showed she lost 8% of Democratic voters to Trump and about 10% of liberal voters -- Sanders' main base of support -- also went for Trump...."

The Trump-Bernie voters from 2016 are nearly non-existent now - CNNPolitics​


All I can say is I hope they learned their lesson.
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I'm sure they have! :doh
 
MovingPictures said:
This is why it's far important to rally the base than worry about the middle.

These Sanders supporters that went for Trump were swing voters. They are a perfect example how shaky it is to rely on swing voters as opposed to ones base to win an election

Republicans worry whether they've gotten every last from their base as was possible, while Democrats spend all their time worrying about squirelly swing voters, who might dump them at the first shiny thing from the other side.
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I'm not even sure who the middle are anymore.

Just because we're discussing it in this thread doesn't mean democrats are spending all their time worried about Bernies swing voters. Not sure if there's that many of Bernie die hard supporters left to make a difference in either the nomination or the election But if Warren wins the nomination they've already declared they're going to vote for Trump...again.

5 Weird Items In The New Bernie-Buttigieg Poll



Anywho....Democrat candidates should be more worried about the Black vote. They didn't come out in droves for Hillary like they did for Obama. And Biden was Obama's VP.
 
Moot said:
Oh my, did I hit a nerve?

Sander supporters that voted for Trump seem to have gone dark. Whatever happened to Susan Sarandon?

Protest all you like, Susan Sarandon. In effect you work for Trump | Life and style | The Guardian

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0544275acd21

Meow.
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wow, you talking about hitting a nerve, but then you're posting literal journalistic meltdowns because someone didn't vote for Hillary, jesus. As if Susan Sarandon's vote changed the electoral results in her ENTIRELY BLUE DISTRICT lmfao

Hillary and the establishment lost 2016 because they didn't pay attention to the people, and instead tried to shove forward someone that was not well-liked, and didn't even try to campaign as if they cared. Even now, there are only about 3 Dem candidates who are going to the places that gave Trump his victory and actually telling those people they care about their issues, too. And, of course, the establishment hates all of them, instead, we'll get Creepy Uncle Joe or Copmala.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm sure they have! :doh
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I'm not sure they have....

"....26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.

While many have assumed that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren appeal to a similar progressive voter, many apparent Bernie supporters would seem to disagree. More than one-in-four of them say they would rather vote for Donald Trump’s second term instead of voting for Elizabeth Warren. In the overall head-to-head between Warren and Trump, voters suggest that they would prefer Trump 52% to Warren 48%...."

5 Weird Items In The New Bernie-Buttigieg Poll​
 
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