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    Re: Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Oh my, did I hit a nerve?

    Sander supporters that voted for Trump seem to have gone dark. Whatever happened to Susan Sarandon?

    Protest all you like, Susan Sarandon. In effect you work for Trump | Life and style | The Guardian

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0544275acd21

    Meow.
    No, but irrelevant ad hom.

    So NOT voting for/supporting Trump = Voting for Trump

    In the Bizarro world of liberals/Democrats, does up = down, & night = day?

    And by the way: attempting to shame voters who did not support the rape-champion, anti-feminist, warmonger Clinton - the worst major candidate since Nixon - is a losing strategy.

    Unless you want 4 more years of Trump.

    So I guess by your logic, you'll be voting for Trump in 2020.

    Arf.
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    Re: Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Not if Biden is their man, they haven't.
    This is why it's far important to rally the base than worry about the middle.

    These Sanders supporters that went for Trump were swing voters. They are a perfect example how shaky it is to rely on swing voters as opposed to ones base to win an election

    Republicans worry whether they've gotten every last from their base as was possible, while Democrats spend all their time worrying about squirelly swing voters, who might dump them at the first shiny thing from the other side.

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    Re: Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by MovingPictures View Post
    I think the reason the center lefties are rising is due to moderates like Pelosi and Biden getting steam rolled by Republican leaders for decades. The center left candidates are running on a message of retalation to McConnelism and Trumpism, and we are seeing a rise in support for that.
    The way I see it, is:

    "Decades of appeasement got us nothing, so what's to lose?"
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    Re: Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Which is "man-speak" for not pretty enough and too strong-willed.
    Nah, I love Warren and Gabbard. I'm just not a fan of people who throw random fits and eat salads with a hair comb.

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    Re: Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay59 View Post
    Younger but not young. Warren is older than either Trump or Hillary in 2016.

    There is no way Warren is not taking a chunk of Bernie's support. The real question is how long he holds out support she needs.



    This too.
    I think after Trump's rise in 2016, and with Warren being so close in ideology, Bernie would throw everything he could at her to help - should she take the lead.
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    Re: Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Obamacare was a huge change. Saving the economy inspite of republican obstacles was a major thing. But still, Obama was too much of a pragmatist on most issues and lame on foreign policy and could've done more for the left that voted him into office.
    Obamacare was a half measure, because Obama, and most of the Dems in Congress are establishment shills who don't care about actually helping people, they just care more about not looking like hateful assholes than the Republicans. I'm glad that, nearly 30 years after it's original proposal, by Republicans and centrist Dems, that the Republican healthcare plan was passed xD

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    Re: Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Wanna bet?

    "...A May 2016 poll, during one of the more heated portions of the Democratic primary between Hillary Clinton and Sanders, from ABC and Washington Post found 20% of Sanders voters also supported Trump.

    Clinton was later able to consolidate Democratic support behind her -- another ABC/Washington Post poll released days before November 2016's vote showed 8% of former Sanders supporters planned to vote for Trump in that election.

    Even with that consolidation, CNN's exit polling from the 2016 election showed she lost 8% of Democratic voters to Trump and about 10% of liberal voters -- Sanders' main base of support -- also went for Trump...."

    The Trump-Bernie voters from 2016 are nearly non-existent now - CNNPolitics


    All I can say is I hope they learned their lesson.
    I'm sure they have!
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    Re: Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by MovingPictures View Post
    This is why it's far important to rally the base than worry about the middle.

    These Sanders supporters that went for Trump were swing voters. They are a perfect example how shaky it is to rely on swing voters as opposed to ones base to win an election

    Republicans worry whether they've gotten every last from their base as was possible, while Democrats spend all their time worrying about squirelly swing voters, who might dump them at the first shiny thing from the other side.
    I'm not even sure who the middle are anymore.

    Just because we're discussing it in this thread doesn't mean democrats are spending all their time worried about Bernies swing voters. Not sure if there's that many of Bernie die hard supporters left to make a difference in either the nomination or the election But if Warren wins the nomination they've already declared they're going to vote for Trump...again.

    5 Weird Items In The New Bernie-Buttigieg Poll



    Anywho....Democrat candidates should be more worried about the Black vote. They didn't come out in droves for Hillary like they did for Obama. And Biden was Obama's VP.

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    Re: Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Oh my, did I hit a nerve?

    Sander supporters that voted for Trump seem to have gone dark. Whatever happened to Susan Sarandon?

    Protest all you like, Susan Sarandon. In effect you work for Trump | Life and style | The Guardian

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0544275acd21

    Meow.
    wow, you talking about hitting a nerve, but then you're posting literal journalistic meltdowns because someone didn't vote for Hillary, jesus. As if Susan Sarandon's vote changed the electoral results in her ENTIRELY BLUE DISTRICT lmfao

    Hillary and the establishment lost 2016 because they didn't pay attention to the people, and instead tried to shove forward someone that was not well-liked, and didn't even try to campaign as if they cared. Even now, there are only about 3 Dem candidates who are going to the places that gave Trump his victory and actually telling those people they care about their issues, too. And, of course, the establishment hates all of them, instead, we'll get Creepy Uncle Joe or Copmala.

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    Re: Will Elizabeth Warren's candidancy hurt Sanders in the primaries?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I'm sure they have!
    I'm not sure they have....

    "....26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.

    While many have assumed that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren appeal to a similar progressive voter, many apparent Bernie supporters would seem to disagree. More than one-in-four of them say they would rather vote for Donald Trump’s second term instead of voting for Elizabeth Warren. In the overall head-to-head between Warren and Trump, voters suggest that they would prefer Trump 52% to Warren 48%...."

    5 Weird Items In The New Bernie-Buttigieg Poll

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