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Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

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Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.

He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.

What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?

This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
 
If he pays high enough, he'll get a worker.
 
Luckyone said:
Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.

He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.

What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?

This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
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Then those children were soft, or didn't really need a job. Nothing more.
 
Luckyone said:
Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.

He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.

What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?

This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
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Why are you referring to "Americans" as only white people?
 
Chomsky said:
If he pays high enough, he'll get a worker.
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I think that ALL of the Dairy Workers here in New Zealand are white people... almost literally. At least where I have been and seen.
 
Luckyone said:
Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.

He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.

What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?

This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
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$12/hour (under $25K/year) for doing such a physically demanding job with absolutely no chance for advancement/promotion is simply too low. That represents the lowest end (or less) of the payscale for a framing carpenter.

Carpenter Hourly Pay | PayScale

One could make that much (or more) working for a lawn service company and have more promotional potential. It is also far more resonable to expect a lawn service worker to be able to transition themselves into a self-employment situation than for a dairy farm worker to do so.

Lawn Care Worker Hourly Pay | PayScale
 
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Chomsky said:
If he pays high enough, he'll get a worker.
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Sure he will but then again he would have to pay "all his other workers" the same and that is where problems begin with making ends meet. He would have to raise his prices and he would be less competitive and could even go out of business ultimately.

If it was that easy to just raise wages and raise prices.
 
Oborosen said:
Then those children were soft, or didn't really need a job. Nothing more.
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Why don't you apply for the job. You think you are up to doing it and therefore back up your words?
 
Luckyone said:
Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.

He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.

What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?

This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
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If the farmer is a democrat he can hook up with a democrat politician to plug into generous government farm subsidy welfare programs and make more money that way than if he went to the trouble of farming.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why are you referring to "Americans" as only white people?
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You have a point but then again:

There are now 42 million people who identify as Black or African American living in America, making up 12% of the total population. According to the most recent American Community Survey, the Black population in Minnesota is 305,403 – at 5.6% of the total population of Minnesota.Dec 9, 2018

The man in the video suggested that only white people applied.
 
Luckyone said:
Why don't you apply for the job. You think you are up to doing it and therefore back up your words?
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Because other (easier) jobs (with more advancement potential) pay as much or more.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
$12/hour (under $25K/year) for doing such a physically demanding job with absolutely no chance for advancement/promotion is simply too low. That represents the lowest end (or less) of the payscale for a framing carpenter.

Carpenter Hourly Pay | PayScale

One could make that much (or more) working for a lawn service company and have more promotional potential. It is also far more resonable to expect a lawn service worker to be able to transition themselves into a self-employment situation than for a dairy farm worker to do so.

Lawn Care Worker Hourly Pay | PayScale
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Thank you, you made my point why Americans are not wiling to do farm work and why immigrants or even illegal aliens are needed to keep our farming industry from disappearing.

The average wage for an agricultural worker in the United States is around $10.71 per hour.
 
Luckyone said:
Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.
He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.
What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?
This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
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I didn't watch the video btw, but ...

that means all the non-white Americans that applied accepted the jobs. Correct?
 
marke said:
If the farmer is a democrat he can hook up with a democrat politician to plug into generous government farm subsidy welfare programs and make more money that way than if he went to the trouble of farming.
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A $12 Billion Program to Help Farmers Stung by Trump’s Trade War Has Aided Few - The New York Times

WASHINGTON — America’s farmers have been shut out of foreign markets, hit with retaliatory tariffs and lost lucrative contracts in the face of President Trump’s trade war. But a $12 billion bailout program Mr. Trump created to “make it up” to farmers has done little to cushion the blow, with red tape and long waiting periods resulting in few payouts so far.
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Luckyone said:
Thank you, you made my point why Americans are not wiling to do farm work and why immigrants or even illegal aliens are needed to keep our farming industry from disappearing.

The average wage for an agricultural worker in the United States is around $10.71 per hour.
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If any 'industry' can afford to pay no more than $10.71/hour (average) then a $15 federal MW mandate would surely wipe that 'industry' out. If any US 'industry' depends on importing third world labor (and federal subsides?) then it deserves to go extinct.
 
Barnacle said:
I didn't watch the video btw, but ...

that means all the non-white Americans that applied accepted the jobs. Correct?
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No, he was unable to fill the job. No one wanted it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
If any 'industry' can afford to pay no more than $10.71/hour (average) then a $15 federal MW mandate would surely wipe that 'industry' out. If any US 'industry' depends on importing third world labor (and federal subsides?) then it deserves to go extinct.
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Tell it to the farmers and the marketplace. That is what Capitalism is. Make the most money with the least cost while it can be done.
 
Luckyone said:
No, he was unable to fill the job. No one wanted it.
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Legal immigrants like Somalis and Latinos didn't even apply?!? In that case, tell the farmer to shut down his business. It'll be picked up by larger co-ops and the farmer can always apply for "re-education" programs through the government. Hillary said it's easy-peasy.
 
Luckyone said:
Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.

He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.

What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?

This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
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Reinstate welfare to work and see what happens. :cool:
 
Luckyone said:
Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.

He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.

What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?

This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
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A "peon job"?

Oh the humanity!

These jobs are stepping stone jobs. Bump the pay a bit and the employers will get the workers who are both legally here, and free to apply
 
Luckyone said:
Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.

He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.

What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?

This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
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12 dollars an hour for a physically demanding job with no chance of advancement is really low pay. If the farmer ups the pay enough he will find American citizens to do that job.
 
Luckyone said:
Tell it to the farmers and the marketplace. That is what Capitalism is. Make the most money with the least cost while it can be done.
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That does not seem to be what you are telling them (or us) - you seem to be saying that US 'farmers' should be permitted to use third world labor simply to avoid paying wages/benefits sufficient to attract and retain US workers with other employment options.
 
Luckyone said:
Sure he will but then again he would have to pay "all his other workers" the same and that is where problems begin with making ends meet. He would have to raise his prices and he would be less competitive and could even go out of business ultimately.

If it was that easy to just raise wages and raise prices.
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I have great respect for independent proprietor-owned farmers. I admire their self-reliant individualism, and their ability to make a living off the land. And I'm somewhat aware of the variables involved.

But I'm attempting to do objective economic analysis. And during normal times in a free-market environment, if our farmer can't get adequate workers at 12 bucks an hour, he needs to raise his wages or provide other benefits and/or conditions & terms. If he can't do that within his cost structure, his business model is simply not working for him.

I'm not making a value judgement here, but simply stating economic principles. Pay well enough, you'll get workers. I know more than a few workers that dislike their jobs/employers/employees/bosses, but they do a reasonable job for an extended period because they get paid well enough that it's worth sticking around for awhile. That's life.
 
marke said:
If the farmer is a democrat he can hook up with a democrat politician to plug into generous government farm subsidy welfare programs and make more money that way than if he went to the trouble of farming.
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Actually, you would be speaking of Trump & soybeans here.
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, you would be speaking of Trump & soybeans here.
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LBJ had a pretty lucrative deal going on under the table involving the Agriculture Department and coconspirators like Mac Wallace, Billie Sol Estes and Bobby Baker. Fortunately for LBJ, JFK was assassinated just in time for LBJ to shut down the Senate investigation into his criminal dealings.
 
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