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    Re: Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.

    He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.

    What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?

    This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
    12 dollars an hour for a physically demanding job with no chance of advancement is really low pay. If the farmer ups the pay enough he will find American citizens to do that job.
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    Re: Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Tell it to the farmers and the marketplace. That is what Capitalism is. Make the most money with the least cost while it can be done.
    That does not seem to be what you are telling them (or us) - you seem to be saying that US 'farmers' should be permitted to use third world labor simply to avoid paying wages/benefits sufficient to attract and retain US workers with other employment options.
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    Re: Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Sure he will but then again he would have to pay "all his other workers" the same and that is where problems begin with making ends meet. He would have to raise his prices and he would be less competitive and could even go out of business ultimately.

    If it was that easy to just raise wages and raise prices.
    I have great respect for independent proprietor-owned farmers. I admire their self-reliant individualism, and their ability to make a living off the land. And I'm somewhat aware of the variables involved.

    But I'm attempting to do objective economic analysis. And during normal times in a free-market environment, if our farmer can't get adequate workers at 12 bucks an hour, he needs to raise his wages or provide other benefits and/or conditions & terms. If he can't do that within his cost structure, his business model is simply not working for him.

    I'm not making a value judgement here, but simply stating economic principles. Pay well enough, you'll get workers. I know more than a few workers that dislike their jobs/employers/employees/bosses, but they do a reasonable job for an extended period because they get paid well enough that it's worth sticking around for awhile. That's life.
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    Re: Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    If the farmer is a democrat he can hook up with a democrat politician to plug into generous government farm subsidy welfare programs and make more money that way than if he went to the trouble of farming.
    Actually, you would be speaking of Trump & soybeans here.
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    Re: Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Actually, you would be speaking of Trump & soybeans here.
    LBJ had a pretty lucrative deal going on under the table involving the Agriculture Department and coconspirators like Mac Wallace, Billie Sol Estes and Bobby Baker. Fortunately for LBJ, JFK was assassinated just in time for LBJ to shut down the Senate investigation into his criminal dealings.

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    Re: Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    A "peon job"?

    Oh the humanity!

    These jobs are stepping stone jobs. Bump the pay a bit and the employers will get the workers who are both legally here, and free to apply
    With the possible exception of promotion to foreman (given a large enough operation), what career path is available to a farm laborer at a family farm? Not beating on you here, but this city-boy is not aware.
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    Re: Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    LBJ had a pretty lucrative deal going on under the table involving the Agriculture Department and coconspirators like Mac Wallace, Billie Sol Estes and Bobby Baker. Fortunately for LBJ, JFK was assassinated just in time for LBJ to shut down the Senate investigation into his criminal dealings.
    Well that may - or may not - be, and I thank you for the historical footnote. But the last I looked, the name on the White House stationary said:

    "President Donald J. Trump"
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    Re: Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I have great respect for independent proprietor-owned farmers. I admire their self-reliant individualism, and their ability to make a living off the land. And I'm somewhat aware of the variables involved.

    But I'm attempting to do objective economic analysis. And during normal times in a free-market environment, if our farmer can't get adequate workers at 12 bucks an hour, he needs to raise his wages or provide other benefits and/or conditions & terms. If he can't do that within his cost structure, his business model is simply not working for him.

    I'm not making a value judgement here, but simply stating economic principles. Pay well enough, you'll get workers. I know more than a few workers that dislike their jobs/employers/employees/bosses, but they do a reasonable job for an extended period because they get paid well enough that it's worth sticking around for awhile. That's life.
    I'll just pass along some anecdotal information from the dairy farmers near me. Their industry is cut throat with very low margins, and the problem with "raise your pay and you'll get workers" is there are millions of recent immigrants, many of them illegals, and if your business pays $18/hour to get someone to show up 7 days a week and work a hard job, then you will go bankrupt, because those other guys are hiring illegals paying them $10 plus a little mobile home.

    We had a long discussion with one dairy farm owner who leased a couple fields for a dove hunt to make a little extra, and he said the biggest problem for him is the local good old boys just weren't reliable. They'd take the job, work a few weeks or months, figure out it's really demanding, get drunk one Saturday night, skip their Sunday shift leaving him in a bind, because the cows can't wait, and never show up again. The 'illegals' worked when they said they would. He offered several families on-site lodging and if dad was sick, the kids did the job, or momma, but the job GOT DONE very reliably. So his entire crew was recent immigrants and he didn't care if they were legal or not - they made the place WORK.

    So the pay thing works when the industry is cleaned up, but not when you're one dairy farm, and you're competing with 100 others in the area. It's one reason why I think you'll agree, because I'm pretty sure you've said so many times, the 'immigration' issue that needs addressing more than any other is holding illegal EMPLOYERS accountable. Even if the subject in the documentary wants to do the right thing, he cannot and keep his dairy farm.

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    Re: Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Here is a video of a farm owner in Minnesota and the problems he has had trying to get people to fill the job positions that he is offering.

    He is offering $12 an hour in pay (decent for a peon job) and all the white Americans that have applied have said it is not something they want to do. It is "too hard" for them.

    What is he to do if Americans don't want the job?

    This is how hard it is to find workers for a dairy farm - CNN Video
    Sorry but having married into a farm family (my first marriage) I am calling BS, PARTIAL BS.

    1. He advertised on Craigslist? HAHAHAHA OMG!
    Here is the Craigslist Help Wanted "General Labor" page from St. Cloud MN, which is where he most likely placed his ad...
    Take a look at the kinds of JOBS being offered.

    2. There are only THREE "FARM HELP" ads and I bet this ad right here is likely HIS ad:

    Farm help - general labor - job employment

    3. Farmers don't generally hire off Craigslist, is my point. Three farm operators are asking for help but what MOST farmers do is go into town and put up notices on the board at the local feed stores. That's where FARMER types are likely to go if they're looking to get hired on a farm.
    That's the way it is, that's the way it's always been.

    He says he interviewed twenty-five people. I'm betting that most of them were from St. Cloud, a city of 70 thousand people, most of whom normally work in finance, medical/healthcare, bus and truck/trailer assembly & manufacturing, warehousing and distribution and Electrolux. (the vacuum cleaner company)
    The Saint Cloud VA Medical Center also employs 1300 people.

    I'm betting most of those St. Cloud kids have never worked on a farm in their lives.

    That doesn't discount his point or the point of the story but the point being overlooked is, American employers who use unskilled labor have been addicted to cheap illegal immigrant labor for DECADES. I don't just mean in the last ten years, I'm saying they've been addicted to it for fifty years.

    There are plenty of local born and bred American people who WILL do this hard work, but I suspect most of those people are already employed on all the other farms in the surrounding area and don't want to leave their present jobs. Minnesota's farming business is and always has been very robust and there has always been a lot of demand for extra help up there.
    Minnesota's dairy industry is every bit as legendary as Wisconsin's (America's Dairyland)
    And from the looks of it Pat Lunemann is probably the top milk producer in the state or close to it, so I imagine his dairy farm is probably enormous.

    And it sounds like there is more to the story, because I wager not only is he short on help due to the immigration situation, I bet he is perennially short of help all year round. And if he is advertising on Craigslist, he must be desperate.
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    Re: Interesting video and article about Farm Jobs and how Americans do not want them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Sure he will but then again he would have to pay "all his other workers" the same and that is where problems begin with making ends meet. He would have to raise his prices and he would be less competitive and could even go out of business ultimately.

    If it was that easy to just raise wages and raise prices.
    Twin Eagle Dairy is not a tiny operation. He has almost a thousand cows.
    That tells me he's probably a supplier for supermarket chains.
    Also, dairy farming has been on price support for thirty years because milk prices are part of a USDA farm subsidy program.
    Without those milk subsidies 75 percent of ALL dairy farms in the entire country would be belly up.
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