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bluesmoke said:
While what you say is true, the continued debt growth under Clinton is hardly significant. The economic expansion was considerable though the cost was low but for the recession that followed therefrom early in the Bush2 years. Debt under Clinton rose at a lower percentage rate, less than 1% per year, than under the other presidents in the comparison shown. The other presidents didn't even have a "brief" period of balanced budget.
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There is no arguing the fact that the hate party is the deficit party, There is only one reason that deficit spending should happen and that is when you have to bail out the country after the Bush/hate party policy that all but destroys our economy and country. The right wing policy all to the top makes for a loosing economy that's why the results for the Democrats bury the results of the hate party for the last 60 years. In every aspect- No one year comparison haters. Over 60 years.
 
jbander said:
There is no arguing the fact that the hate party is the deficit party, There is only one reason that deficit spending should happen and that is when you have to bail out the country after the Bush/hate party policy that all but destroys our economy and country. The right wing policy all to the top makes for a loosing economy that's why the results for the Democrats bury the results of the hate party for the last 60 years. In every aspect- No one year comparison haters. Over 60 years.
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I wonder at your use of the singular article, because both parties qualify on both counts. Perhaps Democrats a bit more than Republicans, but that's a quibble.

Your economic arguments make little sense. If the only reason for a deficit is an emergency, you have covered 2009 and arguably 2010. That leaves the second and fourth largest deficits in history unaccounted. It might help if the so called Stimulus was not 80% pork. Repaying campaign favors so obviously was pretty cheeky, but he lied about ACA as well.
 
jbander said:
The thread is not about anything other then what my point was and that is that Quote"“Buddy you have no idea what your talking about, The president vetoes it and that is almost always the end of it. Congress can do nothing.They need 2/3 to override which is right next to impossible. Look at the numbers and keep your bull****,” 100% accurate. 1% OVER RIDE IS JUST WHAT I SAID "“The president vetoes it and that is almost always the end of it. Congress can do nothing.They need 2/3 to override which is right next to impossible."
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Well, got your facts wrong again, they overrode 7% of vetoes when they were in session, (you can look that up) again using YOUR logic, when congress votes that the end of it after all the president only vetoed 7.5% of the bills presented to him and was overridden 7% of the time. Really you should do some research.
 
marke said:
Lefties rewrite American history because they want the history to say America was once a heathen nation that modern Christians are only now seeking to change for the worse. Maybe that was what Obama thought when he proposed to bring hope and change to America. Maybe he was tired of the ungodliness and filth and intended to bring in new Christian influence in its place for the better.
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Yes and that's the exact point. No way in hell that I want a fake christian that would elect the piece of **** that the right did, to be the Christian influence in this country. You need a lesson in reality, the born again Nazi wannabees that vote and support the piece of **** is the last group of people to bring their fake Christianity into our government .It wouldn't happen anyway the influence would be Catholic then Baptist and way way down the list would be born again ass holes./
 
Jay59 said:
I wonder at your use of the singular article, because both parties qualify on both counts. Perhaps Democrats a bit more than Republicans, but that's a quibble.

Your economic arguments make little sense. If the only reason for a deficit is an emergency, you have covered 2009 and arguably 2010. That leaves the second and fourth largest deficits in history unaccounted. It might help if the so called Stimulus was not 80% pork. Repaying campaign favors so obviously was pretty cheeky, but he lied about ACA as well.
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ya bailing out this country after the all but complete destruction of our economy and country by Bush the baby killer and the rights trickle down lie. was needed the hate party never has needed to do it they just naturally do it. So the dems aren't the deficit party but the hate party is.
 
Jay59 said:
I wonder at your use of the singular article, because both parties qualify on both counts. Perhaps Democrats a bit more than Republicans, but that's a quibble.

Your economic arguments make little sense. If the only reason for a deficit is an emergency, you have covered 2009 and arguably 2010. That leaves the second and fourth largest deficits in history unaccounted. It might help if the so called Stimulus was not 80% pork. Repaying campaign favors so obviously was pretty cheeky, but he lied about ACA as well.
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80% pork is 100% lie.
 
rwee2000 said:
Well, got your facts wrong again, they overrode 7% of vetoes when they were in session, (you can look that up) again using YOUR logic, when congress votes that the end of it after all the president only vetoed 7.5% of the bills presented to him and was overridden 7% of the time. Really you should do some research.
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Heres the numbers you go right ahead and tell us these aren't the number ,there was1505 regular veto's 1067 pocket vetos adding up to 2572 total vetoes and 111 were over ridden. On anybodies calculator that comes out to be .041570762053% and almost all of them the president knew they would be over ridden and they had done it to make a point , that's about as close to zero as you can get. You can't come on here and make up crap. DENI THESE NUMBERS.
 
rwee2000 said:
Well, got your facts wrong again, they overrode 7% of vetoes when they were in session, (you can look that up) again using YOUR logic, when congress votes that the end of it after all the president only vetoed 7.5% of the bills presented to him and was overridden 7% of the time. Really you should do some research.
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narcissistic personality disorder- look that up.
 
jbander said:
Yes and that's the exact point. No way in hell that I want a fake christian that would elect the piece of **** that the right did, to be the Christian influence in this country. You need a lesson in reality, the born again Nazi wannabees that vote and support the piece of **** is the last group of people to bring their fake Christianity into our government .It wouldn't happen anyway the influence would be Catholic then Baptist and way way down the list would be born again ass holes./
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I take it you might have voted twice in favor of casting God out of the democrat party when the attempt was made at the 2012 democrat convention in Charlotte.
 
jbander said:
ya bailing out this country after the all but complete destruction of our economy and country by Bush the baby killer and the rights trickle down lie. was needed the hate party never has needed to do it they just naturally do it. So the dems aren't the deficit party but the hate party is.
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I heard it at the time. It was pure spin then and obvious pork now.

I am going to give Bush and Obama a pass on the mortgage collapse. The process was set in motion decades before. It's hard to tell which party had a bigger role in the disaster--Democrat mandatory lending policies or Republican slack oversight. It's one example of letting policy overrule accounting. ACA is another.

You have an extra word in your last sentence. Drop the "is".
 
marke said:
I take it you might have voted twice in favor of casting God out of the democrat party when the attempt was made at the 2012 democrat convention in Charlotte.
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Ya sure, I'm a real christian something you haters can't even recognize anymore. You can't elect the devil and then tell me you're a Christian/
 
Jay59 said:
I was being generous. More than 80% of the money went to companies or jobs that did not exist by 2012.
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Bull**** big time. To much Fox Crap news ace.lets say it was as you say it still doesn't make it pork does it. I know this bull**** from you haters you will keep on commenting changing it every comment a little closer to the truth in each consecutive telling. We will stick to your original bull**** YOUR QUOTE" It might help if the so called Stimulus was not 80% pork. Repaying campaign favors so obviously was pretty cheeky, but he lied about ACA as well." Prove that ace.
 
Jay59 said:
I heard it at the time. It was pure spin then and obvious pork now.

I am going to give Bush and Obama a pass on the mortgage collapse. The process was set in motion decades before. It's hard to tell which party had a bigger role in the disaster--Democrat mandatory lending policies or Republican slack oversight. It's one example of letting policy overrule accounting. ACA is another.

You have an extra word in your last sentence. Drop the "is".
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More bull****, every president back to hoover made it easier for people to buy a house. Show me one mandatory loan policy. From any party.That could possibly be more troubling then credit default swaps as far as the mortgage crash.. Give it your best shot.
 
jbander said:
More bull****, every president back to hoover made it easier for people to buy a house. Show me one mandatory loan policy. From any party.That could possibly be more troubling then credit default swaps as far as the mortgage crash.. Give it your best shot.
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One more time. I am not catching your intent.
 
Renae said:
You hate poor people?
How FDR's New Deal Harmed Millions of Poor People | Cato Institute
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I'm suprised that nobody posted any articles before now about the negatives in the New Deal. Of course the left will not denounce any of the economic ills because FDR was a democrat. Also the comments about Clinton balancing the budget ignores the fact that he had to work with a Republican congress and the Gingrich House, Contract with America which put that balanced budget together and forced in on Clinton. I'll give BC enough credit to say he realized it would be a good thing for him politically and went along.
 
jbander said:
Ya sure, I'm a real christian something you haters can't even recognize anymore. You can't elect the devil and then tell me you're a Christian/
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You are not still mad at me for not voting for Saint Mother Hillary are you?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Everything you see in this messy studio (I'm lazy...sue me) is mine.

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I BUILT pretty much everything except the VTR's.

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Back when I actually had to have customers in my studio every day, this was my domain.

(Master Control Productions - North Hollywood)

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In the last ten years I've only had four come to the studio because I can share whatever I want in real time anywhere now and I FTP my product.
I've built or helped build seven or eight television studio and post production facilities in L.A. since 1982.

I've been online since before the internet was the internet. (the Bulletin Board Service era - BBS)
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That's fantastic-and even more impressive that you built that stuff. I can barely manage to change an EL84 in my 1955 Grundig radio! (I have a passion for valve power, steam power, analogue 35mm cameras and all things of quality-I'm 67 so I remember and value when stuff was built to last, and not just until next year's model).

2055W/3D Radio Grundig Radio-Vertrieb, RVF, Radiowerke, buil
 
jbander said:
Heres the numbers you go right ahead and tell us these aren't the number ,there was1505 regular veto's 1067 pocket vetos adding up to 2572 total vetoes and 111 were over ridden. On anybodies calculator that comes out to be .041570762053% and almost all of them the president knew they would be over ridden and they had done it to make a point , that's about as close to zero as you can get. You can't come on here and make up crap. DENI THESE NUMBERS.
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Wow you can't even do MATH. your numbers 111/1505 = 0.07375415282 or 7.375415282% with all vetoes 111/2572 = 0.0431570762 or 4.31570762%.

Now to you show how percentages work let's take 1%. 1 percent of 100 is 1 right? So 1/100 = 0.01 to get the percentage you move decimal point two places to the LEFT or multiply by 100. You just can't tack on a % sign and call it a percentage. So, you got the percentages WAY off. Had your percentage been correct congress would have overridden 1.0692 bills not 111 (again using your number .041570762053%)

So Congress have overridden while in session about the same percentage of bills as the president vetoed. Again using your logic you could say once congress passes a bill it's over.
 
Jay59 said:
One more time. I am not catching your intent.
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We will start with the fact that the Democrats had no mandatory lending policy and even if there was such a thing they have nothing to do with anything compared to how credit default swap caused the crash. That is a right wing Didi
 
rwee2000 said:
Wow you can't even do MATH. your numbers 111/1505 = 0.07375415282 or 7.375415282% with all vetoes 111/2572 = 0.0431570762 or 4.31570762%.

Now to you show how percentages work let's take 1%. 1 percent of 100 is 1 right? So 1/100 = 0.01 to get the percentage you move decimal point two places to the LEFT or multiply by 100. You just can't tack on a % sign and call it a percentage. So, you got the percentages WAY off. Had your percentage been correct congress would have overridden 1.0692 bills not 111 (again using your number .041570762053%)

So Congress have overridden while in session about the same percentage of bills as the president vetoed. Again using your logic you could say once congress passes a bill it's over.
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There is no 7% anything , I added a zero but it doesn't change the fact that your wrong. there was 4.1570762053% of over rides. The numbers are 2572 vetoes and 111 over rides and buddy that's not the 7 % your talking about and add in the fact that all but just a few , the president knew it would be over ridden and were just trying to make a point ,which brings us back to what I said before , Once the president veto, it is hardly ever over ridden . So the president has all but a minute amount of the control. Tell me my numbers are wrong.
 
snakestretcher said:
That's fantastic-and even more impressive that you built that stuff. I can barely manage to change an EL84 in my 1955 Grundig radio! (I have a passion for valve power, steam power, analogue 35mm cameras and all things of quality-I'm 67 so I remember and value when stuff was built to last, and not just until next year's model).

2055W/3D Radio Grundig Radio-Vertrieb, RVF, Radiowerke, buil
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My paternal grandparents had almost the exact same model, which was finally given to me.
I enjoyed it for many years but when it blew the main transformer I had NO way of figuring out how to source parts (pre internet) and gave up after hanging onto it for another five years.

I wish I'd kept it.
 
jbander said:
There is no 7% anything , I added a zero but it doesn't change the fact that your wrong. there was 4.1570762053% of over rides. The numbers are 2572 vetoes and 111 over rides and buddy that's not the 7 % your talking about and add in the fact that all but just a few , the president knew it would be over ridden and were just trying to make a point ,which brings us back to what I said before , Once the president veto, it is hardly ever over ridden . So the president has all but a minute amount of the control. Tell me my numbers are wrong.
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Ok I see I need to take this really slow for you.

First your math was still wrong at 4.1570762053% the number is 4.31570762% at least try and do the math right. Here I'll make it easy for you 111/2572 - Google Search and 111/1505 - Google Search and you didn't "add" a zero you just put the percent sign behind your decimal point.

When congress is in session, they can override a bill, which means of the 2572 bills that were vetoed in total congress only had the chance to override 1505 of them, which means of the bill they could override, they did so at a 7.37% rate. If you include ALL vetoes, including those congress could not override pocket vetoes. And note pocket vetoes are indirect vetoes, as the the president didn't take action until it was too late for congress to take any action. Thus on bill congress could override they did so at the 7+%
 
Rickeroo said:
It is true that the right favors the wealthy. Statistically, those above the median income vote republican, those below vote democrat. Democrats lose votes as income increases, republicans gain votes. Which party benefits from more poor people?
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Then get ready for a landslide win for the Left because forty percent of working Americans cannot cover a four hundred dollar emergency today.
 
marke said:
You are not still mad at me for not voting for Saint Mother Hillary are you?
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I'm glad you elected scum bag, where as your hate party was doomed because of demographics in two or three decades, after electing scum bag you chopped off one or two of those decades , so I appreciate you electing scum bag. I'll be writing your hate party's epitaph a lot sooner
 
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