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Checkerboard Strangler said:
It doesn't matter, you don't even know the cost of the Marshall plan based on your answer.
And YES, that is exactly what workers and companies DID DO in the aftermath, they LITERALLY - - QUITE LITERALLY, DID in fact, "crawl out of the rumble and went back to making radios, cards, medicinals, and cameras".

The Marshall Plan cost the United States $12 billion, which is nearly $100 billion in 2018 US dollars.
A hundred billion given to Europe today would be a nice gift but hardly capable of rebuilding much more than maybe a single medium sized manufacturing corporation.

The FACTS:

Agricultural production was 83% of 1938 levels, industrial production was 88%, and exports 59%.
Exceptions were the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and France, where by the end of 1947 production had already been restored to pre-war levels before the Marshall Plan. Italy and Belgium would follow by the end of 1948.
Germany began small steps toward restoration of its industrial capacity as early as 1947 but it wasn't maybe till 1949 or 1950 that Germany's industrial output was fully restored.

Stop moving the goalposts. Your post argued that the reason our economy was so sound was because we were the "only man standing" after WW2, until as you put it, almost the 1960's.



Our aid to Japan was miniscule by comparison to what we GAVE AWAY to them in the 1970's.
Russia did not receive a DIME from us for WW2 under the Marshall Plan.
THEY REJECTED our OFFER.
Stop pulling things out of your butt and calling them ice cream. This is why no one respects your debates.

Much of the postwar economic boom was PENT UP consumer demand after years of wartime rationing, and returning servicemen eager to go back to work and start families.

Give up, you live in an alternate world with alternate history, made of alternate facts.
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Yeah, yeah, Germany lost the war one day, became an industrial giant the next. Have it your way.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Everything you see in this messy studio (I'm lazy...sue me) is mine.

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I BUILT pretty much everything except the VTR's.

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Back when I actually had to have customers in my studio every day, this was my domain.

(Master Control Productions - North Hollywood)

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In the last ten years I've only had four come to the studio because I can share whatever I want in real time anywhere now and I FTP my product.
I've built or helped build seven or eight television studio and post production facilities in L.A. since 1982.

I've been online since before the internet was the internet. (the Bulletin Board Service era - BBS)
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Damn. I am very jealous. :lamo Much respect to you.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It doesn't matter, you don't even know the cost of the Marshall plan based on your answer.
And YES, that is exactly what workers and companies DID DO in the aftermath, they LITERALLY - - QUITE LITERALLY, DID in fact, "crawl out of the rumble and went back to making radios, cards, medicinals, and cameras".

The Marshall Plan cost the United States $12 billion, which is nearly $100 billion in 2018 US dollars.
A hundred billion given to Europe today would be a nice gift but hardly capable of rebuilding much more than maybe a single medium sized manufacturing corporation.

The FACTS:

Agricultural production was 83% of 1938 levels, industrial production was 88%, and exports 59%.
Exceptions were the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and France, where by the end of 1947 production had already been restored to pre-war levels before the Marshall Plan. Italy and Belgium would follow by the end of 1948.
Germany began small steps toward restoration of its industrial capacity as early as 1947 but it wasn't maybe till 1949 or 1950 that Germany's industrial output was fully restored.

Stop moving the goalposts. Your post argued that the reason our economy was so sound was because we were the "only man standing" after WW2, until as you put it, almost the 1960's.



Our aid to Japan was miniscule by comparison to what we GAVE AWAY to them in the 1970's.
Russia did not receive a DIME from us for WW2 under the Marshall Plan.
THEY REJECTED our OFFER.
Stop pulling things out of your butt and calling them ice cream. This is why no one respects your debates.

Much of the postwar economic boom was PENT UP consumer demand after years of wartime rationing, and returning servicemen eager to go back to work and start families.

Give up, you live in an alternate world with alternate history, made of alternate facts.
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What? Now you're meandering to the sixties and seventies? The friggin war ended in 1945. Where the hell are you going? Marshall plan gave 100 billion by your own recounting and you claim we DIDN'T help in the reconstruction? Dude, you're all over the map. By the sixties and seventies Japan and Europe WERE making inroads, but not right after the war as I said.
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vesper said:
Scale? Everything they were experiencing people across the country often deal with it and if it is in a rural area it could take days to restore their electricity. Manhattan was without power for 2/3 hours and are now being restored. Whoopteedooo. The folks in Louisiana, Mississippi are facing flooding and power outages due to high winds because of a storm. Over half a million are currently without power. Right now the people in Manhattan and those covering them look like a bunch of spineless bozos.
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Wait, do you really think the people in the path of the hurricane weren't getting news coverage? That was literally top billing on like everything for the last few days. I hadn't even heard about the NYC power outage.
 
marke said:
Lefties rewrite American history because they want the history to say America was once a heathen nation that modern Christians are only now seeking to change for the worse. Maybe that was what Obama thought when he proposed to bring hope and change to America. Maybe he was tired of the ungodliness and filth and intended to bring in new Christian influence in its place for the better.
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just silly and totally empty of reason.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Excellent idea, one which continues to this day.
They're called SIN TAXES and FDR wasn't by FAR the first to use them.
Prior to the 1920 implementation of the Volstead Act, approximately 14% of federal, state, and local tax revenues were derived from alcohol commerce.

The part that makes me laugh the hardest:
"Social Security excise taxes on payrolls made it more expensive for employers to hire people, which discouraged hiring."

Oh yeah but destroying Social Security won't hurt poor people, Grandma won't miss her pension at all. She can go back to what she was doing before, selling apples on the streetcorner for a nickel.

And the New Deal includes the TVA and the Rural Electrification Program which brought clean water, sewer and electricity service to enormous portions of the South, much of which never paid taxes to listen to FDR because their radios had to run on BATTERIES due to life in the kerosene lamp era.

I can always count on you to peddle lies and agitprop, but the one thing you will never be able to do is tell anyone how ANYTHING the Republicans have come up with since match the standard of living achieved in the New Deal Era, which pretty much ended in 1980.

Sorry but your lame CATO Institute screed is a major fail. Republicans created and engineered the Great Depression and they're busy engineering another one. It's what they do.
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Liberals have to deal with these wackos all the time. They make up a world to justify the ugliness that they want to share with others.They are quite the group.
 
Trump said:
GOP defends LABOR....


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In the US that is just factually incorrect
 
apdst said:
It's hilarious to watch Leftists exhibit their fake patriotism.
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Ya sure while your trying to sell your hatred as patriotism. Good luck.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Everything you see in this messy studio (I'm lazy...sue me) is mine.

View attachment 67259821

I BUILT pretty much everything except the VTR's.

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Back when I actually had to have customers in my studio every day, this was my domain.

(Master Control Productions - North Hollywood)

View attachment 67259820

In the last ten years I've only had four come to the studio because I can share whatever I want in real time anywhere now and I FTP my product.
I've built or helped build seven or eight television studio and post production facilities in L.A. since 1982.

I've been online since before the internet was the internet. (the Bulletin Board Service era - BBS)
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I think the comment was a joke but what do I know , I'm 73. I've moved a lot of earth in my 73 years. I'm also quite proud of what I achieved. You should be proud, you've done much with your life.
 
apdst said:
That's literally called, freedom of expression.

You can't force someone to like something.
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Quite true.

However, I'd observe that the left doesn't care if others 'like' their political ideology or public policy positions, just as long as they are silent and don't criticize their political ideology or public policy positions, and silently accept them.

That's all they care about, and, of course, the political power and enforcement by the government gun of their political ideology or public policy positions on others. All other priorities are rescinded.
 
vesper said:
Most of your diatribe is BS.

example. ……

Tonight Manhattan lost power. Manhattan is a leftist stronghold. They got wall to wall coverage for being without power for a couple of hours. I live in flyover country and often experience hours of loss of power. Just last week a transmitter was smoking so they shut down our electrical power. It took hours to get it corrected and it was 90 degrees outside. But not our area or any other area in flyover country would get the coverage over the NYC Manhattan who are wealthy if they are living in that district gets hours of coverage,

Everyday citizen looks at this as bull ****and shake their heads.
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Good God man you can't see the difference of 7 million people being effected by something over you and 6 neighbors. The make believe world of the right. NO one looks at this as being anything. Get a life.
 
vesper said:
Scale? Everything they were experiencing people across the country often deal with it and if it is in a rural area it could take days to restore their electricity. Manhattan was without power for 2/3 hours and are now being restored. Whoopteedooo. The folks in Louisiana, Mississippi are facing flooding and power outages due to high winds because of a storm. Over half a million are currently without power. Right now the people in Manhattan and those covering them look like a bunch of spineless bozos.
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Vesper your 100% ridiculous.
 
Jesse Booth said:
It's not actually true at all. The ideas pushed in that book were bull**** when Hoover and his cronies started spouting them, and they're still bull**** today. Jim Powell, author of FDR's Follies, is nothing more than a blatant partisan hack, and if you want a good appraisal of how FDR's reforms actually impacted the nation, I would pick up "Man of the Century" by Conrad Black, another conservative like Powell, but one who is willing to actually admit that capitalism requires regulation to function properly.
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Well said, they live in their made up world, that has never existed.
 
vegas giants said:
In the US that is just factually incorrect
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The humor is the little ditty at the top of the page saying Scum Bag defends labor. he has hired more illegals that 99.9999999999% of this country has.
You can't make this **** up.
 
Jesse Booth said:
What gets me is that they don't even have economics on their side. The American economy hasn't blazed for the middle class since it did in the aftermath of the New Deal, and the last President to balance the budget was Clinton.
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Hate to tell you this be the president can't spend a dime and can only suggest a budget. So it wasn't the president to balance the budget it's congress, and if I remember right the Republicans were in charge of congress at that time.
 
Renae said:
Cato is an outstanding resource and the people there are extremely intelligent.
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Ya well you can buy intelligence and then use it to lie. Actually it's cheap considering the lies they will sell and being a outstanding resource, no I don't think so, it's created to sell a product , that in general is a lie to begin with.You people offer very little for this country, in fact the 2019 version offers nothing for this country.
 
rwee2000 said:
Hate to tell you this be the president can't spend a dime and can only suggest a budget. So it wasn't the president to balance the budget it's congress, and if I remember right the Republicans were in charge of congress at that time.
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Bull, the president has almost total control of all bills in this country, The balance of the three branches of our government is just not accurate, This opinion that is shared by few others ,is mine and I will stand by it.
 
jbander said:
Bull, the president has almost total control of all bills in this country, The balance of the three branches of our government is just not accurate, This opinion that is shared by few others ,is mine and I will stand by it.
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The president can't spend a single dime without congress's approval. And while the president can veto a spending bill, he cannot line-item veto, so he has accept the whole bill, or none of it. And there is a process to override the president. You will notice the judicial branch is not included in that process, it's only after the bill is approved that judicial could get involved. And only if someone objects to it. If a bill doesn't pass there is no real remedy in the courts.

So given that when Clinton had a balanced budget, it was congress that balanced it, not Clinton, his only part was accepting the spending bill.
 
vesper said:
Most of your diatribe is BS.

example. ……

Tonight Manhattan lost power. Manhattan is a leftist stronghold. They got wall to wall coverage for being without power for a couple of hours. I live in flyover country and often experience hours of loss of power. Just last week a transmitter was smoking so they shut down our electrical power. It took hours to get it corrected and it was 90 degrees outside. But not our area or any other area in flyover country would get the coverage over the NYC Manhattan who are wealthy if they are living in that district gets hours of coverage,

Everyday citizen looks at this as bull ****and shake their heads.
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You're trying to make a political talking point about electric power in NYC?
Sorry but I don't get the impression that you have a lot of background in electric power generation technology.
Perhaps you could correct me with some of your expertise.

And as for flyover country not getting as much coverage, a city of almost ten million people always gets more coverage, it's simple arithmetic as used in television ratings.
 
Jesse Booth said:
So, what all do you do, exactly? There's video editing, video shooting, a few studios... That's a lot of stuff.
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Restoring ancient orphaned material is one of my specialties.
It all started when a huge pile of nearly twenty year old R-R videotapes were "dropped in my lap"...
"Can you do anything to make these tapes workable?"

I've shot feature films, edited films, produced rock and roll concert films, a gazillion local ad spots, a few national ones, shot freelance news footage, and in between all that I did "consumer" oriented video editing for just regular folks who needed it done and I also used to duplicate thousands of videocassettes as a sort of "automated" business that almost ran itself.
And I also used to do something called "overseas video conversions" back when the world was divided up into incompatible broadcast and videotape formats (NTSC, PAL, SECAM, etc)

Semi-retired now due to failing vision... I can drive fine with glasses but not sharp enough to professionally function on a film set anymore without fumbling and struggling for perfect focus with a tiny viewfinder, plus my hearing is flat out terrible now, I have frying pans for ears.

And that's enough about me, sorry for the thread hijack.
 
eohrnberger said:
Quite true.

However, I'd observe that the left doesn't care if others 'like' their political ideology or public policy positions, just as long as they are silent and don't criticize their political ideology or public policy positions, and silently accept them.

That's all they care about, and, of course, the political power and enforcement by the government gun of their political ideology or public policy positions on others. All other priorities are rescinded.
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And the Right, in your opinion, doesn't do much the same thing?
Oh my God, that's funny.

Mister eohrnberger, the two sides are simply too polarized and tribalized to allow any outreach.
Blaming one side only isn't going to change anything.

But from where I sit, I see an awful lot of talk from the Right that sounds identical to the McCarthy Era, the Hollywood Blacklist and the House Unamerican Activities panel. (HUAC)
We're now being told that we "hate America" because we don't agree with EVERY SINGLE POLICY POSITION that the Right wants.
We've watched you cast out your own people the moment they don't reflexively rubber stamp absolutely EVERYTHING without question.
People in your own party are TERRIFIED of speaking out...even whispering.
And that's YOUR people.
For OUR people, your side makes it clear in no uncertain terms that we should be jailed, censured, accused of everything from Hell to breakfast.
Your side doesn't even believe that we are HUMAN BEINGS.

Look in the mirror.
No...not CLOSE UP, step back and check out who's behind you in that reflection.
Open your ears and listen to what they're saying.
 
Renae said:
Cato is an outstanding resource and the people there are extremely intelligent.
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CATO is indeed a great resource, one which from time to time allows members with radically charged extreme revisionist views to use their bully pulpit.
Sure, some think tanks on the Left do the same thing sometimes.
This time, it's CATO, and I wager some at CATO would disagree with the author's talking points, or is CATO in your opinion one of those "marching in lockstep" outfits now?

Jim Powell also happens to lay blame for WW2 at the feet of Wilson for the grave sin of backing the British and French in WW1.
In his opinion, Germans wouldn't have resorted to an ultra-nationalist stab at global fascist domination at the barrel of a gun had Wilson just rolled over and played nicey nice with the Germans and had let the British and French go it alone.

He steadfastly ignores the fact that the Germans began to bomb and sink American flagged trade vessels in international AND domestic waters, something which would enjoy a repeat performance during WW2 as well.
I guess we should have just let them bomb New York Harbor in 1917 too.
How about that as a cry for freedom!!

In my opinion that makes Jim Powell something of an extremist crackpot, because almost NO ONE ELSE shares that point of view.
I'd love to see you find anyone else who resorts to such quackery...maybe in another thread about WW1.
 
Bullseye said:
What? Now you're meandering to the sixties and seventies? The friggin war ended in 1945. Where the hell are you going? Marshall plan gave 100 billion by your own recounting and you claim we DIDN'T help in the reconstruction? Dude, you're all over the map. By the sixties and seventies Japan and Europe WERE making inroads, but not right after the war as I said.
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Europe and Japan had much of their manufacturing up and running within two years of the aftermath of the war.
That's a FACT, Jack.
I didn't say we didn't help. I'm saying that a cockamamey excuse that we had the only functioning economy for a decade after WW2 is BS.
The only people who believe that are the kind of people who tried to mount "The Business Plot" in the 1930's in an effort to overthrow the FDR administration by force.
You're basically pushing nonsense being spewed by their living descendants today. Same kind of thinking, same kind of mindset, same kind of denialism, same kind of orwellian historical revisionism and the facts refute ALL of what they are saying.
 
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