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Trump hosted an exclusive party with Jeffrey Epstein at his Mar-a-Lago estate, a new report claims.

vegas giants said:
Well that .....and having been accused of sexual misconduct by 24 women.....and paying off strippers after an affair....and being accused of rape by your first wife....and being accursed of raping a 13 year old.....so yeah...just that
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Don't forget the woman who says he raped her at Bergdorf Goodman.

Poor Trump, an innocent man with dozens of accusers and a child predator buddy.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Don't forget the woman who says he raped her at Bergdorf Goodman.

Poor Trump, an innocent man with dozens of accusers and a child predator buddy.
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It's all just a giant coincidence!!!!!
 
Bradley Edwards, a lawyer who represented Jefferey Epstein’s victims, stated in court documents that Trump had barred Epstein from his Mar-A-Lago estate “because Epstein sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club.”
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During the 2016 election, Trump alleged Bill Clinton might have a strong connection to Epstein, Clinton is reported to have traveled on Epstein’s plane dozens of times. Referring to Clinton, Trump stated, “Nice guy — uh, got a lot of problems coming up, in my opinion, with the famous island, with Jeffrey Epstein. A lot of problems.”
Court Documents: Trump Banned Epstein From Mar-A-Lago For Alleged Assault On Underage Girl | The Daily Caller
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Hmm. Doesn't sound like any sort of ringing endorsement of Epstein nor his proclivities.

The piece continues.

Court filings obtained by Fox News show that Clinton traveled on Epstein’s private plane the “Lolita Express,” 26 times. On some of those trips Clinton allegedly left without his secret service detail.
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Trump is reported to have traveled on Epstein’s plane on at least one occasion. In the past, the president has spoken highly of Epstein before allegations surfaced of his child sex abuse saying,”I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
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Again, doesn't sound like any sort of ringing endorsement of Epsite nor his proclivities from Trump.

But it sure sounds more like what Bill would be into, young girls and all, and having what appears to be be far more opportunity having "traveled on Epstein’s private plane the “Lolita Express,” 26 times".

If Epstein flips for a light sentence and names names, perhaps we'll find out. :shrug:
 
Condor060 said:
Feel free to read the entire docket for yourself.

Katie Johnson v. Donald J. Trump, 5:16-cv-00797 – CourtListener.com

Here is her pro se complaint

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.646485.1.0.pdf

And here is the judges ruling

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.646485.6.0.pdf

If she attempted another filing somewhere else I can find it and tell you what happened. Where did she file this other claim?

Never mind, already found it

A Guardian investigation this summer found that the lawsuit appeared to have been coordinated by a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show who has been associated in the past with a range of disputed claims involving celebrities including OJ Simpson and Kurt Cobain. A publicist acting for “Jane Doe” also attempted to sell a video in which the woman describes her allegations against Trump to media outlets at a $1m price tag.
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I clicked through all your links. Nothing supports your false statement that her suit was thrown out of court on the basis of credibility.

The first was in California in April of this year, a claim Johnson filed herself that got thrown out on technical grounds — she’d filed a civil rights suit, but failed to actually state an applicable civil rights claim.
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The lawsuit accusing Trump of raping a 13-year-old girl, explained - Vox

This is confirmed by the documents you posted. Did you bother reading the documents you posted?

Are we clear now?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I clicked through all your links. Nothing supports your false statement that her suit was thrown out of court on the basis of credibility.
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Did I not state the following

Hence the reason for her pro se filings. Her cases were not thrown out on a technicality, they were thrown out for failing to state a claim upon which relief could be granted along with any status to re-file. Only an psychotic idiot would attempt a federal case pro se. Federal court rooms don't suffer idiots. Her case was dismissed in just 3 weeks. That has to be some kind of record.
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This is confirmed by the documents you posted. Did you bother reading the documents you posted?

Are we clear now?
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Hey Mr. clear now. How about you just scroll down to the very last page and read the very last statement provided by the judge dismissing the case.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.646485.6.0.pdf

I quest you didn't bother to read anything. Yeah, we are crystal clear now.
 
eohrnberger said:
But it sure sounds more like what Bill would be into, young girls and all, and having what appears to be be far more opportunity having "traveled on Epstein’s private plane the “Lolita Express,” 26 times".
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You realize that the document you posted say Bill Clinton + 4 Secret Service men? Was the Secret Service also raping children?

Epstein was also a philanthropist. He traveled to Africa with Bill Clinton. Still no report of Clinton in a sex party with Epstein. What else do you call a party with 28 calendar models and 2 creeps?
 
Condor060 said:
Did I not state the following





Hey Mr. clear now. How about you just scroll down to the very last page and read the very last statement provided by the judge dismissing the case.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.646485.6.0.pdf

I quest you didn't bother to read anything. Yeah, we are crystal clear now.
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Let me type out what it says so you can't keep hiding behind links that nobody wants to read...

Here, even construing the pro se pleading liberally, Plantiff has not alleged any race-based or class-based animus against her and, consequently, her section 1985 allegations fail to state a claim upon wich relief may be granted
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So, her suit was thrown out not on the merits of her allegations of rape but for technical reasons.

Your claimed that it was thrown out because she was not credible and no lawyer would represent her. Your claims are false. I've proven that. I see no need to continue wasting my time when anyone can check your links and your claims for themselves.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I clicked through all your links. Nothing supports your false statement that her suit was thrown out of court on the basis of credibility.



The lawsuit accusing Trump of raping a 13-year-old girl, explained - Vox

This is confirmed by the documents you posted. Did you bother reading the documents you posted?

Are we clear now?
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Not to mention she was also denied IFO status. Petitioners with little or no financial resources can elect to file their briefs on the IFP docket for the SCOTUS.

In forma pauperis (IFP) proceedings are those cases in which the U.S. Supreme Court allows an indigent party to file a petition for writ of certiorari without paying the $300 filing fee or preparing a printed booklet. That status was recommended for denial as well.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Let me type out what it says so you can't keep hiding behind links that nobody wants to read...



So, her suit was thrown out not on the merits of her allegations of rape but for technical reasons.

Your claimed that it was thrown out because she was not credible and no lawyer would represent her. Your claims are false. I've proven that. I see no need to continue wasting my time when anyone can check your links and your claims for themselves.
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You are so far out of your league here its just amazing. First off, nobody with half a brain files Pro Se in Federal court. NOBODY The ONLY reason you would do something so stupid is that no attorney would risk sanctions on your claims.

A technicality would be a statute of limitations problem or a judicial dispute over failure to answer a motion to compel, not making a court ordered time limited filing for a rebuttal or interrogatories. That is not the case. She received the actual ruling on a case that was 3 WEEKS OLD.

She failed to make a claim that any restitution could be adjudicated hence the judge shut down her pleadings in 3 short weeks. If she had a case against Donald Trump and she had an affidavit from this Tiffany (Doe) person or had any evidence, pictures, or ANYONE who could corroborate her story (Like flying on commercial airlines at 13 years old) (Or her parents coming forward) just about any big law firm might attempt a stab at it for a contention agreement.

She can't even refile the claim or even take it to the SCOTUS. You have no clue what you are talking about and no clue what the documents actually say. I even showed you where one of here filings was brought by the f**king Jerry Springier show. REALLY?

You just can't be this naive.

Oh, wait, I was mistaken, her Federal Law suit was shut down by the judge in a week.
 
Condor060 said:
You are so far out of your league here its just amazing. First off, nobody with half a brain files Pro Se in Federal court. NOBODY The ONLY reason you would do something so stupid is that no attorney would risk sanctions on your claims.

A technicality would be a statute of limitations problem or a judicial dispute over failure to answer a motion to compel, not making a court ordered time limited filing for a rebuttal or interrogatories. That is not the case. She received the actual ruling on a case that was 3 WEEKS OLD.

She failed to make a claim that any restitution could be adjudicated hence the judge shut down her pleadings in 3 short weeks. If she had a case against Donald Trump and she had an affidavit from this Tiffany (Doe) person or had any evidence, pictures, or ANYONE who could corroborate her story (Like flying on commercial airlines at 13 years old) (Or her parents coming forward) just about any big law firm might attempt a stab at it for a contention agreement.

She can't even refile the claim or even take it to the SCOTUS. You have no clue what you are talking about and no clue what the documents actually say. I even showed you where one of here filings was brought by the f**king Jerry Springier show. REALLY?

You just can't be this naive.

Oh, wait, I was mistaken, her Federal Law suit was shut down by the judge in a week.
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Let's make this abundantly clear:

Was her case thrown out of court because her rape claim was not credible? This is a yes or no question.

Did she withdraw her case claiming death threats? Yes or no?

Edit: Let's add that the statute of limitations is a big reason some may not take the case. It's expired. It's a tough hill to climb. Finally she did have an attorney--Lisa Bloom daughter of Gloria Allred.

Donald Trump Is Accused Of Raping A 13-Year-Old. Why Haven’t The Media Covered It?
 
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SonOfDaedalus said:
Let's make this abundantly clear:

Was her case thrown out of court because her rape claim was not credible? This is a yes or no question.
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I wasn't the judge and I can't answer for him and neither can you. I would say Yes, because she made no claim with any evidence to which relief could be granted. All she spewed was unfounded claims, with no substance, no evidence, no witnesses, no pictures, no documents, no filings, with promises of forthcoming evidence of an affidavit that wasn't included. Thats why no attorney would take her case and why she filed it on her own.

I have worked with Federal Judges for years and this is the first time I have ever seen one dismiss a case within a week. Not only did he dismiss the case but made sure this wouldn't be hitting the SCOTUS. He didn't even give her a chance to take leave to re-file properly. He made no attempt what so ever to address the failures of her filing with opinions she might address.

My take is after working with hundreds of judges, this was an easy call with no remorse. He shut her down and closed out the case within a week of filing.

Did she withdraw her case claiming death threats? Yes or no?
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Not in the case I provided you. I have no clue about the NJ case

Edit: Let's add that the statute of limitations is a big reason some may not take the case. It's expired. It's a tough hill to climb. Finally she did have an attorney--Lisa Bloom daughter of Gloria Allred.
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Statute of Limitations can be argued for example, a piece of evidence found after the fact showing fraud which can start the Statute all over again. If she had anything credible a law firm would have argued the case. They elected not to be involved.

Gloria Allred was not involved in the case I provided. The case I provided was Pro Se.

The case in NJ was found to be a fraud perpetrated by the Springier show staff attorneys to help get a video published for sale. Since no buyers to the bulls**t video were available, the video wound up on Youtube. What a joke.

Apparently nobody but you find anything about her credible.
 
Condor060 said:
I wasn't the judge and I can't answer for him and neither can you.
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Surely, the judge gave a reason why he dismissed the case. Was his reason for dismissing the case that she was not credible? The answer is NO.

And you can't just ignore the fact that she filed her case again and had a reputable lawyer--Lisa Bloom--daughter of Gloria Allred.

I never said she was credible. I made no claim about her credibility. Someone said that Trump was not accused of any act of rape with Epstein and I corrected them. He was accused of raping a 13-year-old girl with Epstein.

Once the statute of limitations expire, a lot of attorneys don't want to bother with the case. Many Cosby victims couldn't find anyone to take their case either. Epstein has people like Allan Dershowitz defending him.

Let's review the facts:

1. She had an attorney--Lisa Bloom

2. She withdrew the case claiming death threats
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Surely, the judge gave a reason why he dismissed the case. Was his reason for dismissing the case that she was not credible? The answer is NO.
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The judge dismissed her case 1 week after filing stating she made no claim where relief could be granted. You can read into it what you will.

And you can't just ignore the fact that she filed her case again and had a reputable lawyer--Lisa Bloom--daughter of Gloria Allred.
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Well, shes a lawyer.

Once the statute of limitations expire, a lot of attorneys don't want to bother with the case. Many Cosby victims couldn't find anyone to take their case either. Epstein has people like Allan Dershowitz defending him.
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Actually the second case that was filed allowed the case to move forward as her attorney claimed no Statute of Limitations could be observed because Johnson was threatened if she came forward. The Judge granted the motion and the case was filed with no financial request for damages at that time.

Once the case was filed and accepted by the court, Johnson stated she wanted to drop the case because she was threatened. After Bloom notified the media of Johnsons request to drop the case, Bloom received a call from one of her donors who offered a safe house for her client and $750,000 to pay for attorney fess and cost to safeguard the client. Johnson again refused and dropped her case.

A few months later Al Taylor sent a video of a woman with a blurred face and blonde wig (allegedly Johnson) recounting the allegations against Trump to news outlets, saying he wanted $1 million for it. Taylor, the Guardian reported, was actually Norm Lubow, a former producer on the Jerry Springer show who has a history of using fake names and disguises to make juicy, false claims about celebrities.

The lawsuit was promoted to the media by an anti-Trump, anti-abortion activist named Steve Baer who has a history of passing around “whoa if true” rumors and videos. To hear journalists who interacted with them tell it, Baer and Taylor come off as obnoxiously persistent in pushing the story, and infuriatingly evasive when asked for interviews with Johnson. Jezebel’s Anna Merlan published a long account of their bizarre antics.

Taylor in particular comes across as volatile and a little scary; Merlan reported that Taylor told her to “suck my dick” when she confronted him about his identity, and that he made harassing phone calls to other journalists. He also appears to have sent at least a few text messages and emails while posing as Katie Johnson — or at least messages that Meagher, Johnson’s attorney, denies that Johnson sent.

The Daily Beast’s Brandy Zadrozny also has a colorful story about the time Baer and Johnson had an epic public meltdown at each other — over Baer’s email list, cc’ing journalists all the way. In short, these guys are a trainwreck. But they’ve basically been the public face of Katie Johnson for the last year.

So it was clear she was looking for a settlement to keep quiet and when no settlement was offered she dropped the case. She then turned to Baer and Lubow from the Jerry Springer show to sell the video and that failed as well.

End of story. Its was all a fake setup for a quick buck and why no media will even touch her story.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Yeah, no big deal. It's just Trump and a convicted sex predator having a private party where it's just the two of them and 28 girls. Nothing to see here. Just a casual acquaintance. Trump barely knew him.

Did the 28 girls know it was just Trump and Epstein? I bet they didn't. This is a total creep show.
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Weren't they auditioning for a calendar? Trump and Epstein were going to pick their favorites. Imagine what the criteria might have been? Sounds very sketchy.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Can anyone imagine if Obama hosted a party with Epstein and 28 women?
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We'd be on the seventh sequel of a blaxploitation movie starring an Obama lookalike who wears a purple fur lined pimp hat, with gold teeth and a low slung Caddy with a fuzzy steering wheel.
 
Mycroft said:
Is there a crime in here? Anywhere?

Or, is this just another of those "OMG!!! DID YOU SEE WHAT TRUMP DID??!!!" things?
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You may wish it wasn't, but diddling kids is a serious crime. If Trump isn't a pedo himself why does he hang out with one and why did he joke about intentionally walking in on children changing at his pageants?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
You may wish it wasn't, but diddling kids is a serious crime. If Trump isn't a pedo himself why does he hang out with one and why did he joke about intentionally walking in on children changing at his pageants?
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So...there ISN'T a crime here. It's an "OMG!!! DID YOU SEE WHAT TRUMP DID??!!!" thing.

Thanks for clearing that up.

You are dismissed.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You realize that the document you posted say Bill Clinton + 4 Secret Service men? Was the Secret Service also raping children?

Epstein was also a philanthropist. He traveled to Africa with Bill Clinton. Still no report of Clinton in a sex party with Epstein. What else do you call a party with 28 calendar models and 2 creeps?
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I also posted "If Epstein flips for a light sentence and names names, perhaps we'll find out. :shrug:"
Meaning that there's nothing for sure here except everyone's speculation, which we've witnessed in this very thread.

I wouldn't expect the Secret Service to disclose anything about any president or other official they were protecting ever.

Regardless of all that, I'd expect a number of additional 'shoes to drop', as Epstein tries to squirm his way out of this the same way that he's squirmed his way out of previous similar situations.

A pertinant question to ask is this one.


[h=3]Cyrus Vance's Office Sought Reduced Sex-Offender Status for Epstein ...[/h]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/nyregion/cyrus-vance-epstein.html
2 days ago - A registered sex offender known for his lavish lifestyle and ... It is not the first time Mr. Vance has been harshly criticized for his office's handling ...​

Why did the US attorney argue before the court that the pedophile Epstein NOT have to register as a sex offender? Which he clearly was?
 
eohrnberger said:
Why did the US attorney argue before the court that the pedophile Epstein NOT have to register as a sex offender? Which he clearly was?
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Epstein has powerful friends.
 
ocean515 said:
I understand Obama's was with 30. At least that is what I heard.
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Odd to see you pushing an alternate RW theory about Barry, considering your side has been insisting he's gay (Bathhouse Barry) and that Michelle is secretly a man.

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