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What would it take for rural America to understand Democrats are 'on their side', not Republicans?

VanceMack said:
WAit...theres more.

The rural American doesnt have much appreciation for the party that ****s on the military...unless its convenient to support them from time to time.
The rural American doesnt have much appreciation for a party that encourages illegal immigration and promotes free medical and college to illegal immigrants on the taxpayer dollar.
The rural American doesnt have much appreciation for a party that labels them bigots because of a Christian belief...even thought he majority of the rat politicians themselves express a Christian belief.
The rural Amercian doesnt have much use for a party that has done everything in their power to destroy the American family
The rural Amercian doesnt have much use for a party that ****s on the flag and patriotism.
The rural Amercian doesnt have much use for a party that ****s on the Constitution and attacks private citizens Constitutional rights

and theres lots more...but you get the point.
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And yet they support Republicans, who do almost all of that, far more than Dems. Go figure, eh.

Hell, the leader of Republican party stood on stage in Helsinki, and proclaimed to the world that they should put their trust in Putin and Russia, not in America. Hard to imagine a bigger "**** on the flag and patriotism" than that.
 
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Just a question, how many people who have responded to this thread live in a rural area?

I live in the middle of everywhere and I love it out hear, I hate cities as do most people that live out here.

I live on a ridge overlooking the upper Mississippi River and on my dead end road most of the mansions are seasonal, hell I don't even know any of the summer people but I do know the year round residents and the farmers.

Truth be told there are still ult-right conservatives around but they are getting rare. Clean water has become a big issue.

Yes nobody wants their gun rights ****ed with and that strongly Includes universal background checks. We like to buy, sell trade and give guns to friends and relatives and to have to pay a fee for every transaction is just not something that will happen.

My phone is about dead, however reading this thread has really made it clear how misunderstood us Hicks are...
 
Craig234 said:
When JFK campaigned in West Virginia, he was shocked by the poverty, and pledged his first executive order would be to increase food assistance for them. Because those are Democratic Party values, the good of people, and especially caring for those who are poorer.

Today's rural citizen seems unable to understand that they ARE those people the Democrats care about; they think the people Democrats care about are 'urban black people' and 'illegal immigrants' and they resent the help for them, instead of thinking of it as caring for them as well.

And that leaves them the victims of con men, who serve billionaire interests to manipulate these rural voters into supporting the plutocrats.

And this is reinforced day in and day out by propaganda media. The liars scream 'fake news' about the people telling the truth, and these rural citizens fall for the lie.

Democrats want jobs, higher work incomes, healthcare for everyone, education, and other things good for the people that benefit these rural citizens. Republicans want corporate profits, at the expense of jobs, the environment, power for the people, worker income and well-being, healthcare, education, and other things that benefit the people.

But it's not clear how to help these rural citizens to understand who is on their side economically, and who is out to screw them while conning them that they're on their side. That right-wing media bubble, that 'good ole boy' politician who knows how to lie well as they serve the rich, are hard to overcome. And so the rural voters remain conned and loving the con men while they get screwed.

They just can't view other human beings as fell human beings, but only as enemies they want to see have nothing, wrongly thinking that benefits them.

Even when they are the targets - like red states turning down Medicaid expansion to their own states while Democrats get more healthcare - they still cheer it. Democrats tried to get them more healthcare, making that universal; Republicans fought it and now millions of Republicans go without.
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We need another Bill Clinton. He was the best I ever saw at talking to rural Americans and small town folk and communicating complex policies and economics in a way that was easy to understand and persuasive. He knew how to tell a story, how to use metaphors and surround it all with homespun humor and southern charm. He could do more in a 'town Hall format that any three speakers could. In 1992 he won Arksansas, Georgia, Louisiana Missouri, ,Tennesee, Kentucky, Iowa, West Virginia, Montana, Minnisota, and Wisconsin.

I don't see one of those in 2019.
 
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rickc said:
Well all i can say is right wing propaganda is very effective.

Republicans have labled the democrats as the party of the minority. No self respecting rural white male is going to vote for a democrat.

The way to change that is to fight fire with fire. Show what Republicans really fight for in legislation not their campaign rhetoric. Bear the heart of the party and what it has done to America's working/middle class. Drag it all out there for the world to see. Explain why they fight for lower taxes for the rich and why they want to reduce regulations. Show them that all this hoopla about illegal immigration is just campaign rhetoric that will be forgotten as soon as the election is over.
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What about the women's vote? Show videos and pictures of kittens.
 
btthegreat said:
We need another Bill Clinton. He was the best I ever saw at talking to rural Americans and small town folk and communicating complex policies and economics in a way that was easy to understand and persuasive. He knew how to tell a story, how to use metaphors and surround it all with homespun humor and southern charm. He could do more in a 'town Hall format that any three speakers could.
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He is a true Democrat in that he knew where black people need to be in the eyes of the Democratic Party's white people - prison.
 
Craig234 said:
But it ignores things like HOW to get other messages to these people, when there is a right-wing media machine worth billions of dollars, with Fox News and 90% of talk radio, that creates a bubble for them. Those are harder problems.
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The “how” will be in seeing the failure of the Right. Most of us see the failure of Right Wing policies. It’s only a matter of time before the rural poor/working class see it too. Eventually hate for brown and gay people is trumped by lack of things like schools and hospitals and jobs and opportunities while those lying to them break rules and get tax abatements for promises they fail to deliver.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Just an observation that the "people" are becoming not quite as enamoured of California as you seem to be.
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The main cause of the population issues are a low birth rate and aging population.

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Try some actual facts - California is ranked fifth in the nation for happiest citizens. Southern red states fill the bottom. We'd be higher than fifth, but one of the three categories, work environment, we're only 24th.

Happiest States in America
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Democrats are only on their side. Their sole purpose of existence is control of power. Their strategy is to divide and conquer. Pigeonhole everyone into little groups and make them feel like victims, then swoop in and make Robin Hood promises they never intended to keep. Just give 'em your vote, like a good little Toby.

When was the last time a democrat ever talked about citizens in general, without mentioning race, religion, culture, etc. They can't. It's just not possible.
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100%. It's a constant drone of various identities to separate one American from the other: Black, white, brown, LGBT, "Latinx", "POC", "NON-POC". Then there are the terms of blame such as "white privilege".
 
Rickeroo said:
100%. It's a constant drone of various identities to separate one American from the other: Black, white, brown, LGBT, "Latinx", "POC", "NON-POC". Then there are the terms of blame such as "white privilege".
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White privileges are real.
 
calamity said:
White privileges are real.
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Very true. Our society expects performance out of white people. So much so that we expect whites to do second best in math next to Asians. How well do you think America expects blacks to do in math? Last place among the races?
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Democrats are only on their side. Their sole purpose of existence is control of power. Their strategy is to divide and conquer. Pigeonhole everyone into little groups and make them feel like victims, then swoop in and make Robin Hood promises they never intended to keep. Just give 'em your vote, like a good little Toby.

When was the last time a democrat ever talked about citizens in general, without mentioning race, religion, culture, etc. They can't. It's just not possible.
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This is one of the most ignorant things I've read in a while. Pull the right-wing, outrage culture IV out of your arm and actually watch Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or Ro Khanna or AOC or whoever talk about their policies and what they support. Look at the voting records.

The Democratic party is not some Twitter SJW catfight or college campus safe space. No one likes those people, not even those of us on the left.
 
Luther said:
I'm a Janitor and white

Where is my "white privilege"?
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Maybe you're a janitor in a good area. Maybe you're unionized, and not contracted. Maybe you got a job over someone with a name like Demarcus.

Maybe you never got stopped by the cops for being the wrong color in the neighborhood you lived in. Maybe your parents were able to afford food and new clothes for you.

Not everyone is / was as privileged as Donald Trump, but privilege exists all the same. Maybe you should spend more time reflecting on your life and less time trying to get someone else to guess about your life.
 
nekrodev said:
Maybe you're a janitor in a good area. Maybe you're unionized, and not contracted. Maybe you got a job over someone with a name like Demarcus.

Maybe you never got stopped by the cops for being the wrong color in the neighborhood you lived in. Maybe your parents were able to afford food and new clothes for you.

Not everyone is / was as privileged as Donald Trump, but privilege exists all the same. Maybe you should spend more time reflecting on your life and less time trying to get someone else to guess about your life.
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Maybe you're a janitor in a good area. Maybe you're unionized, and not contracted
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Not union and I make $11.00 an hour($22.000 a year) so there(wink)





Maybe you got a job over someone with a name like Demarcus.
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Nope , very fey blacks.. More like I'm lucky to have my job since the majority are Hispanics(LOL)



Not everyone is / was as privileged as Donald Trump,
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True, the 1% are a minority(lOL)
 
Luther said:
I'm a Janitor and white

Where is my "white privilege"?
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You won’t get pulled over routinely driving through town. You won’t be eyed extra closely with the cameras at the store. And people won’t routinely cross over to the other side of the street when they see you walking down.
 
Luther said:
I'm a Janitor and white

Where is my "white privilege"?
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You have a job, you don’t get shot on the way to work, and you are highly unlikely to be arrested and convicted of a crime you didn’t commit. Your kids can be anything they are qualified to be, they can walk into a store and not be viewed suspiciously, and no matter where they go, no one will ever call you or anyone in your family an N-word.

Sounds pretty freaking privileged to me.
 
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calamity said:
You have a job, you don’t get shot on the way to work, and you are highly unlikely to be arrested and convicted of a crime you didn’t commit. Your kids can be anything they are qualified to be, they can walk into a store and not be viewed suspiciously, and no matter where they go, no one will ever call you or anyone in your family an N-word.

Sounds pretty freaking privileged to me.
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I really don't like the phrase "white privilege". Privilege is something more fitting the plutocrats and their advantages. The disparities between whites and non-whites is real, but it's NOT because whites have things they shouldn't, like freedom from a lot of police wrongs, but the issue is rather that minorities are and were treated unfairly.

It's really not about 'privilege'; whites simply have what everyone should. Saying 'white privilege' makes it an attack on white people and hurts understanding. As bad as 'driving while black' being a crime is, we're making 'driving while white with privilege' one also, and also wrongly. Being treated fairly as a white person isn't privilege; not being treated fairly as a non-white person is the problem. No reason to alienate white people for doing nothing wrong.
 
Luther said:
I thought I was spot on

Where did I miss the point?
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I wouldn't know where to start. Read the OP again. The topic is that Democrats are on the side of lower and middle class Americans economically, not the topic of coal regulation.

Your post seems to be an irrelevancy triggered by the JFK reaction to hunger in West Virginia and West Virginia having a lot of coal mining, while the issue of coal dying out wasn't even an issue on the radar then, decades before climate change and alternative energy industries as issues were growing. So you basically interjected an irrelevant comment.
 
calamity said:
You have a job, you don’t get shot on the way to work, and you are highly unlikely to be arrested and convicted of a crime you didn’t commit. Your kids can be anything they are qualified to be, they can walk into a store and not be viewed suspiciously, and no matter where they go, no one will ever call you or anyone in your family an N-word.

Sounds pretty freaking privileged to me.
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Could you provide proof that if you are not white, you likely don't have a job, you will get shot if you have one and are trying to get to it, you will be arrested and convicted of crimes you had nothing to do with. Your kids won't be allowed to be anything, you won't be allowed to go anywhere without people judging you, and you will be called the N word, even if you aren't black?

Looking forward to seeing it.
 
Craig234 said:
I wouldn't know where to start. Read the OP again. The topic is that Democrats are on the side of lower and middle class Americans economically, not the topic of coal regulation.

Your post seems to be an irrelevancy triggered by the JFK reaction to hunger in West Virginia and West Virginia having a lot of coal mining, while the issue of coal dying out wasn't even an issue on the radar then, decades before climate change and alternative energy industries as issues were growing. So you basically interjected an irrelevant comment.
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Here is your title of your thread?

What would it take for rural America to understand Democrats are 'on their side', not Republicans?
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Democrats are not on the side of coal mining Rural America WV Coal miner right?

So , as I see it it is completely relevant
 
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