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Why is it that folks on the right scream about socialism especially concerning healthcare and yet fully support corporate welfare?

Where are the deficit hawks from the republican side screaming about how we give corporate america billions in tax cuts and write offs?

Tell me again about how great capitalism and the free market system is wonderful, the best thing ever. Until we the taxpayers have to bail out those free markets ala the bush administration disaster.
 
Why is it that folks on the right scream about socialism especially concerning healthcare and yet fully support corporate welfare?

Where are the deficit hawks from the republican side screaming about how we give corporate america billions in tax cuts and write offs?

Tell me again about how great capitalism and the free market system is wonderful, the best thing ever. Until we the taxpayers have to bail out those free markets ala the bush administration disaster.

I'll tell you why. It's all about money; other people don't matter to the 'I got mine', smugness exemplified in conservatism. ANYTHING they perceive as potentially costing them a few extra cents will be condemned. However, ask them how much they believe they will be out of pocket, personally, and you'll be fortunate if you get anything approaching a coherent response. Never mind, all those angry old white conservatives who yearn for the 'good old days' will soon be dead and you won't have to hear them whining any longer.
 
Why is it that folks on the right scream about socialism especially concerning healthcare and yet fully support corporate welfare?

You should do a study and find out exactly how many people do both of these things, especially as compared to those who are opposed to both. You should then present your results.

Until you do, you don't know if what you say is even true, or true to any significant degree.

If you don't care to find out if what you say is true, well, that's a whole other category of error.
 
You should do a study and find out exactly how many people do both of these things, especially as compared to those who are opposed to both. You should then present your results.

Until you do, you don't know if what you say is even true, or true to any significant degree.

If you don't care to find out if what you say is true, well, that's a whole other category of error.

Study? My results? You're kidding, right? If you think what I'm saying isn't true. Type in these two words in a search. Corporate welfare and see for yourself.
 
Why is it that folks on the right scream about socialism especially concerning healthcare and yet fully support corporate welfare?

Where are the deficit hawks from the republican side screaming about how we give corporate america billions in tax cuts and write offs?

Tell me again about how great capitalism and the free market system is wonderful, the best thing ever. Until we the taxpayers have to bail out those free markets ala the bush administration disaster.

What do you mean by "corporate welfare"?

Business is the driver of American Prosperity. A healthy business climate benefits employees, and the country. It creates revenue streams from which many things can be financed, and continued prosperity insured.

It's kind of basic logic stuff. But I can understand that might be a bridge too far for some to cross.
 
Study? My results? You're kidding, right? If you think what I'm saying isn't true. Type in these two words in a search. Corporate welfare and see for yourself.

See, I'm not required to do you work for you. You made a claim, so it's up to you to support it. You haven't shown the slightest interest in doing so.

That said, it took me about ten seconds to find this:

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H.R. 384 (111th): TARP Reform and Accountability Act of 2009 -- GovTrack.us

Which is volumes more fact than you've presented to support your OP.

You have something better? Something which supports what you say? Let's see it.
 
What do you mean by "corporate welfare"?

Business is the driver of American Prosperity. A healthy business climate benefits employees, and the country. It creates revenue streams from which many things can be financed, and continued prosperity insured.

It's kind of basic logic stuff. But I can understand that might be a bridge too far for some to cross.

It's not what I mean by corporate welfare. As I said earlier, do a search with these two words...corporate welfare....and find out for yourself. I don't post links for people who deny facts. If you want to find out, look it up. If not, proceed with bs responses.
 
It's not what I mean by corporate welfare. As I said earlier, do a search with these two words...corporate welfare....and find out for yourself. I don't post links for people who deny facts. If you want to find out, look it up. If not, proceed with bs responses.

You haven't posted any "facts." I, however, have, and it cuts against your claim.

I'll ask you again -- do you have anything better? Anything that supports your claim? It doesn't seem as though you even have any interest in trying. And as I said, that's a whole different category of error from just being mistaken. It's willful ignorance.
 
See, I'm not required to do you work for you. You made a claim, so it's up to you to support it. You haven't shown the slightest interest in doing so.

That said, it took me about ten seconds to find this:

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H.R. 384 (111th): TARP Reform and Accountability Act of 2009 -- GovTrack.us

Which is volumes more fact than you've presented to support your OP.

You have something better? Something which supports what you say? Let's see it.

Lol, you have the nerve to post something that obama did to save america from the disaster of the bush presidency. Good one. Wasn't tarp the saving of the free markets by the taxpayers? You know those great free markets that are so wonderful for america.

I don't post links for people who deny facts. Search...corporate welfare...and see what you get. I'll bet it isn't tarp.
 
It's not what I mean by corporate welfare. As I said earlier, do a search with these two words...corporate welfare....and find out for yourself. I don't post links for people who deny facts. If you want to find out, look it up. If not, proceed with bs responses.

Gee, asking for clarification on a key term used in your statement wasn't meant to trigger you. It was simply to understand the foundation of your argument.

And here I thought you were actually seeking to learn something.

And you state my response was BS...

I see this thread is pointless, so I'll move on.
 
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Gee, asking for clarification on a key term used in your statement wasn't meant to trigger you. It was simply to understand the foundation of your argument.

And you state my response was BS...

I see this thread is pointless, so I'll move on.

Good idea, bye.
 
Lol, you have the nerve to post something that obama did to save america from the disaster of the bush presidency. Good one. Wasn't tarp the saving of the free markets by the taxpayers? You know those great free markets that are so wonderful for america.

I don't post links for people who deny facts. Search...corporate welfare...and see what you get. I'll bet it isn't tarp.

OK, this is just silly. The chart shows, clearly, "the right" opposing corporate welfare. Unequivocally. That you want to say corporate welfare is a good idea is 100% irrelevant. In point of irrefutable fact, Republicans opposed it.

Your continuing stubborn refusal to post anything supporting what you claim is telling all on its own.
 
Why is it that folks on the right scream about socialism especially concerning healthcare and yet fully support corporate welfare?

Where are the deficit hawks from the republican side screaming about how we give corporate america billions in tax cuts and write offs?

Tell me again about how great capitalism and the free market system is wonderful, the best thing ever. Until we the taxpayers have to bail out those free markets ala the bush administration disaster.

You do understand that much of this falls under the "Laws of Unintended Consequences"....

Right?

Part of the social engineering and environmental issues in some cases.

If a corporation pushes green initiatives the get a tax credit

A certain number of employees telecommuting or car pooling. Tax credit

Donations. Tax credit

Hiring the Handicapped (Exactly how they said it). Tax credit

Hire a vet. Tax credit

Minority Business. Tax break or grant.

Family Leave Act. Tax credit.

R&D costs. Tax credit.

Access for Disabled Person tax credit.

Small Business Healthcare tax credit.

Do those get swept off the table as well?
 
You do understand that much of this falls under the "Laws of Unintended Consequences"....

Right?

Part of the social engineering and environmental issues in some cases.

If a corporation pushes green initiatives the get a tax credit

A certain number of employees telecommuting or car pooling. Tax credit

Donations. Tax credit

Hiring the Handicapped (Exactly how they said it). Tax credit

Hire a vet. Tax credit

Minority Business. Tax break or grant.

Family Leave Act. Tax credit.

R&D costs. Tax credit.

Access for Disabled Person tax credit.

Small Business Healthcare tax credit.

Do those get swept off the table as well?

Which of those fall under the free market system? Yes, do away with all of them. You want to be a business person? Use your money to start your business and if it fails, it fails and you lose your money. If it's successful, great. That is the free market system, which we have corrupted to all hell.
 
Which of those fall under the free market system? Yes, do away with all of them. You want to be a business person? Use your money to start your business and if it fails, it fails and you lose your money. If it's successful, great. That is the free market system, which we have corrupted to all hell.

We who? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Small business drive our economy.

And you don't care if they fail.

Got it.

Oh, it wasn't the "Right wing" that pushed for much of the list I provided.
 
What do you mean by "corporate welfare"?

Business is the driver of American Prosperity. A healthy business climate benefits employees, and the country. It creates revenue streams from which many things can be financed, and continued prosperity insured.

It's kind of basic logic stuff. But I can understand that might be a bridge too far for some to cross.

Healthy business climate?
Where most of the profit goes to top percent of the people and the rest can't earn a living wage? Really?
A tax cut giving during the most prosperous business climate...really?
We used to want better for our fellow Americans.
 
Which of those fall under the free market system? Yes, do away with all of them. You want to be a business person? Use your money to start your business and if it fails, it fails and you lose your money. If it's successful, great. That is the free market system, which we have corrupted to all hell.

Eariler, you were arguing that bailouts were good.

Some more hard numbers for you:

First vote of the 2008 bailout in the House, Republicans voted 2 to 1 against it. (133 nay, 65 yay). Second vote, a majority of Republicans still voted against it (108 nay, 91 yay).

Things do not look good for your claims. Still waiting for better numbers in support of what you said.
 
“Why is it that folks on the right scream about socialism especially concerning healthcare and yet fully support corporate welfare?”

Corporate subsidies are the PC way, IMO, of saying “corporate welfare”. There is no need to prove that corporate subsidies and other types of benefits to corps exist. I can argue that corp tax cuts are corp welfare. So, yeah, a definition of what the OP means by “corp welfare” would be helpful to know we’re debating over the same thing. Anyway, it can be asked to prove corp welfare significance, how much money it costs the taxpayer relative to whatever, in the OP’s claim.

“Where are the deficit hawks from the republican side screaming about how we give corporate america billions in tax cuts and write offs?”

This question/claim does not require evidence of proof unless anyone demanding so is not aware of such. So, if one is willing to demand such evidence, one should be willing to admit ignorance. Therefor, the OP can ask if ignorant and, if so, will supply the answer. That would be some kinda ignorance. It puts people’s word on record.

“Tell me again about how great capitalism and the free market system is wonderful, the best thing ever. Until we the taxpayers have to bail out those free markets ala the bush administration disaster.”

What’s better? Socialism? Mixed? Your own suggestion not yet ever practiced? That we “bail out those free markets” is obviously true and does not need evidence of proof. However, it does not prove where capitalism and the free market are on the scale of “great” and “wonderful”.
 
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We who? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Small business drive our economy.

And you don't care if they fail.

Got it.

Oh, it wasn't the "Right wing" that pushed for much of the list I provided.

Back to you usual distortions, I see He didn't say that he "didn't care."

He and I - and most of the American people - believe that businesses of all sizes should sink or swim on their own. Exactly as the free market intends, by the way.
 
Back to you usual distortions, I see He didn't say that he "didn't care."

He and I - and most of the American people - believe that businesses of all sizes should sink or swim on their own. Exactly as the free market intends, by the way.

Ah, so you believe enticement to go green is a bad thing.

How stand you on rewarding companies for donations?

Hiring the handicapped or veterans?

No support for Minority businesses either?

No recompense for Family Leave?

Have you any polling data stating the majority of Americans are against those things?






Didn't think so.
 
I'll tell you why. It's all about money; other people don't matter to the 'I got mine', smugness exemplified in conservatism. ANYTHING they perceive as potentially costing them a few extra cents will be condemned. However, ask them how much they believe they will be out of pocket, personally, and you'll be fortunate if you get anything approaching a coherent response. Never mind, all those angry old white conservatives who yearn for the 'good old days' will soon be dead and you won't have to hear them whining any longer.

If there is any group that other people don't matter to, it is liberals. They only make a pretense in order to string people along politically. They never really do anything for them. (ie. move them toward self sufficiency. That might lose their vote.) When it comes to the homeless they won't even lift a finger to get them out of the gutters of their own cities. So, they show a gross disdain for both the homeless and their own taxpayers. Illegal immigrants? Again, nothing more than cynical political games. If Democrats didn't see political advantage in having illegals coming in here, they could all die in the desert for all they care. Let's not forget about their "compassion" for the unborn, too. It's also a fact that red states give more to charity. Liberals are big on giving away money as long as it's someone else's.
 
Why is it that folks on the right scream about socialism especially concerning healthcare and yet fully support corporate welfare?

Where are the deficit hawks from the republican side screaming about how we give corporate america billions in tax cuts and write offs?

Tell me again about how great capitalism and the free market system is wonderful, the best thing ever. Until we the taxpayers have to bail out those free markets ala the bush administration disaster.

I don't support corporate welfare.
 
Ah, so you believe enticement to go green is a bad thing.

How stand you on rewarding companies for donations?

Hiring the handicapped or veterans?

No support for Minority businesses either?

No recompense for Family Leave?

Have you any polling data stating the majority of Americans are against those things?






Didn't think so.
Isn't that corporate welfare? Corporate welfare is used to entice a corporation to do something otherwise against its interest or to compensate for something out of its control such as a government created issue .....as in trade disputes with China and others.
Interesting that Kamala is advocating a program very much like the one that resulted in the financial crisis.
I have owned a corporation for a great number of years......don't recall any "welfare" unless you call depreciation or carrying losses forward welfare.
I did buy some equipment before January 1 and wrote it off 100%. Was that welfare? Or stimulus?


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