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Tuscon BP Chief dispels the lies of AOC.

bluesmoke said:
I think debating with facts and common meaning/definition is a good guide. A claim was made that most Americans want a wall without supporting evidence of fact. No definition was given of a “wall”, let alone what, when asked, who polled thought was a wall. I don’t believe we can have an intelligent and informative discussion or debate otherwise. A good question in debate is at some point to ask: “Given proven information to support or refute a claim, would you thereby agree with that side which bears the burden of proof?” Whoever says “To hell with them” while not providing necessary evidence to prove a claim fails the debate.
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Both sides of the wall issue have supporters. What makes it right to give one side the freedom to move forward while denying the rest any say in the matter? Are we to resist Trump and the wall just because we cannot prove the balance scale is tipped toward the side that wants a wall built?

Why not introduce all the facts and debate the whole issue and not just post partisan talking points? Why do any Americans want illegal immigration stopped? Should Trump do all he can to stop illegal immigration? I think so. Can you offer proof that is not a good idea?
 
marke said:
Do you want me to debate? Then tell me why you think the American people do not want a wall if they elected Trump for promising to build a wall. How many people does it take to say those who do not want a wall built should be given precedence over those who do want a wall built?
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“Do you want me to debate?”

Well, this forum is called debatepolitics.

“Then tell me why you think the American people do not want a wall if they elected Trump for promising to build a wall. How many people does it take to say those who do not want a wall built should be given precedence over those who do want a wall built?”

Now you’re asking me questions without having produced the evidence I asked for that you support what you’ve already claimed. The burden of proof in a debate lies with the claim- maker, you, and if he or she does not meet it then the opponent, me, does not need to argue against the unfounded claim. If you do not want to debate, which includes you prove what you say, then your claim is dismissed for lack of evidence. In actuality, you’re avoiding debate by going off on tangents while not bothering to back up your own words.
 
marke said:
Both sides of the wall issue have supporters. What makes it right to give one side the freedom to move forward while denying the rest any say in the matter? Are we to resist Trump and the wall just because we cannot prove the balance scale is tipped toward the side that wants a wall built?

Why not introduce all the facts and debate the whole issue and not just post partisan talking points? Why do any Americans want illegal immigration stopped? Should Trump do all he can to stop illegal immigration? I think so. Can you offer proof that is not a good idea?
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“Both sides of the wall issue have supporters.”

Yes. That’s why it’s called an “issue” by definition.

“What makes it right to give one side the freedom to move forward while denying the rest any say in the matter?”

There are any number of procedural rules in Congress and elsewhere that allow the least practical “right” for say in a matter before it proceeds forward. You’re getting plenty of “say” on this thread with me. You’re just not backing up what you say.

“Are we to resist Trump and the wall just because we cannot prove the balance scale is tipped toward the side that wants a wall built?”

No. I’m just asking for evidence to support your claim that “Tens of millions of Americans and hundreds of border agents and law enforcement officers want a wall but a handful of border agents and a disgruntled mob of democrats do not want a wall.” Your claim means there are more Americans that want a wall than don’t. Though asked, you’ve never provided evidence to substantiate this claim of yours. Now, you seemingly go back on the claim you use to justify having a wall, being that if so many Americans want a wall then we must build a wall, and now say just the reverse. That even if a minority favor a wall, that shouldn’t stop the wall from being built.

“Why not introduce all the facts and debate the whole issue and not just post partisan talking points? Why do any Americans want illegal immigration stopped? Should Trump do all he can to stop illegal immigration? I think so. Can you offer proof that is not a good idea?”

You’re all over the map. If you can’t properly debate and produce evidence (as in "why not introduce all the facts" as you correctly state yourself) to back up your claims, I’m not interested in following your tangents as you run away from your own word for lack of evidence to back up what you say. What can be asserted without evidence, as you do repeatedly, can be dismissed without evidence and need not be debated further on my part.
 
bluesmoke said:
“Both sides of the wall issue have supporters.”

Yes. That’s why it’s called an “issue” by definition.

“What makes it right to give one side the freedom to move forward while denying the rest any say in the matter?”

There are any number of procedural rules in Congress and elsewhere that allow the least practical “right” for say in a matter before it proceeds forward. You’re getting plenty of “say” on this thread with me. You’re just not backing up what you say.

“Are we to resist Trump and the wall just because we cannot prove the balance scale is tipped toward the side that wants a wall built?”

No. I’m just asking for evidence to support your claim that “Tens of millions of Americans and hundreds of border agents and law enforcement officers want a wall but a handful of border agents and a disgruntled mob of democrats do not want a wall.” Your claim means there are more Americans that want a wall than don’t. Though asked, you’ve never provided evidence to substantiate this claim of yours. Now, you seemingly go back on the claim you use to justify having a wall, being that if so many Americans want a wall then we must build a wall, and now say just the reverse. That even if a minority favor a wall, that shouldn’t stop the wall from being built.

“Why not introduce all the facts and debate the whole issue and not just post partisan talking points? Why do any Americans want illegal immigration stopped? Should Trump do all he can to stop illegal immigration? I think so. Can you offer proof that is not a good idea?”

You’re all over the map. If you can’t properly debate and produce evidence (as in "why not introduce all the facts" as you correctly state yourself) to back up your claims, I’m not interested in following your tangents as you run away from your own word for lack of evidence to back up what you say. What can be asserted without evidence, as you do repeatedly, can be dismissed without evidence and need not be debated further on my part.
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Trump campaigned on the promise to build a wall. Leftists mocked him for that and predicted the American people would soundly reject him on election day. The leftists were wrong about Trump, the will, understanding and motivation of the American people, and American support for a wall. Leftists did not learn from their loss and so they remain out of touch with the majority of the American people.
 
marke said:
Trump campaigned on the promise to build a wall. Leftists mocked him for that and predicted the American people would soundly reject him on election day. The leftists were wrong about Trump, the will, understanding and motivation of the American people, and American support for a wall. Leftists did not learn from their loss and so they remain out of touch with the majority of the American people.
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“they remain out of touch with the majority of the American people.”

The majority of the American people voted for Hillary. Go away and come back when you believe enough in yourself to back up your own words with the facts you say should be introduced that you refuse to introduce yourself. The only thing you’ve proven is your lack of credibility.
 
bluesmoke said:
“they remain out of touch with the majority of the American people.”

The majority of the American people voted for Hillary. Go away and come back when you believe enough in yourself to back up your own words with the facts you say should be introduced that you refuse to introduce yourself. The only thing you’ve proven is your lack of credibility.
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The majority of the American people are not demanding Trump stop trying to close the border, it is just a few radical democrat commies and their lying anti-American cheerleaders in the press who are attempting that nonsense.
 
marke said:
The majority of the American people are not demanding Trump stop trying to close the border, it is just a few radical democrat commies and their lying anti-American cheerleaders in the press who are attempting that nonsense.
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List the names of these 'few radical democrat commies' and provide links to support your claim.
 
Marke Post #256:
“The majority of the American people are not demanding Trump stop trying to close the border, it is just a few radical democrat commies and their lying anti-American cheerleaders in the press who are attempting that nonsense.”

Ha-ha-ha-ha. Haaa-ha-ha-hawww. Everybody’s a comedian. You’ve got a million of’em. After utterly failing to support your own claims you remain in stooped position to stay low enough to reel-off ad hominem, for lack of anything substantive, about “commies” and “anti-American” in defense of a president who’s in self-professed love, exchanging love letters, with a Communist dictator who had a peaceful American tortured to eventual death but Trump took the dictator’s word that that wasn’t the truth. Oh, the irony. You should write for SNL. I like this guy.

You’ve been dis-armed and de-feeted. Quit while you’re a head.
 
marke said:
The majority of the American people are not demanding Trump stop trying to close the border, it is just a few radical democrat commies and their lying anti-American cheerleaders in the press who are attempting that nonsense.
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“The majority of the American people are not demanding Trump stop trying to close the border, it is just a few radical democrat commies and their lying anti-American cheerleaders in the press who are attempting that nonsense.”

Ha-ha-ha-ha. Haaa-ha-ha-hawww. Everybody’s a comedian. You’ve got a million of’em. After utterly failing to support your own claims you remain in stooped position to stay low enough to reel-off ad hominem, for lack of anything substantive, about “commies” and “anti-American” in defense of a president who’s in self-professed love, exchanging love letters, with a Communist dictator who had a peaceful American tortured to eventual death but Trump took the dictator’s word that that wasn’t the truth. Oh, the irony. You should write for SNL. I like this guy.

You’ve been dis-armed and de-feeted. Quit while you’re a head.
 
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