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Has The Pledge Of Allegiance Been A Failure?

I find it interesting how some scoff at the use of the Pledge. So how do you show support for the US?

Red Skelton said it well many years ago.


 
mike2810 said:
I find it interesting how some scoff at the use of the Pledge. So how do you show support for the US?

Red Skelton said it well many years ago.


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I -- Me; an individual; a committee of one.

Pledge -- Dedicate all of my worldly good to give without self-pity.

Allegiance -- My love and my devotion.

To the Flag -- Our standard. “Old Glory”; a symbol of courage. And wherever she waves, there is respect, because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts “Freedom is everybody's job.”

of the United -- That means we have all come together.

States -- Individual communities that have united into 48 great states; 48 individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose; all divided by imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common cause, and that’s love of country --

Of America.

And to the Republic -- A Republic: a sovereign state in which power is invested into the representatives chosen by the people to govern; and the government is the people; and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people.

For which it stands

One Nation Under God -- Meaning "so blessed by God."

Indivisible -- Incapable of being divided.

With Liberty -- Which is freedom; the right of power for one to live his own life without fears, threats, or any sort of retaliation.

And Justice -- The principle and qualities of dealing fairly with others.

For All -- For All. That means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine.
 
marke said:
No, the Pledge of Allegiance has been a very good thing for a long time among patriotic Americans.
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Really?

I feel very patriotic to a country that now forces people to pay a Fed income tax while 44%(Last count) do not have to pay?

You were saying?
 
Luther said:
Really?

I feel very patriotic to a country that now forces people to pay a Fed income tax while 44%(Last count) do not have to pay?

You were saying?
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If you don't like paying federal income taxes then don't vote democrat in 2020. Democrats cannot wait for Trump to be out of their way so they can resume out of control taxation and spending.
 
are you saying that Americans shouldn't be asking Communist China to manufacture dirt on another Americans?
 
marke said:
If you don't like paying federal income taxes then don't vote democrat in 2020. Democrats cannot wait for Trump to be out of their way so they can resume out of control taxation and spending.
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If you don't like paying federal income taxes then don't vote democrat in 2020.
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Wrong

Both Pub's and dims created the Fed income tax to begin with(wink)


Democrats cannot wait for Trump to be out of their way so they can resume out of control taxation and spending.
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First of all, you have been duped. These so called "Tax cuts" are ONLY temporary(Hello)

Spending you say?

Now here's some spending for ya! Who was the last defense to stop this spending? You know who!

Trump signs $1.3 trillion spending bill, despite earlier threat to veto | Fox News
 
Jredbaron96 said:
But the Pledge says specifically the flag and the government, not our people nor our values, among them freedom and self-determination.
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who or what makes the United States of America? Is it not the citizens/people?
 
Luther said:
Really?

I feel very patriotic to a country that now forces people to pay a Fed income tax while 44%(Last count) do not have to pay?

You were saying?
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One nice thing about the US. People are free to leave.:mrgreen:

The pledge has not failed. Some people have failed the country.
 
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Luther said:
To me it has

All this talk of some schools that do not recite it means nothing anyway .

Look around you? Look at our ignorant citizenry?

Most citizens don't even know what kind of Government we have.

What say you?
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I am sure most kids in school just said it to avoid detention
 
mike2810 said:
One nice thing about the US. You are free to leave.:mrgreen:
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Nah....

You are free to support vain politicians in a broken political system due to a vain American citizenry

I'll stick to the spirit in what was our AMERICAN REVOLUTION

Thank you very much
 
Grandpappy said:
No pledge. the flag is a racist symbol, praising the efforts of our military is warmongering, America was never great....you guys ever thought about a one way ticket to Venezuela? I know you'd like it way better down there.
Who would you pledge allegiance to, Che Guevara?
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Why pledge anyway? What difference does it make to anything? It's just words and is about as pointless as praying.
 
Luther said:
No, they say it because it just the norm and repetitive
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I was always threatened with detention, but I was also in a rural conservative area.

Personally, I had always thought of it as creepy. Why am I basically praying to a piece of cloth? Real love of the country is a conceptual thing.
 
snakestretcher said:
Why pledge anyway? What difference does it make to anything? It's just words and is about as pointless as praying.
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It's just words and is about as pointless as praying.
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Word mean something Snakestretch . When they are the correct words(wink)

Like these words


Before the famous crossing of the Delaware on the way to victory at Trenton in late 1776, General George Washington ordered officers to read Paine's The American Crisis to the Continental Army. Contained in that pamphlet were Paine's famous words, "These are the times that try mens souls."
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tacomancer said:
I was always threatened with detention, but I was also in a rural conservative area.

Personally, I had always thought of it as creepy. Why am I basically praying to a piece of cloth? Real love of the country is a conceptual thing.
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I was always threatened with detention,
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They can threaten you all they want, can they really force you?

I think not
 
Luther said:
They can threaten you all they want, can they really force you?

I think not
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It was a rural georgia town, they did it to kids all the time.

I am aware of court rulings, and the school staff probably was too, but that was the culture.

As a kid, I certainly wasn't think about contacting the ACLU or anything. It was 20 seconds of annoyance in the mornings.
 
Luther said:
To me it has

All this talk of some schools that do not recite it means nothing anyway .

Look around you? Look at our ignorant citizenry?

Most citizens don't even know what kind of Government we have.

What say you?
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It succeeded in its original purpose.

It won its author a prize at the 1893 Columbian Exposition.
 
tacomancer said:
It was a rural georgia town, they did it to kids all the time.

I am aware of court rulings, and the school staff probably was too, but that was the culture.

As a kid, I certainly wasn't think about contacting the ACLU (even though my parents probably wouldn't have had a problem with it, now that I think about it)
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So, to some it up, it was just a threat?
 
Luther said:
So, to some it up, it was just a threat?
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kids got detention if I recall. I wasn't willing to because 20 seconds of annoyance vs 30-45 min of annoyance... I did the calculation
 
Luther said:
Word mean something Snakestretch . When they are the correct words(wink)

Like these words
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'Rope is thicker but string is quicker' (Spike Milligan). That's quite correct. Might just as well use that as a pledge for all the difference it makes.
 
snakestretcher said:
Why pledge anyway? What difference does it make to anything? It's just words and is about as pointless as praying.
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Don't you people sing "God save the Queen" occasionally? I hear it's the same tune as "My Country tis of Thee".
 
Grandpappy said:
So you feel no allegiance to the UK? Ever wanted to burn the Union Jack?
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No, why should I feel any allegiance because of an accident of geography and birth? I didn't choose to be born here. Bits of symbolic coloured cloth are meaningless to me. My only allegiance is to family and friends.
 
snakestretcher said:
No, why should I feel any allegiance because of an accident of geography and birth? I didn't choose to be born here. Bits of symbolic coloured cloth are meaningless to me. My only allegiance is to family and friends.
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How sad. I feel sorry for you. A man without a country.
 
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