Is it time for us to retire old glory?

AtlantaAdonis said:

Yes indeed. If you're a jingoist that gets it drilled in your head that our troops fight for our "freedumb" against countries whose GDP is smaller than our military budget, then you probably love the flag.

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The people of Belgium, France, England, the rest of the English Empire of the time, Philippines, Guam, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy, Germany, Austria, Japan, Denmark, Norway, etc. may take issue with your nonsense....

Yakshi said:

I’m aware of much of the symbolism. I don’t dispute the symbolism.

My point is that it is one of the ugliest flags I’ve ever seen.

It looks frantic.

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As compared to?

The majority of flags are simple tricolors.... Often kissing cousins to other nations. The Nordic countries are all variation on a theme. Japan a simple disk. Switzerland a simple cross.

All boring.

Middle East are variations of the old Arab League.

Compared with every other country flag.

I can’t picture one that’s worse, but I’m sure there are a couple loonier ones out there.

"This code is the guide for all handling and display of the Stars and Stripes. It does not impose penalties for misuse of the United States Flag. That is left to the states and to the federal government for the District of Columbia. Each state has its own flag law.

Criminal penalties for certain acts of desecration to the flag were contained in Title 18 of the United States Code prior to 1989. The Supreme Court decision in Texas v. Johnson; June 21, 1989, held the statute unconstitutional. This statute was amended when the Flag Protection Act of 1989 (Oct. 28, 1989) imposed a fine and/or up to I year in prison for knowingly mutilating, defacing, physically defiling, maintaining on the floor or trampling upon any flag of the United States. The Flag Protection Act of 1989 was struck down by the Supreme Court decision, United States vs. Eichman, decided on June 11, 1990."

Okay....so that's our current code US code concerning mistreatment of the American flag.

Let me go back, prior to the change in US code for the flag, to the days when respect for the flag was actually a US code , last amended in 1998.

4 U.S. Code § 8. Respect for flag

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.

(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.

(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.

(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

So now we wear the American flag on our asses, some wear it as clothing to look like an ass, people use the flag to sell sex, and some even dress their dog in an American flag. I remember when I was a kid, the American flag was almost a sacred symbol. This country has lost a large portion of its morality by letting these traditions fade away into oblivion, never to return. Is there any other country in the free world that allows their flag to be treated as such? Certainly not in China or Russia. Sometimes freedom of speech and freedom of expression oversteps boundaries of decency or common sense.

azgreg said:

I'm not prepared to discard a symbol just because some asstards decided to adopt it as their flag.

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Swastikas? Personally, i blame Hitler for ruining a perfectly good mustache style.

AtlantaAdonis said:

The whole situation with Nike and Colin Kaepernick has just made me realize that even the current US flag can never truly be anything but a banner our long history of racism, bigotry, and white-mile imperialism and the Trumpiss co-opting of it just solidifies that.

I propose we replace the red and white stripes with 8 stripes for a rainbow and replace the stars with a picture of Lady Liberty.

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Then some moron/group will co-opt the new one. I like it, 13 stripes for the original colonies and 50 stars for the current states. Now the national anthem could easily be replaced by America the Beautiful.

We are all free to voice our opinion regarding the flag but debate is pointless.

Old Glory ain't goin' anywhere. She is here to stay.

America is not NIKE. We are under no obligation to appease to any particular segment of pop culture.

It is what it is and it will stay that way.

The SJW's who are offended by America's history and want to re-write history can suck it.

The artsy-fartsy's, bleeding hearts and fashion police just need to get used to the way it looks because it's going to be flying high on flagpoles from coast-to-coast and you ain't gonna stop it.

Adapt and improvise.

Captain America said:

The American flag will fly on my flagpole until I am no longer able to hoist it to the top.

We are what we are. We were what we were. We will be what we are going to be.

The current flag represents that all.

You can't re-write history simply by changing banners. And I'm sick of all these obnoxious SJW's thinking they have some kind of right to steer the wagon. They need to just STFU and get back to their seats up in the peanut gallery. **** 'em.

Long live Old Glory!

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****, yeah.

Fledermaus said:

The people of Belgium, France, England, the rest of the English Empire of the time, Philippines, Guam, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Italy, Germany, Austria, Japan, Denmark, Norway, etc. may take issue with your nonsense....

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Maybe some of those people, do...

I notice almost all the countries you list are predominately white countries.

Ever take a look at America's legacy of covert warfare in Latin America? The legacy of war and imperialism in the middle east? What about colonialism in predominately African-American countries? The American legacy in countries of color is disastrous and is full of bullying and exploitation and is a result of structural racism written into the very DNA of our country.

Yakshi said:

As a general remark, I find the U.S. flag to be one of the tackiest, gaudiest flags in the world, as if a flamingo had just exploded onto white fabric. What a busy piece of trash it is.

We should have replaced it long ago with a design that doesn’t look bat**** crazy.

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Yakshi said:

I’m aware of much of the symbolism. I don’t dispute the symbolism.

My point is that it is one of the ugliest flags I’ve ever seen.

It looks frantic.

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Are you a POE? Because you're certainly posting like one.

rocket88 said:

Swastikas? Personally, i blame Hitler for ruining a perfectly good mustache style.

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You have to be a special kind of stupid to equate the American flag with a swastika and that would be the same kind of stupid it would take to agree with the OP.

AtlantaAdonis said:

The whole situation with Nike and Colin Kaepernick has just made me realize that even the current US flag can never truly be anything but a banner our long history of racism, bigotry, and white-mile imperialism and the Trumpiss co-opting of it just solidifies that.

I propose we replace the red and white stripes with 8 stripes for a rainbow and replace the stars with a picture of Lady Liberty.

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So...this is your dumb idea of the year?

The answer is...NO!!

I don't want my country's flag to look like Justin from Canada's socks.

Rogue Valley said:

Are you a POE? Because you're certainly posting like one.

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Good grief, that’s mild compared to what some bona fide liberals say about our flag.

I thought all the jingoists on this site would be at Bubba and Jim Bob's house grilling possums in a fire pit for supper and celebrating "Murica" by shooting their assault guns into the air. Guess I was wrong.

AtlantaAdonis said:

The whole situation with Nike and Colin Kaepernick has just made me realize that even the current US flag can never truly be anything but a banner our long history of racism, bigotry, and white-mile imperialism and the Trumpiss co-opting of it just solidifies that.

I propose we replace the red and white stripes with 8 stripes for a rainbow and replace the stars with a picture of Lady Liberty.

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Why stop there? I saw we really cleanse the **** out of our country and deport ALL white people because they represent slavery, oppression and of course, terrorism. If that isn't enough, we really need to raze the entirety of Washington, D.C., Designated Survivor style. If that doesn't work, we need to order all of our nuclear submarines and ships to circle the U.S., including Alaska and Hawaii, and order them to nuke America into oblivion. Then, these ships must sink themselves.
When there is an enormous hole in the continent of North America and that little archipelago in the Pacific where America and Hawaii used to be, everyone will be equal and our original sin will have been cleansed.
The end.



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AtlantaAdonis said:

I thought all the jingoists on this site would be at Bubba and Jim Bob's house grilling possums in a fire pit for supper and celebrating "Murica" by shooting their assault guns into the air. Guess I was wrong.

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You’re wrong, like, a lot.

rocket88 said:

Personally, i blame Hitler for ruining a perfectly good mustache style.

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George Carlin said the same thing! :lol:

AtlantaAdonis said:

The whole situation with Nike and Colin Kaepernick has just made me realize that even the current US flag can never truly be anything but a banner our long history of racism, bigotry, and white-mile imperialism and the Trumpiss co-opting of it just solidifies that.

I propose we replace the red and white stripes with 8 stripes for a rainbow and replace the stars with a picture of Lady Liberty.

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That flag represents four centuries, short one year, of history that yes, includes some bad stuff including slavery, witch burnings, lawlessness, greed, uprisings, war including a bloody civil war, and leaders who were imperfect human beings, sometimes with feet of clay. In spite of all of that, it would produce the most enduring constitutional republic that has ever existed.

And in all that ugly history were shining moments of goodness, courage, vision, innovation, brilliance, compassion, hope, overcoming impossible obstacles that has produced the greatest, most free, most productive, most benevolent nation that the world has ever known. It is a nation where, unless we give it away, every citizen has the right to think, believe, speak, and live exactly as he/she chooses short of violating the rights of others.

It was the very imperfect people, some who risked everything they had, who argued, proposed, fought, defended, and sometimes bled and died to give us this, the greatest nation the world has ever known. To judge them only by their imperfections and sins is to do a great disservice to not only them, but everything the country stands for, and to hold in contempt the very blessings you enjoy because they lived.

We should know, understand, critically consider, and appreciate all of our history, the good, the bad, and the ugly, because it all together has resulted in who were are today. And that flag that we call "Old Glory" is representative of it all and we should respect and salute it in appreciation for the blessings that we have.

Those who disrespect the flag or hold it contempt, I think have never been handed a folded one.

Rogue Valley said:

Are you a POE? Because you're certainly posting like one.

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A non Poe would say no. A Poe would say no. My answer is no. Hope that helps.

I don’t know what that has to do with my belief that the U.S. flag is one of the ugliest country flags on the planet.

Visually, our flag is so bad that we should all collectively be embarrassed.

AtlantaAdonis said:

The whole situation with Nike and Colin Kaepernick has just made me realize that even the current US flag can never truly be anything but a banner our long history of racism, bigotry, and white-mile imperialism and the Trumpiss co-opting of it just solidifies that.

I propose we replace the red and white stripes with 8 stripes for a rainbow and replace the stars with a picture of Lady Liberty.

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The flag is merely a banner carried onto the battlefield, and nothing more. I swore an oath to the US Constitution, now that is worth honouring. A true masterpiece !!

Yakshi said:

A non Poe would say no. A Poe would say no. My answer is no. Hope that helps.

I don’t know what that has to do with my belief that the U.S. flag is one of the ugliest country flags on the planet.

Visually, our flag is so bad that we should all collectively be embarrassed.

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Get ready to be called "Poe" a lot when you present opinions not popular with this clique-ish board.

AtlantaAdonis said:

Get ready to be called "Poe" a lot when you present opinions not popular with this clique-ish board.

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Thanks. I don’t mind.

AlbqOwl said:

That flag represents four centuries, short one year, of history that yes, includes some bad stuff including slavery, witch burnings, lawlessness, greed, uprisings, war including a bloody civil war, and leaders who were imperfect human beings, sometimes with feet of clay. In spite of all of that, it would produce the most enduring constitutional republic that has ever existed.

And in all that ugly history were shining moments of goodness, courage, vision, innovation, brilliance, compassion, hope, overcoming impossible obstacles that has produced the greatest, most free, most productive, most benevolent nation that the world has ever known. It is a nation where, unless we give it away, every citizen has the right to think, believe, speak, and live exactly as he/she chooses short of violating the rights of others.

It was the very imperfect people, some who risked everything they had, who argued, proposed, fought, defended, and sometimes bled and died to give us this, the greatest nation the world has ever known. To judge them only by their imperfections and sins is to do a great disservice to not only them, but everything the country stands for, and to hold in contempt the very blessings you enjoy because they lived.

We should know, understand, critically consider, and appreciate all of our history, the good, the bad, and the ugly, because it all together has resulted in who were are today. And that flag that we call "Old Glory" is representative of it all and we should respect and salute it in appreciation for the blessings that we have.

Those who disrespect the flag or hold it contempt, I think have never been handed a folded one.

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Greetings, AlbqOwl. :2wave:

Very Well Said! :ind:

AtlantaAdonis said:

I thought all the jingoists on this site would be at Bubba and Jim Bob's house grilling possums in a fire pit for supper and celebrating "Murica" by shooting their assault guns into the air. Guess I was wrong.

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I bolded the broad brush nonsense.

The red indicates a lie.

AtlantaAdonis said:

I thought all the jingoists on this site would be at Bubba and Jim Bob's house grilling possums in a fire pit for supper and celebrating "Murica" by shooting their assault guns into the air. Guess I was wrong.

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Thats a good point as I thought the anti-jingoistic on this site would be keeping in tradition of baking a savory Keesh over at Jazzels mommies basement and experimenting with the differences between Vaseline and poly grip while building solo cup castles.

Go figure.