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Turns out mexican Mexicans aren't too big on illegal immigration

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Interesting results from a poll of Mexican citizens on how they feel about the caravans and illegal immigrants in THEIR country

By nearly a two-to-one margin, Mexican voters favor the government preventing the passage of migrants who enter the country without documents, i.e. illegally. As Lane notes, close to half support immediate expulsion, with another slice of the electorate supporting jailing the migrants for breaking Mexican law. Very few support allowing the migrants to head north freely. A majority also opposes a plan to grant this population work visas
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Interesting, looks like more American progs support the illegals than do Mexicans. (hyperbole alert). :cool:
 
Turns out hardly anybody is big on illegal immigration.
 
Nobody 'likes' illegal immigration; people and politicians just differ on how to deal with it. Some choose to condemn and demonize the immigrants themselves, seeking 'punishment' and retribution; others tend to look at the causes and search for more humanitarian solutions.
 
Well, if we put aside the partisan lying for a while (I'm not saying in this thread), we can talk honestly.

Dems: these guys repeatedly voted for fencing where they felt fencing would be useful, or rather, where the relevant agencies told them it would be useful. They support and repeatedly passed funding bills not including wall money but including billions for various other recommended methods of border security. For examples, sensors (using photo-optic cables, etc), drone patrols, manned patrols, etc., where those are appropriate. Dems do not want a wall on the entire border because they feel (correctly) that this would be stupid, self-defeating (because you'd still need all the patrolling/etc, seeing how we invented ropes, ladders, and shovels many thousands of years ago).

GOP: Trump picks a wall specifically because the Dems oppose it. Claims Dems want open borders. Pushes for wall only knowing this will not be agreed to, therefore knowing that (1) illegal immigration will continue (2) illegal immigration will remain an issue to be dishonestly wielded against the Dems.


Answer me this: if the GOP care so much about illegal immigration, why couldn't they accept the funding the Dems are willing to and did pass for non-wall border security AND continue trying to make a case for a wall? Why choose nothing over something, if illegal immigration is so important?





It's a show, folks. They're putting on a show for you. Remember how you hate DC? DC includes Republicans, too. They're putting on a ****ing show, and you're swallowing it whole just so you can score Internets Points against liberals on DP and wherever else you post/troll.

I'm happy to spend on border security. In fact, I want national e-verify and ramped up enforcement against employers. Cut off purely economic reasons to come, cut off a good bit of the flow. AND do the smart things on the border. But not a stupid ****ing wall that isn't going to do anything on its own and will have to be maintained in perpetuity.

Meanwhile, reverse Trump's slashing of legal immigration channels and asylum. At least get back to prior numbers. Maybe consider ways to expand legal immigration to attract the best and brightest, as it were. Have an immigration policy that isn't retarded, cruel, and ultimately self-defeating, basically. What's so bad about that?
 
uptower said:
Nobody 'likes' illegal immigration; people and politicians just differ on how to deal with it. Some choose to condemn and demonize the immigrants themselves, seeking 'punishment' and retribution; others tend to look at the causes and search for more humanitarian solutions.
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Yes, no one denies illegal immigration is a problem and has been for years.
 
Carleen said:
Yes, no one denies illegal immigration is a problem and has been for years.
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So it isn’t racist to support enforcement of immigration laws? I may need to bookmark this thread.
 
I don't know if Democrats "like" illegal immigration, but I'm convinced they're for it as a means to and end.
 
Carleen said:
Yes, no one denies illegal immigration is a problem and has been for years.
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That's like looking at Syria and saying you like refugees. No one likes to see refugees, but as human beings I think they deserve our help and compassion. I would prefer people in Central America stayed in their communities, but given the conditions I understand why they would flee.

Border security has to talked about in tandem with the forces that are pushing people to make this dangerous trek. I can tell you one thing, cutting off aid to these countries as Trump has done is not that solution.
 
Acadia said:
I don't know if Democrats "like" illegal immigration, but I'm convinced they're for it as a means to and end.
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I bet you're convinced of all kinds of things that aren't true, why is this falsehood any more special?
 
X Factor said:
So it isn’t racist to support enforcement of immigration laws? I may need to bookmark this thread.
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How you go about it can be racist and incredibly divisive, see Trump's policies and rhetoric.
 
X Factor said:
So it isn’t racist to support enforcement of immigration laws? I may need to bookmark this thread.
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The problem is the rules. Republicans and Democrats need to solve this problem together. And so far neither side can agree on the best way to do this. You can’t just hope that scaring people and separating families is going to be the answer.
 
TrueScotsman said:
I bet you're convinced of all kinds of things that aren't true, why is this falsehood any more special?
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Tell me again why ICE should be abolished and how Border Patrol agents are the same as Nazis?
 
X Factor said:
I think this is more true than Democrat politicians realize.
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The Democrats have never supported illegal immigration, you conflate any measure of asylum with illegal immigration. I'm guessing you didn't read the 2016 DNC Platform, which had explicit language for securing the border and only creating a pathway for existing undocumented immigrants to have a 10 year roadmap to citizenship. People like you are merely lapping up Trump's own divisive rhetoric.

That's all this issue is to him, a tool to polarize. One of his useless aides came up with the Wall idea, which he only adopted because it played well on Twitter and at rallies. His path to power is through division, and what better way to do it.
 
TrueScotsman said:
That's like looking at Syria and saying you like refugees. No one likes to see refugees, but as human beings I think they deserve our help and compassion. I would prefer people in Central America stayed in their communities, but given the conditions I understand why they would flee.

Border security has to talked about in tandem with the forces that are pushing people to make this dangerous trek. I can tell you one thing, cutting off aid to these countries as Trump has done is not that solution.
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I don’t disagree with anything you said here.
 
TrueScotsman said:
The Democrats have never supported illegal immigration, you conflate any measure of asylum with illegal immigration. I'm guessing you didn't read the 2016 DNC Platform, which had explicit language for securing the border and only creating a pathway for existing undocumented immigrants to have a 10 year roadmap to citizenship. People like you are merely lapping up Trump's own divisive rhetoric.

That's all this issue is to him, a tool to polarize. One of his useless aides came up with the Wall idea, which he only adopted because it played well on Twitter and at rallies. His path to power is through division, and what better way to do it.
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Not true.
 
Carleen said:
I don’t disagree with anything you said here.
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Sorry I framed that like I was disagreeing with you, when of course I was merely disagreeing with the idea that someone can "like" illegal immigration.
 
Crystal said:
Not true.
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Crystal read the DNC Platform, she always is careful to understand the other side. I appreciate the robust and substantial rebuttal.
 
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