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Investigators claim California leads the nation in illegal alien voting

Simon W. Moon said:
Iirc, most of the cases where states did not handover voter rolls (or w/e info was sought) it was because state laws prohibited the officials from doing so.
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Are there state laws which prevent the counter-intelligence investigations of presidential campaign personnel?
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Simon W. Moon said:
Have you ever looked at the CA laws which prevented them from sharing voter rolls? Perhaps there are some similar laws which prevent counter-intelligence investigations of presidential campaign personnel you'd like to share?
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Simon W. Moon said:
Are you referring to various states decisions to abide by their state laws regarding sharing voter roll data?
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marke said:
Some states have laws designed to prohibit investigations into voter fraud, and that is more evidence democrats are determined to keep their voter fraud corruption from being exposed.
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Are you two gentlemen TRYING to play to role of "morons" on this board, or what?

Surely, you to have learned (via your FAKE news sources) that practically EVERY STATE AG from EVERY STATE in the union (i.e. at least 45 states and counting) refused to turn over state voter rolls....right?
Forty-five States Refuse to Give Voter Data to Trump Panel

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/05/president-trumps-claim-that-mostly-democratic-states-refused-to-provide-voter-data/

44 states won't give some voter info to panel - CNNPolitics

So I'm wondering why you people are so focused on California. Do you also view states like Alabama, Missiissippi, Georgia, Texas, etc. etc. with EQUAL suspicion for "voter fraud"? Hmmm???

Do you two apparent Mensa members NOT know that illegal in-person voter fraud (i.e. the "crime" hoax that you right wingers love to whine about) is virtually non-existent in this country?

Or, are you two just playing around with the board by pretending to be idiots?

I'm guessing (i.e. hoping) the latter. Please don't disappoint me.
 
marke said:
ACORN workers were signing up cartoon characters, dead actors and even fast food restaurants leading up to the 2008 election. Why would they do that?
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Stop lying. ACORN workers did no such thing. They did NOT "sign up" anyone. They did EXACTLY what FEDERAL LAW dictates that EVERY voter registration worker do: they literally submit EVERY single voter registration card that was returned to them. Their job was not to make any decisions. There job was to collect the cards and turn them in. The responsibility for weeding out "cartoon characters, dead actors and fast food restaurants" falls to public officials who are under direct guidance of elected officials (or, in some places, people directly appointed by elected officials). That's why there are approximately ZERO public records of ANYONE named "mickey mouse" voting in ANY public election ANYWHERE in this country....EVER.

You do know that ACORN was completely exonerated against all "voter fraud" allegations by multiple investigations and court legal decisions, don't you?

First, because they were paid by the number of registrations but also, more importantly, because democrat precinct managers could have just any old joe vote in the registered name and nobody would be the wiser.
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This is the kind of INCREDIBLE INGORANCE that gets you people mocked and "name-called"...which, of course, is something that you people really hate. But you deserve it. Common sense should have told you (and your ilk) long ago that it would be pretty difficult for anyone to receive a voter registration card for "mickey mouse" located at "123 Main Street"...when no such address exists in a given community. And even if a real address is used, the alleged fraudster would have a pretty difficult time producing a driver's licence matching that fraudulent name. These are the kinds of COMMON SENSE arguments that have been used in court cases across the country to have these fake voter fraud cases dismissed (sometimes with prejudice). Too bad some of you only watch/read fake news, because these arguments are so old that it feels like having a conversation with Rip Van Winkle, with some of you people.

In fact, with early voting and voting by mail a single crooked voter could theoretically vote dozens of times in a single election with no chance of ever getting caught.
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Not with early voting. Impossible. But you're right about voting by mail. That's a process that is ripe for exploitation by criminals. Unfortunately for you, the vast majority of absentee and votes by mail are submitted by CONSERVATIVES.

VOTER FRAUD EXISTS. REPUBLICANS WON'T STOP IT.

"...the study confirmed the academic consensus that in-person voter fraud is simply not a problem: In none of these states over the past four years has a single person been caught impersonating another voter in order to cast an illegitimate ballot.

So much for in-person voter fraud. But does that mean voter fraud doesn’t exist at all? No. Voter fraud does happen—but it almost never occurs at the polls. Instead, as election law expert Rick Hasen has explained, voter fraud occurs through absentee ballots. The vast majority of voter fraud prosecutions touted by conservative groups like the Heritage Foundation involve absentee ballots that were illegally cast. And the only voting fraud schemes with the potential to actually swing elections involved mail-in ballots, not impersonation at the polls. (This makes sense: It’s much easier to forge a signature, impersonate a voter, or buy a vote in the privacy of one’s home than it is in a voting booth at the polls.)"

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Let's be honest. You people know that the in-person voter fraud is a statistical myth. You know it. You won't admit it because doing so reveals you all to be the liars that you are. Doing so also proves that the real purpose of all new voter ID laws is to reduce the number of eligible poor and minority voters in this country.
 
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cabse5 said:
You have to consider, if illegal votes are 'prosecuted' to their fullest extent, most likely, GOPs will be voted into office instead of dems and your very existence and way of life in the US as undocumenteds would be threatened.

THEREFORE, ILLEGALS HAVE EVERY INCENTIVE TO VOTE IN AMERICAN ELECTIONS.
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LOL! You literally know nothing about illegals, I see.

They have absolutely ZERO interest in potential conflicts with the law and EVERY interest in keeping a low profile.
 
marke said:
Some states have laws designed to prohibit investigations into voter fraud, and that is more evidence democrats are determined to keep their voter fraud corruption from being exposed.
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My previous understanding is that these sorts of laws were designed to protect voter privacy.

Can you site the legislative language which reveals that the intent was actually to prohibit investigations?
Or, is this something you "just know"?
 
cabse5 said:
Then its time for a special counsel investigation by the FBI, etc. Put some state officials under oath.
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Putting officials under oath will change the state laws in question?
Or what is the point exactly?
 
ultmd said:
So I'm wondering why you people are so focused on California.
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Just staying on topic.
The topic of this thread is about California.
Maybe you didn't read the thread title or the OP before you started posting.
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ultmd said:
Do you two apparent Mensa members NOT know that illegal in-person voter fraud (i.e. the "crime" hoax that you right wingers love to whine about) is virtually non-existent in this country?
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Iirc, I mentioned something quite similar to that.

Maybe you didn't read that either before you started posting.


Thanks for pointing out the mote in my eye.
 
ultmd said:
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Are you two gentlemen TRYING to play to role of "morons" on this board, or what?

Surely, you to have learned (via your FAKE news sources) that practically EVERY STATE AG from EVERY STATE in the union (i.e. at least 45 states and counting) refused to turn over state voter rolls....right?
Forty-five States Refuse to Give Voter Data to Trump Panel

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/05/president-trumps-claim-that-mostly-democratic-states-refused-to-provide-voter-data/

44 states won't give some voter info to panel - CNNPolitics

So I'm wondering why you people are so focused on California. Do you also view states like Alabama, Missiissippi, Georgia, Texas, etc. etc. with EQUAL suspicion for "voter fraud"? Hmmm???

Do you two apparent Mensa members NOT know that illegal in-person voter fraud (i.e. the "crime" hoax that you right wingers love to whine about) is virtually non-existent in this country?

Or, are you two just playing around with the board by pretending to be idiots?

I'm guessing (i.e. hoping) the latter. Please don't disappoint me.
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You don't have to be a genius to know if select politicians do not want investigations into voter fraud interference in US elections they are trying to hide something which should not be hidden.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
My previous understanding is that these sorts of laws were designed to protect voter privacy.

Can you site the legislative language which reveals that the intent was actually to prohibit investigations?
Or, is this something you "just know"?
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Let's assume the unproven possibility exists that the legislators meant well when they passed laws which gave voter frauds a free pass to commit massive voter fraud without the risk of getting caught, and were not trying to protect voter fraud instead. However, if their motivation really was to secretly protect voter fraud then the US really is in danger of being taken over by crooks who think there is nothing wrong with breaking laws if it means helping the lawless barbarians win elections.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
LOL! You literally know nothing about illegals, I see.

They have absolutely ZERO interest in potential conflicts with the law and EVERY interest in keeping a low profile.
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Dem politicians allow this low profile while GOP politicians do not. Illegals have every incentive to vote in elections and to vote dem to protect their way of life in America.
 
cabse5 said:
Dem politicians allow this low profile while GOP politicians do not. Illegals have every incentive to vote in elections and to vote dem to protect their way of life in America.
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Wrong, and laughably so. Illegals do it themselves, because they want absolutely no involvement with the law.

There are no such 'incentives' other than in your rather fetid imagination.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Wrong, and laughably so. Illegals do it themselves, because they want absolutely no involvement with the law.

There are no such 'incentives' other than in your rather fetid imagination.
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You don't have any proof illegals didn't vote in the California 2016. I don't have any proof illegals did vote in the California 2016. California won't allow investigators to investigate voter fraud.

California has every incentive to allow illegals to vote. Illegals have every incentive to vote. Who in California is going to turn in an illegal voter?
 
cabse5 said:
You don't have any proof illegals didn't vote in the California 2016. I don't have any proof illegals did vote in the California 2016. California won't allow investigators to investigate voter fraud.

California has every incentive to allow illegals to vote. Illegals have every incentive to vote. Who in California is going to turn in an illegal voter?
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Here's the fun bit: YOU are making the implication that they have/do. It's on YOU to substantiate it, but you can't. You have zero proof that they do that or have done that.

They have no incentives to vote nor can you demonstrate that they do, or that they've acted on it.

Enjoy your fantasies! I'll stick to reality, thanks.
 
marke said:
Let's assume the unproven possibility exists that the legislators meant well when they passed laws which gave voter frauds a free pass to commit massive voter fraud without the risk of getting caught, and were not trying to protect voter fraud instead. However, if their motivation really was to secretly protect voter fraud then the US really is in danger of being taken over by crooks who think there is nothing wrong with breaking laws if it means helping the lawless barbarians win elections.
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Before we start breaking laws, shouldn't have some good reason?
Shouldn't we be able to effectively show that the intent of the various legislatures was to abet electoral fraud rather than the stated reasons to protect voter privacy before we start violating statutes?
 
cabse5 said:
Lying is prosecuted.
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Sure.
So, is breaking voter privacy laws.

So, maybe the person under oath would be wise to take the 5th or some such.
Shirley, if answering the question would cause the person to commit a crime , then that'd be tantamount to incriminating themselves.

So it seems the effort'd be wasted.

Why not have a commission which figures out how to do its job w/o violating state statues?
It'd probably take a lot longer and require a lot more work.
But it's important work, right?
 
marke said:
Is that true? There is no way to know for sure since serious in-depth investigations into voter fraud are rarely done.

Deroy Murdock, a contributing editor with the National Review, said that of 3.7 million illegal votes in the 2016 election, 1.5 million came from California.

Massive Cover-Up: California Voter Fraud [Video]
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If you don't look for illegal activity, you will not find any!
 
Lord of Planar said:
If you don't look for illegal activity, you will not find any!
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Since people are being caught, prosecuted, and convicted for electoral fraud in CA, is it safe to assume that someone is "looking"?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Since people are being caught, prosecuted, and convicted for electoral fraud in CA, is it safe to assume that someone is "looking"?
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I think only when someone else finds it, and pushes for action.

are any of these incidents related to state of California enforcement looking for them, or from outside influence?
 
marke said:
You don't have to be a genius to know if select politicians do not want investigations into voter fraud interference in US elections they are trying to hide something which should not be hidden.
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Apparently, you do have to be a genius to understand that there have already been many such investigations, and EVERY credible investigation ever conducted has demonstrated, beyond any doubt, that in-person voter fraud is virtually NON-EXISTENT in this country. And since that is a FACT, there is absolutely ZERO justification for new voter ID laws, which ONLY target alleged in-person voter fraud schemes...which are (again) all but non-existent in this country.

The REAL cover up is in the area of vote-rigging and voter disenfranchise schemes, which are rampant in this country...and which are almost entirely conducted by Republicans. That's why we see GOP'ers working so hard to block any/every attempt to investigate and prevent these activities within our system.
 
marke said:
ACORN convicted of voter fraud in Nevada - Capital Research Center
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VOTER FRAUD EXISTS. REPUBLICANS WON'T STOP IT.

"...the study confirmed the academic consensus that in-person voter fraud is simply not a problem: In none of these states over the past four years has a single person been caught impersonating another voter in order to cast an illegitimate ballot.

So much for in-person voter fraud. But does that mean voter fraud doesn’t exist at all? No. Voter fraud does happen—but it almost never occurs at the polls. Instead, as election law expert Rick Hasen has explained, voter fraud occurs through absentee ballots. The vast majority of voter fraud prosecutions touted by conservative groups like the Heritage Foundation involve absentee ballots that were illegally cast. And the only voting fraud schemes with the potential to actually swing elections involved mail-in ballots, not impersonation at the polls. (This makes sense: It’s much easier to forge a signature, impersonate a voter, or buy a vote in the privacy of one’s home than it is in a voting booth at the polls.)"
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Here's the fun bit: YOU are making the implication that they have/do. It's on YOU to substantiate it, but you can't. You have zero proof that they do that or have done that.

They have no incentives to vote nor can you demonstrate that they do, or that they've acted on it.

Enjoy your fantasies! I'll stick to reality, thanks.
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Your investigation into Trump campaign collusion with the Russians had as much proof - zero. No proof was good enough for Mueller and co, so, it's good enough to investigate voter fraud in California.:shrug:
 
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cabse5 said:
Your investigation into Trump campaign collusion with the Russians had as much proof - zero. No proof was good enough for Mueller and co, so, it's good enough to investigate voter fraud in California.
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LOLOLOL! The Mueller Report, which you are frightened of reading, established and demonstrated loads of collusion.

And that has nothing to do with this subject.

Fun to see you all out of ammo.
 
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