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Socialism din't work in Sweden and it won't work here.

ataraxia said:
Call it what you will. If you don’t like the word socialism for it, pick another word. Whatever makes you comfortable .
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I prefer a Constitutional Republic that limits itself to what the people cannot do and then establishes policy and incentive for people to do for themselves as the most effective way to raise the standard of living for all. That's what makes me comfortable.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Democratic socialism is working splendidly in the Scandinavian countries.
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Sure that is why The UN predicts Sweden to be a 3rd world country by 2030 https://www.therebel.media/un_sweden_to_become_third_world_country_by_2030

and why The PM of Demark is telling Bernie Sanders to "Stop calling us Socialist, we are not". https://www.investors.com/politics/...-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/

By the way Vlad Lenin's political party was originally called Democratic Socialist and then later went on to be the USSR communist party that killed 70 million people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
 
ataraxia said:
"Kalifornia" has a bigger economy than all the red states put together.

Try again.
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On the day it fell the USSR had the second largest economy in the world, and it feel for economic reasons. bigger is not always better.
 
iguanaman said:
It was a failure of capitalism none the less. Thank you FDR and the second Bill of Rights for bringing us the postwar boom and the creation of our great middle class.....and don't forget Social Security too.

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Actions of the FED caused the Great Depression and FDR was why it lasted 10 year instead of 2.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Every country in Europe has huge quality of life, their politician work not for the companies or the rich, but for the people, they have healthcare, great and affordable mass transit, lots of paid vacation time and maternity/paternity leave, are paid livable wages, and have some of the highest quality of life.

meanwhile, the good old US with its capitalisms has the highest wealth disparity, insane rates of poverty, a horrible healthcare system that profits off of people's lives, and health, the leader in medical induced bankruptcy, one of the highest rates of imprisonment, have majority of its people living paycheck to paycheck with absolutely no savings or ability to save, high rates of children starving, the list of negatives go on and on.

What was that about Europe again?

oh, that's right, just another ignorant right winger spewing dumb talking points without any actual facts.
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Quality of Life? In other words you have never been to Europe.
 
ataraxia said:
Take away Texas' oil and they would be no different than AL or MS. They are like Saudi Arabia- just because they sit on a lot of oil doesn't mean they have good policies.
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Wrong. take away Texas business friendly policies and it would have the poverty lever of California.
 
Casca XV said:
Actions of the FED caused the Great Depression and FDR was why it lasted 10 year instead of 2.
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So why did it start under Hoover’s conservative policies and end with FDR?
 
Casca XV said:
Wrong. take away Texas business friendly policies and it would have the poverty lever of California.
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What’s the the difference between TX’s “business friendly” policies and those of AL and MS?

There is no difference between the policies of those states. The only difference is TX has oil, and NASA. Take those away and they got nothing. They are otherwise a stagnant, backward, uneducated, xenophobic, religiously conservative, wealthy oil state like Saudi Arabia or Iran.
 
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KLATTU said:
As I've brilliantly and famous stated on here many times, the familiar death spiral goes something like.

Because of capitalism , wealth gets created. Then Democrats pounce and promise to redistribute form the wealth creators to the takers.

The foundations for a successful society become eroded.
The new generation raised in socialism has no incentives to work.

It's happening before our eyes in California.

If we elect a Democrats it will happen nationally .Socialism Didn’t Work In Sweden, And It Won’t Work In America

"...weden stood as the world’s fourth wealthiest country nearly five decades ago. Its taxes were lower than most western countries, including the United States. The economy was deregulated, and public spending was hardly above 10 percent gross domestic product (GDP).

But Sweden was soon teetering on the brink of collapse from its experiment with socialism."

Free markets and small government made Sweden rich,” said Swedish economist and Cato Institute fellow Johan Norberg. “The experiment with socialism crashed us.”
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Are you even aware that the article doesn't explain how or why Sweden is teetering on the brink of collapse? Claiming they are on the brink of collapse or is crashing isn't the same as actually providing evidence. You should feel embarrassed for posting this type of utter garbage.
 
ataraxia said:
Re: TX, Iran, and Saudi Arabia


They kind of are: all of them are religiously conservative xenophobic stagnant closed minded intolerant states which think that just because they’re sitting on a lot of oil means they’re doing something right and God loves them.
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Yep, we're blessed. No doubt about it.

Bow to our power. ignorant pagans. :cool:
 
WCH said:
Why don't you try working for something instead of being a beggar?
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I am well off and have everything I need. None of this wi benefit me directly and will actually cause me to pay more taxes.

Do it anyway
 
AlbqOwl said:
Sometimes you do for awhile. But after you run out of other people's money you have decline and/or perpetual stagnation at a depressed level.
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The NHS is over 65 years old. Lol
 
AlbqOwl said:
The Democrats don't care about basic human rights. They want the power to dictate what rights any of us will have and only those that empower and enrich them will matter.
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Republicans only care about the rich
 
Casca XV said:
Sure that is why The UN predicts Sweden to be a 3rd world country by 2030 UN: “Sweden to become Third World country by 2030” - The Rebel

and why The PM of Demark is telling Bernie Sanders to "Stop calling us Socialist, we are not". Access to this page has been denied.

By the way Vlad Lenin's political party was originally called Democratic Socialist and then later went on to be the USSR communist party that killed 70 million people. Vladimir Lenin - Wikipedia
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Nice "sources"for your crap.....
 
vegas giants said:
I am well off and have everything I need. None of this wi benefit me directly and will actually cause me to pay more taxes.

Do it anyway
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What if they forced you into bankruptcy? Still willing to ignore the big picture?
 
WCH said:
What if they forced you into bankruptcy? Still willing to ignore the big picture?
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What if you got sick and were forced into bankruptcy?

Still ok with our system?
 
Casca XV said:
Actions of the FED caused the Great Depression and FDR was why it lasted 10 year instead of 2.
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That is complete and utterly indefensible BS!

First of all, the Depression was nearly three years old when FDR came into office. So much for your second idiotic claim.

Second, the policies that right wing economic prognosticators today try and offer as alternatives to the New Deal had already been tried......and failed.

So much for the rest of it.
 
Kushinator said:
Are you even aware that the article doesn't explain how or why Sweden is teetering on the brink of collapse? Claiming they are on the brink of collapse or is crashing isn't the same as actually providing evidence. You should feel embarrassed for posting this type of utter garbage..
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{Watch what happens to this post :boom }
I think he assumed it was common knowledge.
So Long, Swedish Welfare State? – Foreign Policy
Since 2002, a dozen studies have been written on the long-term survivability of the Swedish welfare state. In summary, they paint a bleak picture: The Swedish model is simply not sustainable.The Swedish model is simply not sustainable. Sweden faces the same basic difficulties funding the welfare system as many other countries in Europe do. The problem has two roots. The first is an aging population and the second is the gradual buildup of inefficiencies in the public sector. In turn, welfare services become more expensive—and need to employ more people—each year.
One recent paper pointed out that, between 2017 and 2025, all new jobs in Sweden will have to be created in the public sector if that sector is to keep up with demand and retain the same staffing practices. This is of course not feasible in a country with an already large public sector and high taxes, and it reflects the problem of gradually rising inefficiencies in the public domain relative to the private one."


Don't worry- a little soap and water will get that egg right off your face.

:soap
 
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