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My regular reminder to shrieking Trump-haters: Obama deported THREE MILLION immigrants - at a far faster rate than Trump.
Yet none of you cared.

OUCH!
 
Is this to point out that Obama handled illegal immigration at a better rate than Trump?

It could be that his rate is higher because he didn't tweet out warnings before the deportations.
 
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My regular reminder to shrieking Trump-haters: Obama deported THREE MILLION immigrants - at a far faster rate than Trump.
Yet none of you cared.

OUCH!

Obama's "deportations" included returns (sending Mexican illegal immigrants apprehended near the border back into Mexico). If Jose, Maria and their two children illegally enter the US four times, and are "deported" three times, then that counts as twelve "deportations", yet the end result is that Jose, Maria and their two children are still illegally residing inside the US.
 
If the republicans actually gave a damn about immigration they would have done something in 2016 or 2017 when they had a majority of seats in all branches of government. It wasn't the "obstruction" of the minority party that torpedoed their efforts; it is that they never really made an effort, and their president never led correctly.
 
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My regular reminder to shrieking Trump-haters: Obama deported THREE MILLION immigrants - at a far faster rate than Trump.
Yet none of you cared.

OUCH!

So Obama was a better President than Trump. Got it.

Too bad Obama didn't deport all those illegals who were working for Trump and his family.
 
If the republicans actually gave a damn about immigration they would have done something in 2016 or 2017 when they had a majority of seats in all branches of government. It wasn't the "obstruction" of the minority party that torpedoed their efforts; it is that they never really made an effort, and their president never led correctly.

The Republicans haven't had a real majority in the Senate since Trump was elected. They've needed Dem support in everything except Trump's nominees. In 2016, they had Obama opposing them.

So your "they should have done something" is nothing but nonsense. You put truth to my sig: Pretending not to know things.
 
I cared. One of those deported immigrants was and is one of my best friends. Our immigration system was broken before the idiot king. However he uses xenophobia in a way that recent presidents have not. This is because he is a fool and a national embarrassment.
 
The Republicans haven't had a real majority in the Senate since Trump was elected. They've needed Dem support in everything except Trump's nominees. In 2016, they had Obama opposing them.

So your "they should have done something" is nothing but nonsense. You put truth to my sig: Pretending not to know things.

Republicans had the house and senate in 2016, and in 2017.

It's their fault, and by default Trump's fault, that immigration reform didn't happen.

The majority party owned it all and ****ing failed. The dear leader ****ing failed. Your party lied to you. They don't want to do anything on immigration. They are fine with the near free slave wage labor for their rich donors. Why do you think they didn't seriously try? Why do you think they didn't do anything about the 2nd amendment while they had the executive and legislative branches?

Because their true constituency is the rich donor class.

You guys are just a cog in their machine. You just haven't figured it out yet.

Watch this. It will explain to you PRECISELY why the republicans did NOTHING other than TAX breaks in 2016-2017.

I'm serious here. Please watch it. It's not about Trump bashing. Nor is it about Republican or conservative bashing. But it BRILLIANTLY exposes the truth. Why do you think they could get a tax bill through that was completely untenable to democrats in congress?

 
Boy, this is an old screed, and been addressed many times.

Things kind of desperate in Trumpland?
 
Boy, this is an old screed, and been addressed many times.

Things kind of desperate in Trumpland?

They don't even realize they have been used by the republicans to forward a rich elitist agenda. It's ridiculous.
 
I cared. One of those deported immigrants was and is one of my best friends. Our immigration system was broken before the idiot king. However he uses xenophobia in a way that recent presidents have not. This is because he is a fool and a national embarrassment.

The idea that actually enforcing existing federal immigration law is "xenophobic" is nonsense. IMHO, Trump is screwing up badly by making the Great Wall Of Trump a higher (legislative?) priority than having an eVerify mandate to greatly reduce the economic incentive for foreign nationals to illegally enter (or remain in) the US.
 
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My regular reminder to shrieking Trump-haters: Obama deported THREE MILLION immigrants - at a far faster rate than Trump.
Yet none of you cared.

OUCH!



We are not children.

We all know that few people dared to criticize President Obama for many of his actions.
 
The idea that actually enforcing existing federal immigration law is "xenophobic" is nonsense. IMHO, Trump is screwing up badly by making the Great Wall Of Trump a higher (legislative?) priority than having an eVerify mandate to greatly reduce the economic incentive for foreign nationals to illegally enter (or remain in) the US.

Trump is a xenophobe. There is no counter argument.
 
Obama's "deportations" included returns (sending Mexican illegal immigrants apprehended near the border back into Mexico). If Jose, Maria and their two children illegally enter the US four times, and are "deported" three times, then that counts as twelve "deportations", yet the end result is that Jose, Maria and their two children are still illegally residing inside the US.

Is that voodoo math you're doing? Perhaps I can help. Here is actual factual information on deportations for the three administrations prior to Trump:

The Obama Record on Deportations: Deporter in Chief or Not? | migrationpolicy.org

"These figures demonstrate the Obama administration’s focus on formal removals instead of returns, with formal removals under Obama far outpacing those of the Bush and Clinton administrations even as returns were far lower. This policy to ensure that removals have a lasting legal consequence likely reduced the number of unauthorized immigrants attempting to cross the border multiple times: Overall, recidivism along the border fell from 29 percent in FY 2007 to 14 percent in FY 2014, and was much higher for migrants given voluntary return (31 percent) than for those subjected to formal removal (18 percent) ..."

To put simply, the Obama administration used the Clinton and GW Bush laws to great effect. Why couldn't Trump keep those same effective policies going? Think about that.
 
If the republicans actually gave a damn about immigration they would have done something in 2016 or 2017 when they had a majority of seats in all branches of government. It wasn't the "obstruction" of the minority party that torpedoed their efforts; it is that they never really made an effort, and their president never led correctly.

The leaders of the right don't want to reduce illegal immigration for two obvious reasons. First, the country is better off with those people here -- we have a dangerous demographic age imbalance, and the disproportionately young workers who come here illegally help to mitigate that problem, so we'd be idiots to try to cut that off. Second, the more immigrants who come here, the further to the right the country will go, politically, since racists and xenophobes get triggered by seeing more brown people, and that makes them easier for plutocrats to manipulate into voting for pro-plutocratic policies. There's a reason that the most liberal countries in the world are fairly ethnically homogeneous (like Scandinavia), and that the US moved to the left during the era when we had the least immigration (the 1930s through 1960s).

So, the game of the GOP is to complain constantly about immigration, to keep the xenophobes stirred up, while being very careful not to do much about it. It's helpful to them to have a few showplace concentration camps, and the like, to give the racists the thrill of seeing cruelty against "those people," but they wouldn't want to do anything that might have a big impact (like, say, throwing the book at the illegal employers who lure people here in the first place).
 
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If the republicans actually gave a damn about immigration they would have done something in 2016 or 2017 when they had a majority of seats in all branches of government. It wasn't the "obstruction" of the minority party that torpedoed their efforts; it is that they never really made an effort, and their president never led correctly.

Ryan and the other corporate lackeys totally failed to give Trump what was required. Dems have even less interest in cooperating or solving the problem. None of the blame is Trump's. He can only do so much without Congress.
 
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My regular reminder to shrieking Trump-haters: Obama deported THREE MILLION immigrants - at a far faster rate than Trump.
Yet none of you cared.

OUCH!

The U.S. Border Patrol reported that it had deported almost 369,000 people in 2012, but in reality only about 20,000 of that number (5.5 percent) were people who were living in the U.S. illegally and were deported solely for being in the country illegally. About 235,000 of those people were caught at the border and immediately sent home – so they had not actually entered illegally, but they had the intent of doing so.
The remaining 134,000 deportations were those who were actually making residence inside the country – but 82 percent off them were deported for committing other crimes like robbery, rape, or having a drug offense. Shaking all that out and leaving it to those who were deported solely for being illegal, you have a number of about 20,000. But this does not indicate whether any of these were illegals who were deported multiple times, and each deportation counts separately – or whether these numbers are actual individuals regardless of the number of times they were deported.

Ouch the truth hurts.
 
The leaders of the right don't want to reduce illegal immigration for two obvious reasons. First, the country is better off with those people here -- we have a dangerous demographic age imbalance, and the disproportionately young workers who come here illegally help to mitigate that problem, so we'd be idiots to try to cut that off. Second, the more immigrants who come here, the further to the right the country will go, politically, since racists and xenophobes get triggered by seeing more brown people, and that makes them easier for plutocrats to manipulate into voting for pro-plutocratic policies. There's a reason that the most liberal countries in the world are fairly ethnically homogeneous (like Scandinavia), and that the US moved to the left during the era when we had the least immigration (the 1930s through 1960s).

So, the game of the GOP is to complain constantly about immigration, to keep the xenophobes stirred up, while being very careful not to do much about it. It's helpful to them to have a few showplace concentration camps, and the like, to give the racists the thrill of seeing cruelty against "those people," but they wouldn't want to do anything that might have a big impact (like, say, throwing the book at the illegal employers who lure people here in the first place).

Utter nonsense. Only two groups want illegal immigration to continue: One is Democrats who see future voters and get the extra added benefit of bashing Trump over a problem they perpetuate. The other is big business who wants to maintain the flow of cheap labor.

All your blubbering about racism and concentration camps is just boilerplate BS dished out by the leftist fringe.
 
The U.S. Border Patrol reported that it had deported almost 369,000 people in 2012, but in reality only about 20,000 of that number (5.5 percent) were people who were living in the U.S. illegally and were deported solely for being in the country illegally. About 235,000 of those people were caught at the border and immediately sent home – so they had not actually entered illegally, but they had the intent of doing so.
The remaining 134,000 deportations were those who were actually making residence inside the country – but 82 percent off them were deported for committing other crimes like robbery, rape, or having a drug offense. Shaking all that out and leaving it to those who were deported solely for being illegal, you have a number of about 20,000. But this does not indicate whether any of these were illegals who were deported multiple times, and each deportation counts separately – or whether these numbers are actual individuals regardless of the number of times they were deported.

Ouch the truth hurts.


Deportation numbers are meaningless because we don't know who we are actually talking about or how many end up coming back. Until the border is fully secured and the current immigration law is revised to stop waving in everyone who arrives with a child and similar practices, deportations won't mean anything.
 
Is that voodoo math you're doing? Perhaps I can help. Here is actual factual information on deportations for the three administrations prior to Trump:

The Obama Record on Deportations: Deporter in Chief or Not? | migrationpolicy.org

"These figures demonstrate the Obama administration’s focus on formal removals instead of returns, with formal removals under Obama far outpacing those of the Bush and Clinton administrations even as returns were far lower. This policy to ensure that removals have a lasting legal consequence likely reduced the number of unauthorized immigrants attempting to cross the border multiple times: Overall, recidivism along the border fell from 29 percent in FY 2007 to 14 percent in FY 2014, and was much higher for migrants given voluntary return (31 percent) than for those subjected to formal removal (18 percent) ..."

To put simply, the Obama administration used the Clinton and GW Bush laws to great effect. Why couldn't Trump keep those same effective policies going? Think about that.

The fact is the other presidents just didn't count people turned back at the border as deportations. Second how many times were the same people turned back over and over again is not known. The fact remains that no president has done anything when it comes to actually rounding up people in our country illegally and sending them back making room for honest law abiding people to immigrate who we need in this country. Law abiding people like my ancestors and current family members who make America a better place.
 
Utter nonsense. Only two groups want illegal immigration to continue: One is Democrats who see future voters and get the extra added benefit of bashing Trump over a problem they perpetuate.

Obviously, Democrats are worse off the more immigration there is -- and they're particularly worse off with illegal immigration, since that gives one all the xenophobe/racist-triggering impact of more brown people, without those brown people even being allowed to vote. Republicans, on the other hand, get the best of both worlds from it, since it triggers the bigots without a counter-balancing ability for the newcomers to vote, and thus drives the country's politics to the right. Meanwhile, the plutocrats who own the GOP keep wages for low-end work down.

Think! It's amazing how few right-wingers ever developed the skill to do so.
 
There is no argument not to enforce federal immigration law based on who is currently the POTUS.

unless it's asylum and they might have legal grounds to remain in the US, of course. and yes, he's a xenophobe.
 
Obviously, Democrats are worse off the more immigration there is -- and they're particularly worse off with illegal immigration, since that gives one all the xenophobe/racist-triggering .

I think that's countered by the fact that virtue signaling liberals get to call Trump a new name!
Come on, how many times can you get away with racist, Nazi or fascist before it gets stale?

#LAFFRIOT
 
Obviously, Democrats are worse off the more immigration there is -- and they're particularly worse off with illegal immigration, since that gives one all the xenophobe/racist-triggering impact of more brown people, without those brown people even being allowed to vote. Republicans, on the other hand, get the best of both worlds from it, since it triggers the bigots without a counter-balancing ability for the newcomers to vote, and thus drives the country's politics to the right. Meanwhile, the plutocrats who own the GOP keep wages for low-end work down.

Think! It's amazing how few right-wingers ever developed the skill to do so.


You're wrong, of course. Every single one of those "brown people" will end up becoming a citizen and/or be given the right to vote. Democrats know this and know that they will also be voting for them, the party which wants to allow illegals to continue to come, which wants to allow them to stay, give them driver's licences, subsidized healthcare and, yes, allow them to vote.

Your blubber about"bigots" and the like is just a substitute for having anything rational to say. This isn't about race. It's about sovereignty, security and the law. Your disdain for those things is duly noted.
 
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