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Complete idiot Trump walks into war with Iran

Condor060 said:
There isn't anything bizarre about Irans funding, providing equipment, weapons, training and giving sanctuary to terrorists or you don't feel that is important enough to bring up.




I agree, they never failed at providing a worthless agreement Iran never had any intentions of following



How did they fail again, I must have missed that part.



How did Trump get punked? Last I checked NK is dying on the vine under the current sanctions and continuing to request talks.



So you think Iran should have a nuclear weapon because its the best insurance? You should really rethink your objectives. You think a terrorist regime should have access to nuclear weapons because its the nice thing to do?
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I didn’t say there was no problem with it, as you well know. I said it is an obvious double standard to be raising this objection when virtually every other middle eastern country does the same thing. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?????

There is no evidence whatsoever that Iran ever violated the agreement. Indeed, Iran has honored the agreement even after the Americans repudiated it. It was the United States that didn’t honor its own agreement, not Tehran.


Bush, Cheney and Bolton thought they could bully and bluster North Korea out of developing a nuclear weapon. They tried sanctions. They insisted in multilateral talks while North Korea insisted on one on one. The Russians use North Korea as a cat’s paw against the US, and has done so since 1950.

Trump is the first cat to jump at the paw! He made a prize fool of himself the first time, and then went back for seconds.

The North Koreans have everything they started out with.

I have no idea where you get this “withering on the vine” stuff from. Perhaps you should read up on the situation.

No, I don’t think it’s a dood idea for Iran to have the bomb. But Trump is doing his level best to bluster and bungle his way to precisely that outcome.
 
TomFitz said:
I didn’t say there was no problem with it, as you well know. I said it is an obvious double standard to be raising this objection when virtually every other middle eastern country does the same thing. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?????
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The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are terrorist and known as such by just about every nation. They have ties to Al-Qaeda and are responsible for bombing and killings in Albania, Bahrain, India, Kenya, Argentina, Thailand, France. Denmark, the 98 bombing of the US embassy, the USS Cole, Sept 11, Riyadh compound bombings.

They provide supplies political support and weapons to Hamas, and Hezbollah with a wave of kidnappings, bombings, and assassinations of Western targets, particularly American and Israeli, Lebanon and other countries giving weapons and support to the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan.

No, they are not like any other middle eastern country. Far from it.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Iran ever violated the agreement. Indeed, Iran has honored the agreement even after the Americans repudiated it. It was the United States that didn’t honor its own agreement, not Tehran.
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I have no idea how you can come to these conclusion other than just out of having a retaliatory comment. Just one part of the agreement is the prohibition of chemical weapon use. Iran has aided the government of Syria as it employed chemical weapons against its own citizens, killing nearly 1,500 people.

Please feel free to read every treaty they have violated (which is every one of them) you really should get educated on Iran before making such commets
The Islamic Republic of Iran’s Violation of Treaties and Multilateral Agreements | UANI


Bush, Cheney and Bolton thought they could bully and bluster North Korea out of developing a nuclear weapon. They tried sanctions. They insisted in multilateral talks while North Korea insisted on one on one. The Russians use North Korea as a cat’s paw against the US, and has done so since 1950.

Trump is the first cat to jump at the paw! He made a prize fool of himself the first time, and then went back for seconds.

The North Koreans have everything they started out with.
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Simply not true. EVERY administration (Without exception) has sent millions to NK to help keep the peace and kick the can down the road. Trump is the only president to refuse to pay them any money, garnish them with more sanctions tha they have ever seen, and still brought how prisoners held in NK.

He is also the first president to ever have a meeting with the leader of NK.

I have no idea where you get this “withering on the vine” stuff from. Perhaps you should read up on the situation.
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I have not provided you with any ideas. Everything I have provided is actual historical records. If you need a place to start I would suggest this link as it dispels just about everything you have posted.

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

But Trump is doing his level best to bluster and bungle his way to precisely that outcome.
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You have nothing to back this up other than a bias opinion of Trump.
 
Condor060 said:
The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are terrorist and known as such by just about every nation. They have ties to Al-Qaeda and are responsible for bombing and killings in Albania, Bahrain, India, Kenya, Argentina, Thailand, France. Denmark, the 98 bombing of the US embassy, the USS Cole, Sept 11, Riyadh compound bombings.

They provide supplies political support and weapons to Hamas, and Hezbollah with a wave of kidnappings, bombings, and assassinations of Western targets, particularly American and Israeli, Lebanon and other countries giving weapons and support to the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan.

No, they are not like any other middle eastern country. Far from it.



I have no idea how you can come to these conclusion other than just out of having a retaliatory comment. Just one part of the agreement is the prohibition of chemical weapon use. Iran has aided the government of Syria as it employed chemical weapons against its own citizens, killing nearly 1,500 people.

Please feel free to read every treaty they have violated (which is every one of them) you really should get educated on Iran before making such commets
The Islamic Republic of Iran’s Violation of Treaties and Multilateral Agreements | UANI




Simply not true. EVERY administration (Without exception) has sent millions to NK to help keep the peace and kick the can down the road. Trump is the only president to refuse to pay them any money, garnish them with more sanctions tha they have ever seen, and still brought how prisoners held in NK.

He is also the first president to ever have a meeting with the leader of NK.



I have not provided you with any ideas. Everything I have provided is actual historical records. If you need a place to start I would suggest this link as it dispels just about everything you have posted.

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia



You have nothing to back this up other than a bias opinion of Trump.
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Once again, you dance past the fact that Iran is far from the only Middle Eastern country that aids Hezbollah and Hamas.

I never said that Iran was like every other Middle Eastern country.

Where did I get that idea?

From places like this, and the Wall Street Journal.

Iran complies with nuclear deal limits, UN watchdog says | News | DW | 31.05.2019

The North Korea stuff is largely nonsense.

Trump lowered himself to Kim’s level, first with a kindergarten level of bullying and bluster, then he staged a pageant for the North Korean leader, elevating him and sending him home with everything he wanted and more.

At that same time, Trump cancelled joint US-South Korean military exercises in public without telling the South Koreans. (He would later top this one by telling the world that he didn’t care about North Korean missles because they couldn’t hit the US, while he was in Japan with the Prime Minister).

Pyongyang, celebrated.

Then Trump did it again. And the North Koreans rubbed it in by resuming missle testing.

Trump got nothing. Twice.
 
TomFitz said:
Once again, you dance past the fact that Iran is far from the only Middle Eastern country that aids Hezbollah and Hamas.

I never said that Iran was like every other Middle Eastern country.

Where did I get that idea?

From places like this, and the Wall Street Journal.

Iran complies with nuclear deal limits, UN watchdog says | News | DW | 31.05.2019

The North Korea stuff is largely nonsense.

Trump lowered himself to Kim’s level, first with a kindergarten level of bullying and bluster, then he staged a pageant for the North Korean leader, elevating him and sending him home with everything he wanted and more.

At that same time, Trump cancelled joint US-South Korean military exercises in public without telling the South Koreans. (He would later top this one by telling the world that he didn’t care about North Korean missles because they couldn’t hit the US, while he was in Japan with the Prime Minister).

Pyongyang, celebrated.

Then Trump did it again. And the North Koreans rubbed it in by resuming missle testing.

Trump got nothing. Twice.
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Saying Iran has ties to AQ is laughable.. but, I guess they're trying to get one more reheat out of the war on terror.
 
Condor060 said:
The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are terrorist and known as such by just about every nation. They have ties to Al-Qaeda
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A claim this idiotic pretty much decimates your credibility. Why should anyone listen to someone making this claim that flies in the face of history and reality?

Al-Qaeda - Wikipedia

Is Al Qaeda Sunni or Shia?

Al-Qaeda is also responsible for instigating sectarian violence among Muslims. Al-Qaeda's leaders regard liberal Muslims, Shias, Sufis and other sects as heretical and its members and sympathizers have attacked their mosques and gatherings.
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Iran - Wikipedia

State religion:
Islam (Twelver Shia)
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To those worried about 'war with Iran', here is representative Matt Leu grilling the Trump's pick for U.S. envoy to Iran.

 
Mr Person said:
Well, we're not quite at war yet, but it might actually be worse than if we had simply blown away some Iranians.

Remember when Obama's "red line" in Syria was supposed to be a horrible display of American weakness? Well, now we've got a horribly display of weakness and incompetence: he hears about the drone getting shot down on Fox, gets mad, orders a military attack without gathering any information or thinking, and then publicly pats himself on the back for backing down at the last minute. (And naturally this cannot be said without also mentioning the craven display of Trumpists who were outraged at Obama's red line and are now touting Trump's cravenness as some kind of virtue).

That signals to anyone who wants to **** with us that we're wide open. Same thing as with his pathetic failures with North Korea.




Better to just do nothing, even.
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IIRC, congressional and military leaders [who have actually been planning a response to the tanker attacks for weeks] were summoned to a meeting to discuss this situation, not a knee-jerk reaction you speak of. Making it something else just shows your overall bias.

Would you rather he nuked Iran?
 
Mr Person said:
Well, we're not quite at war yet, but it might actually be worse than if we had simply blown away some Iranians.

Remember when Obama's "red line" in Syria was supposed to be a horrible display of American weakness? Well, now we've got a horribly display of weakness and incompetence: he hears about the drone getting shot down on Fox, gets mad, orders a military attack without gathering any information or thinking, and then publicly pats himself on the back for backing down at the last minute. (And naturally this cannot be said without also mentioning the craven display of Trumpists who were outraged at Obama's red line and are now touting Trump's cravenness as some kind of virtue).

That signals to anyone who wants to **** with us that we're wide open. Same thing as with his pathetic failures with North Korea.




Better to just do nothing, even.
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MSNBC tell you that?
 
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