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Complete idiot Trump walks into war with Iran

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So, basically Trump's handlers have slow walked him into war with Iran and Trump is sitting there like "Durrr, but, me no wanted war with Iran." What a complete ****ing moron. Anyone who didn't want more war would have NEVER picked John Bolton for a NSA. What do you want to bet, Trump picked John Bolton based on the qualification of seeing him appear on Fox News, and that Trump had no conception that John Bolton's philosophy was in direct conflict with his own. What a ****ing imbecile. Anyone saying Trump is playing 3D chess with Iran does not see that the lights are out, no one has a flashlight, no one has a matchbook. Dumbass.
 
So we’re at war now? When did that happen?
 
Fake news. [actually just a faux opinion]
 
So, basically Trump's handlers have slow walked him into war with Iran and Trump is sitting there like "Durrr, but, me no wanted war with Iran." What a complete ****ing moron. Anyone who didn't want more war would have NEVER picked John Bolton for a NSA. What do you want to bet, Trump picked John Bolton based on the qualification of seeing him appear on Fox News, and that Trump had no conception that John Bolton's philosophy was in direct conflict with his own. What a ****ing imbecile. Anyone saying Trump is playing 3D chess with Iran does not see that the lights are out, no one has a flashlight, no one has a matchbook. Dumbass.

You know we're not at war, right?
 
So, basically Trump's handlers have slow walked him into war with Iran and Trump is sitting there like "Durrr, but, me no wanted war with Iran." What a complete ****ing moron. Anyone who didn't want more war would have NEVER picked John Bolton for a NSA. What do you want to bet, Trump picked John Bolton based on the qualification of seeing him appear on Fox News, and that Trump had no conception that John Bolton's philosophy was in direct conflict with his own. What a ****ing imbecile. Anyone saying Trump is playing 3D chess with Iran does not see that the lights are out, no one has a flashlight, no one has a matchbook. Dumbass.

We arent at war with Iran for one main reason: Trump didnt overreact to the downing of an unmanned machine. Admit it, had he responded with force you would have made the same post. You oppose him no matter what he does, so there is really no point in taking your criticism seriously.
 
So, basically Trump's handlers have slow walked him into war with Iran and Trump is sitting there like "Durrr, but, me no wanted war with Iran." What a complete ****ing moron. Anyone who didn't want more war would have NEVER picked John Bolton for a NSA. What do you want to bet, Trump picked John Bolton based on the qualification of seeing him appear on Fox News, and that Trump had no conception that John Bolton's philosophy was in direct conflict with his own. What a ****ing imbecile. Anyone saying Trump is playing 3D chess with Iran does not see that the lights are out, no one has a flashlight, no one has a matchbook. Dumbass.

Well, we're not quite at war yet, but it might actually be worse than if we had simply blown away some Iranians.

Remember when Obama's "red line" in Syria was supposed to be a horrible display of American weakness? Well, now we've got a horribly display of weakness and incompetence: he hears about the drone getting shot down on Fox, gets mad, orders a military attack without gathering any information or thinking, and then publicly pats himself on the back for backing down at the last minute. (And naturally this cannot be said without also mentioning the craven display of Trumpists who were outraged at Obama's red line and are now touting Trump's cravenness as some kind of virtue).

That signals to anyone who wants to **** with us that we're wide open. Same thing as with his pathetic failures with North Korea.




Better to just do nothing, even.
 
Well, we're not quite at war yet, but it might actually be worse than if we had simply blown away some Iranians.

Remember when Obama's "red line" in Syria was supposed to be a horrible display of American weakness? Well, now we've got a horribly display of weakness and incompetence: he hears about the drone getting shot down on Fox, gets mad, orders a military attack without gathering any information or thinking, and then publicly pats himself on the back for backing down at the last minute. (And naturally this cannot be said without also mentioning the craven display of Trumpists who were outraged at Obama's red line and are now touting Trump's cravenness as some kind of virtue).

That signals to anyone who wants to **** with us that we're wide open. Same thing as with his pathetic failures with North Korea.




Better to just do nothing, even.

Trump didnt draw a 'red line' nor is this a sign of weakness. If you think that this somehow gives a green light to every bad actor out there to attack US interests, you dont know what the hell you are talking about and are spending way too much time listening to 'experts' in CNN
 
Based on the replies in this thread I think the left is just dying to go to war! Wonder why?
 
And Trump started it by forcing Iran to blow up a couple of ships and shoot down a drone.

tRump started this by going around wrecking everything Obama did, like the pharaohs of old- destroy the legacy, and declared the Iranian Nuke deal, bad, bad, very bad YUGELY bad, tore it up and imposed extreme sanctions. (something he didn't do when the Russians were caught interfering with the core of our Republic- national elections)

tRump's biggest problem is he thinks every leaders is a loud mouthed blowhard like him and will tuck tail... :peace
 
tRump started this by going around wrecking everything Obama did, like the pharaohs of old- destroy the legacy, and declared the Iranian Nuke deal, bad, bad, very bad YUGELY bad, tore it up and imposed extreme sanctions. (something he didn't do when the Russians were caught interfering with the core of our Republic- national elections)

tRump's biggest problem is he thinks every leaders is a loud mouthed blowhard like him and will tuck tail... :peace

Obama made an unconstitutional deal. He created the conditions for the deal to be scrapped. Had he cut a deal, got it ratified by the Senate, it would have been illegal to back out.

BTW, Trump has killed more Russians than any president since Reagan.
 
Well, we're not quite at war yet, but it might actually be worse than if we had simply blown away some Iranians.

Remember when Obama's "red line" in Syria was supposed to be a horrible display of American weakness? Well, now we've got a horribly display of weakness and incompetence: he hears about the drone getting shot down on Fox, gets mad, orders a military attack without gathering any information or thinking, and then publicly pats himself on the back for backing down at the last minute. (And naturally this cannot be said without also mentioning the craven display of Trumpists who were outraged at Obama's red line and are now touting Trump's cravenness as some kind of virtue).

That signals to anyone who wants to **** with us that we're wide open. Same thing as with his pathetic failures with North Korea.




Better to just do nothing, even.

Trump's red line is U.S. casualties. That line hasn't been crossed.
 
And Trump started it by forcing Iran to blow up a couple of ships and shoot down a drone.

If Trump would have just appeased them and paid them some more money, they wouldn't had to do it.
 
Obama made an unconstitutional deal. He created the conditions for the deal to be scrapped. Had he cut a deal, got it ratified by the Senate, it would have been illegal to back out. BTW, Trump has killed more Russians than any president since Reagan.

Funny how you love the technicalities, tRump didn't need to scrap the deal to work for a better one, and avoid so much drama so close to the life's blood of the Industrial world. Fact is now is the Middle East has once more been turned into a powder keg, and on a Republicant's watch... :roll:

Did tRump consult with our allies before withdrawing? How about our own Congress???? Did he consult with congress before declaring sanctions???

Facts are simple, Congress could have nullified the agreement if they thought it wasn't in our best interest. Nice try to shift 'blame' from a temper tantrum throwing fake tan guy.

If you mean Mercs in Syria, I wouldn't count them. If you mean operatives who have suddenly disappeared since the election interference I'd say the Russians did most/all of that.

To sum up, Obama created a pause in the escalation of violence and tRump has thrashed his bully/coward ass around the china shop blaming everyone else but himself for the crisis... :peace
 
So, basically Trump's handlers have slow walked him into war with Iran and Trump is sitting there like "Durrr, but, me no wanted war with Iran." What a complete ****ing moron. Anyone who didn't want more war would have NEVER picked John Bolton for a NSA. What do you want to bet, Trump picked John Bolton based on the qualification of seeing him appear on Fox News, and that Trump had no conception that John Bolton's philosophy was in direct conflict with his own. What a ****ing imbecile. Anyone saying Trump is playing 3D chess with Iran does not see that the lights are out, no one has a flashlight, no one has a matchbook. Dumbass.

Been reading The Onion?
 
Remember the good old days when the Trump haterz were all caterwauling about Trump and the nuclear launch codes??
Remember when Hillary warned that Trump would launch an attack in a pique of anger?
Remember when Congress was fretting about how to take that power away from Trump, because surely he's launch unprovoked attacks?

Now they're all attacking Trump for NOT attacking Iran.
 
Funny how you love the technicalities, tRump didn't need to scrap the deal to work for a better one, and avoid so much drama so close to the life's blood of the Industrial world. Fact is now is the Middle East has once more been turned into a powder keg, and on a Republicant's watch... :roll:

Did tRump consult with our allies before withdrawing? How about our own Congress???? Did he consult with congress before declaring sanctions???

Facts are simple, Congress could have nullified the agreement if they thought it wasn't in our best interest. Nice try to shift 'blame' from a temper tantrum throwing fake tan guy.

If you mean Mercs in Syria, I wouldn't count them. If you mean operatives who have suddenly disappeared since the election interference I'd say the Russians did most/all of that.

To sum up, Obama created a pause in the escalation of violence and tRump has thrashed his bully/coward ass around the china shop blaming everyone else but himself for the crisis... :peace

Yet another post devoid of any relative facts other than to hate on Trump.

Since the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the government of Iran is recognized by several countries, including the United States, of funding, providing equipment, weapons, training and giving sanctuary to terrorists. Iran has been training, financing, and providing weapons and safe havens for non-state militant actors, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza, and other Palestinian groups (Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)).

And for some reasons Obama decided to trust these people, give them back millions of confiscated cash, and kick the can down the road so he doesn't have to deal with it with the dumbest deal in the history of our country.

It has already been determined by the Global nuclear watchdog, (the IAEA) and they state Iran has already increased production of enriched uranium - but it is not known by how much.

Before July 2015, Iran had a large stockpile of enriched uranium and almost 20,000 centrifuges, enough to create eight to 10 bombs, according to the Obama administration. US experts estimated then that if Iran had decided to rush to make a bomb, it would take two to three months until it had enough 90%-enriched uranium to build a nuclear weapon - the so-called "break-out time".

So your solution would be to abide by an agreement with a known terrorist nation (when its obvious they aren't abiding by it) in hopes they don't create a nuclear asset while they chant in the street, death to America?

Yeah, Obama created a pause alright, enough pause to put this nation in a nuclear exchange with a globally agreed terrorist nation. Trump took on the responsibility of drawing a line in the sand, imposing sanctions until no nuclear material is being produced instead of fluffing Iran with more money to try and buy their commitment.

Your hatred for Trump is higher than your concern for real facts or the obvious threat of Iran with enough material to build a nuclear asset.
 
Well, we're not quite at war yet, but it might actually be worse than if we had simply blown away some Iranians.

Remember when Obama's "red line" in Syria was supposed to be a horrible display of American weakness? Well, now we've got a horribly display of weakness and incompetence: he hears about the drone getting shot down on Fox, gets mad, orders a military attack without gathering any information or thinking, and then publicly pats himself on the back for backing down at the last minute. (And naturally this cannot be said without also mentioning the craven display of Trumpists who were outraged at Obama's red line and are now touting Trump's cravenness as some kind of virtue).

That signals to anyone who wants to **** with us that we're wide open. Same thing as with his pathetic failures with North Korea.




Better to just do nothing, even.


It is one that the Iranians are well aware of too.

Trump has a knack of giving away his negotiating leverage.

This is either because he does not understand politics or government (which is blindingly obvious, by now), or because he has always conducted himself this way, and always tried to pass himself off and confident in his own genius (there is plenty of evidence of that too).

Actually, I think the man is deeply insecure, afraid to make a mistake, and definitely not willing to take responsibility for anything.

And Trump does nothing for any other purpose other than entertaining his domestic political base.

Trump gave away the single biggest bargaining chip we had with China his first week in office, when he unilaterally torpedoed the Trans Pacific Partnership. He handed Beijing a gift on a plate, and got absolutely nothing for it (he didn’t even think to ask!).

Then he allowed himself to get in a bullying spat with Kim Jung Un, whose schoolboy antics were well known and generally ignored going all the way back to his grandfather. But Trump had to wade in and lower the Presidency to that juvenile level.

Then he went obsequious on us. All he really wanted was to look statesmanlike on Fox News. He had no plan, no agenda, and no clear goals.

And he unilaterally declared victory and dissed our allies in the process.

North Korea went home with everything they came with in tact.

The Iranians watched the lessons that two US Presidents, Bush and Trump taught (inadvertently in both cases).

Bush labeled Iran, North Korea and Iraq as in an imaginary “axis of evil”. Then Bush attacked the one country in the “axis” the they knew didn’t have nuclear weapons.

Iran and North Korea both immediately resumed their programs. North Korea accelerated theirs as a national priority.

The American blustered and threatened both countries. Both ignored them.

Iran used their program as a bargaining chip to recover lost funds and to ease trade restrictions.

North Korea built a bomb, and later missles.

And Kim Jong Un punked Trump not once, but twice. And the UN and US sanctions are much leakier now than they were before Trump bullied and blustered.

Iran has every incentive to behave exactly the way the North Koreans did. After all, it worked.
 
Yet another post devoid of any relative facts other than to hate on Trump.

Since the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the government of Iran is recognized by several countries, including the United States, of funding, providing equipment, weapons, training and giving sanctuary to terrorists. Iran has been training, financing, and providing weapons and safe havens for non-state militant actors, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza, and other Palestinian groups (Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)).

And for some reasons Obama decided to trust these people, give them back millions of confiscated cash, and kick the can down the road so he doesn't have to deal with it with the dumbest deal in the history of our country.

It has already been determined by the Global nuclear watchdog, (the IAEA) and they state Iran has already increased production of enriched uranium - but it is not known by how much.

Before July 2015, Iran had a large stockpile of enriched uranium and almost 20,000 centrifuges, enough to create eight to 10 bombs, according to the Obama administration. US experts estimated then that if Iran had decided to rush to make a bomb, it would take two to three months until it had enough 90%-enriched uranium to build a nuclear weapon - the so-called "break-out time".

So your solution would be to abide by an agreement with a known terrorist nation (when its obvious they aren't abiding by it) in hopes they don't create a nuclear asset while they chant in the street, death to America?

Yeah, Obama created a pause alright, enough pause to put this nation in a nuclear exchange with a globally agreed terrorist nation. Trump took on the responsibility of drawing a line in the sand, imposing sanctions until no nuclear material is being produced instead of fluffing Iran with more money to try and buy their commitment.

Your hatred for Trump is higher than your concern for real facts or the obvious threat of Iran with enough material to build a nuclear asset.

There isn’t a country in the Muslim world that does not support the Palestinians. I have always found it remarkable that right wingers buy the spin line about this, and ignore the widespread support for Palestine that our Middle East allies engage in. It’s almost as bizzarre as the way most Americans still ignore the fact that the 9/11 attackers were almost all Saudis, while Trump does sword dances with them.

I notice that you glossed over the fact that Iran destroyed most of those centerfuges under international supervision.

Iran did not come to the table until after Obama convinced our allies (particularly the British and the Russians) to participate. Bolton and Bush never could do that, which was why they failed.

Trump has gone back to the Bush/Bolton strategy, and is failing again.

Bluster and saber rattling isn’t going to get them anywhere.

And Iran, after watching Trump get punked by Kim Jong Un, knows they can play Trump too.

After all, he took away their only incentive NOT to build a bomb. And, as the North Korean example proves, having one is the best insurance.
 
There isn’t a country in the Muslim world that does not support the Palestinians. I have always found it remarkable that right wingers buy the spin line about this, and ignore the widespread support for Palestine that our Middle East allies engage in. It’s almost as bizzarre as the way most Americans still ignore the fact that the 9/11 attackers were almost all Saudis, while Trump does sword dances with them.

There isn't anything bizarre about Irans funding, providing equipment, weapons, training and giving sanctuary to terrorists or you don't feel that is important enough to bring up.


Iran did not come to the table until after Obama convinced our allies (particularly the British and the Russians) to participate. Bolton and Bush never could do that, which was why they failed.

I agree, they never failed at providing a worthless agreement Iran never had any intentions of following

Trump has gone back to the Bush/Bolton strategy, and is failing again.

How did they fail again, I must have missed that part.

And Iran, after watching Trump get punked by Kim Jong Un, knows they can play Trump too.

How did Trump get punked? Last I checked NK is dying on the vine under the current sanctions and continuing to request talks.

After all, he took away their only incentive NOT to build a bomb. And, as the North Korean example proves, having one is the best insurance.

So you think Iran should have a nuclear weapon because its the best insurance? You should really rethink your objectives. You think a terrorist regime should have access to nuclear weapons because its the nice thing to do?
 
So, basically Trump's handlers have slow walked him into war with Iran and Trump is sitting there like "Durrr, but, me no wanted war with Iran." What a complete ****ing moron. Anyone who didn't want more war would have NEVER picked John Bolton for a NSA. What do you want to bet, Trump picked John Bolton based on the qualification of seeing him appear on Fox News, and that Trump had no conception that John Bolton's philosophy was in direct conflict with his own. What a ****ing imbecile. Anyone saying Trump is playing 3D chess with Iran does not see that the lights are out, no one has a flashlight, no one has a matchbook. Dumbass.

What war? Can I borrow your post; my garden needs fertilizing. :cool:
 
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