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I’m calling bull crap on Trump’s last minute order cancellation

Chillfolks said:
Do you think there was never a bombing planned, that Trump ordered it and the generals ignored the order, or it was called off for another reason?
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I think Trump lied about the sequence events.

tres borrachos said:
"His Generals"?

I feel like I'm reading something being retold by the parents of a fat toddler opening his first Battleship game on Christmas morning.
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More Trump ridiculous “reality president”. :roll:

Bullseye said:
And your expertise on this comes from . . .?
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No expertise is required. This event is far from the first military action carried out during the modern era where the public is informed by the White House and Pentagon personnel on the planning and briefing steps after the action is completed. Briefing POTUS SOP.

Also, 23 years of military experience. Nothing happens without a briefing. Look up the 7 P’s of successful operations.

Helix said:
since basically everything that he says is a lie, no.
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Yep.

Parrish said:
Estimate of potential U.S. service members killed and injured during the operation;
Potential threats to U.S. military, diplomatic and civilian targets in retaliation actions by the targeted country.
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Exactly.

Barnacle said:
Yup ... How dare he not start WWIII !!!
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Missing the point, as usual.

Condor060 said:
This is why nobody takes these threads seriously anymore. Had he launched an attack he would have been a childish war monger with a temper tantrum that only made the decision to get the countries attention away from (X)

So when he demonstrates some restraint and does not attack like every president before him trying to get us into another war, you can't stand he made a good decision for the country so instead of promoting the right decision, all you are left with is some BS concocted story you just made up out of thin air to just hate on the guy.

You do realize how hypocritical this is, right?
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There is nothing hypocritical in my post. Nothing.
 
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And your expertise on this comes from . . .?
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Rexedgar said:
Two working eyes and two working ears?
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Oh, well, In that case, who was on the grassy knoll during the JFK assassination since you have the same insight as 300 million other people in the US.
 
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Despots around the world breathed a sigh of relief today.
 
Whether he did it or just said he did it, whether it was his idea (unlikely) or he got some sound advice (for once), either way he's using it to build suspense. He's trying to create an Apprentice style "will he won't he" moment because he thinks this is all just TV.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
I think Trump lied about the sequence events.


More Trump ridiculous “reality president”. :roll:


No expertise is required. This event is far from the first military action carried out during the modern era where the public is informed by the White House and Pentagon personnel on the planning and briefing steps after the action is completed. Briefing POTUS SOP.

Also, 23 years of military experience. Nothing happens without a briefing. Look up the 7 P’s of successful operations.


Yep.


Exactly.


Missing the point, as usual.


There is nothing hypocritical in my post. Nothing.
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Except for the part you just made up because you can't acknowledge the proper response made by Trump.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Am I the only one who smells the stench of yet another Trump whopper?

I listened to part of an interview Trump did with Chuck Todd, during which Trump described his thoughts/actions during last nights on, then off retaliatory strike against Iran for downing one of our spy drones.

Trump said that “his Generals” came to tell him that everything was ready to go for launching the operation. Trump said that he asked if there would be any human casualties, and the General told him he had to go find out and would get right back to him. A short while later, Trump said, the General came back and advised him that casualties could reach 150 dead.

The glaring irregularity in Trump’s purported story is that he wasn’t briefed at that time how many could be killed. That’s bull****. President’s are advised beforehand of that very important factor.

Was Trump trying to make himself out to be a hero?

Watch for more to come out about this.
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are you suggesting he embellished the truth, Wow, shocker! No wait wait, he lied. Yeah a real whopper he told there..Bailiff, whack his pee pee!
 
eohrnberger said:
One would think that it's a good thing that further escalation in an already volatile region of the world was avoided, yet so many condemn the decision.

Make no mistake, had the decision gone the other way, to proceed with the strikes, the same people would condemn that decision as well.

Just as long as they can condemn the president which they don't like, that's all that makes them happy. :roll:

Frankly, getting completely fed up with this bull**** and hypocrisy.
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Amen. To hear the idiots on CNN question Trump backing off as if it's a bad thing is complete TDS lunacy.
What I think about is how Obama and his cronies put so much stock in his vanity project with the Iran deal. And STILL, Obama's cronies are back channeling with Iran, marginalizing Trump, telling them to hang in there because he'll be gone soon.
Well, Trump's sanctions are hurting them and the Democrat clown car that is the 2020 race is a **** show. Iran is painfully aware that the pain will continue when and if Trump gets re-elected.
 
uptower said:
Whether he did it or just said he did it, whether it was his idea (unlikely) or he got some sound advice (for once), either way he's using it to build suspense. He's trying to create an Apprentice style "will he won't he" moment because he thinks this is all just TV.
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exactly. and it's not even like this is the first time he's done this. it shouldn't be surprising at all, even to Trumpists. like, he just did it this week, where he was telling people on camera "oh, you'll just have to wait and see"
 
nekrodev said:
exactly. and it's not even like this is the first time he's done this. it shouldn't be surprising at all, even to Trumpists. like, he just did it this week, where he was telling people on camera "oh, you'll just have to wait and see"
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Is that sorta like "you will have to wait until it passes to see what's in it"?
 
Condor060 said:
Except for the part you just made up because you can't acknowledge the proper response made by Trump.
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First, you said that I’m being hypocritical. Now you’re saying I made something up.

Post my specific comments you drew your understanding from.
 
MovingPictures said:
There are two options for a President: make a move, or don't.

When you go halfway and then change your mind, you look like a leader that's unsure of themselves, and something not be taken seriously.

I think even someone on your level would knows this, but you're pretending like it's hard for you to understand. But, the reality is that if Obama had done a halfway military action and then changed his mind, you'd be killing him a weak ***** that isn't capable of leading.

He was playing you and you're eating up. :lol:
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There is no half way. Thats like being half pregnant. He didn't launch an attack and change his mind after the fact. You are just making this up. He was briefed to move forward with a response and he decided not to respond. Now, instead of a simple, hey, good decision, we are making up our own stories as the what really happened even though he made the right decision?

How would you know anything? Where you in the briefing? Did someone in the briefing come out to say Trump is lying? Were you privy to a recording of the briefing? If your answer to all of the questions is no, What just made you the expert on the decision Trump made?

Answer, Nothing. So why the need to promote a useless theory trying to degrade the president unless you are promoting the attack on Iran.
 
Condor060 said:
I know, right? I mean, how dare Trump make the right decision. We just can't have this. Its going to ruin everyone's weekend not able to post how hes a war mongering ass who only attacked to get everyones mind off of (X). This sucks.
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Why would he have approved the order without first ascertaining the number of casualties? Why wouldn't that information be included in any briefing about the operation when he was presented target options? Shouldn't it have been among the first considerations, if not the first consideration, what the loss of life would be?
 
Thingfish said:
are you suggesting he embellished the truth, Wow, shocker! No wait wait, he lied. Yeah a real whopper he told there..Bailiff, whack his pee pee!
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According to the lady in the “rape” thread, that might require a tiny ruler.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Am I the only one who smells the stench of yet another Trump whopper?

I listened to part of an interview Trump did with Chuck Todd, during which Trump described his thoughts/actions during last nights on, then off retaliatory strike against Iran for downing one of our spy drones.

Trump said that “his Generals” came to tell him that everything was ready to go for launching the operation. Trump said that he asked if there would be any human casualties, and the General told him he had to go find out and would get right back to him. A short while later, Trump said, the General came back and advised him that casualties could reach 150 dead.

The glaring irregularity in Trump’s purported story is that he wasn’t briefed at that time how many could be killed. That’s bull****. President’s are advised beforehand of that very important factor.

Was Trump trying to make himself out to be a hero?

Watch for more to come out about this.
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This has been my thoughts all along. It's total bull****, on Trump's part. I don't even really pay attention to Trump's words anymore, and I'm blown away the media follows this as if it's word - when it's a bull****ter's story.

Why the media would report on this noise without verification and sourcing, is beyond me. It's just giving Trump a mouthpiece to manipulate the gullible public.
 
Gina said:
Why would he have approved the order without first ascertaining the number of casualties?
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Because it's a lie.

President's are briefed on causalities from the get-go.
 
MovingPictures said:
It's not hard to figure this out folks.

This was another reality show stunt by Trump for attention and to look tough. He gave the order with no intention of going through with it, and planned to pull out at the last minute. The stunt made him look as though he was willing to be tough on Iran, will not having to actually conduct a strike against them.
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It's all about looking tough to his base. I suspect he knows a war going into the election will sink him. But damn, he really screwed-up Iran after Obama had it all settled down, or at least reasonably contained.
 
Chomsky said:
This has been my thoughts all along. It's total bull****, on Trump's part. I don't even really pay attention to Trump's words anymore, and I'm blown away the media follows this as if it's word - when it's a bull****ter's story.

Why the media would report on this noise without verification and sourcing, is beyond me. It's just giving Trump a mouthpiece to manipulate the gullible public.
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That's the problem.

If the media had to wait for secondhand information to report on Trump's word, they'd never have anything to report on.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Am I the only one who smells the stench of yet another Trump whopper?

I listened to part of an interview Trump did with Chuck Todd, during which Trump described his thoughts/actions during last nights on, then off retaliatory strike against Iran for downing one of our spy drones.

Trump said that “his Generals” came to tell him that everything was ready to go for launching the operation. Trump said that he asked if there would be any human casualties, and the General told him he had to go find out and would get right back to him. A short while later, Trump said, the General came back and advised him that casualties could reach 150 dead.

The glaring irregularity in Trump’s purported story is that he wasn’t briefed at that time how many could be killed. That’s bull****. President’s are advised beforehand of that very important factor.

Was Trump trying to make himself out to be a hero?

Watch for more to come out about this.
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I don't believe 150 casualties in and of themselves had anything to do with it. Getting us engaged in a fight that we are only willing to BLUSTER about...that is a different story.
 
Chomsky said:
It's all about looking tough to his base. I suspect he knows a war going into the election will sink him. But damn, he really screwed-up Iran after Obama had it all settled down, or at least reasonably contained.
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Yep, his base is into his wannabe Tony Soprano shtick, with the long jacket and cringe worthy strutting.
 
Gina said:
Why would he have approved the order without first ascertaining the number of casualties? Why wouldn't that information be included in any briefing about the operation when he was presented target options? Shouldn't it have been among the first considerations, if not the first consideration, what the loss of life would be?
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George Conway on Twitter: "Trump didn’t realize UNTIL TEN MINUTES BEFOREHAND that a planned airstrike would kill over a hundred people and would therefore be grossly disproportionate to the loss of a UAV?

To say this is amateur hour would defame amateurs."
 
Parrish said:
It smelled when I first read his tweets and then heard his interview. As a former NSC briefer said, "“Can any of us take at face value Trump’s portrayal of events?” he asked. “We don’t even know what the real story is. We have a president who basically runs the same play over and over again, which is: He lights everything on fire and then he pretends to put the fire out and take credit for it.”

Under ‘regular order’ in the NSC process, yes, but we don’t have regular order so perhaps not,” said a former NSC staff member who served under both Republican and Democratic presidents.
Among the information a president would receive from intelligence agencies and Department of Defense officials:
Estimate of military members and civilians killed and injured at the target sites;

Estimate of potential U.S. service members killed and injured during the operation;
Potential threats to U.S. military, diplomatic and civilian targets in retaliation actions by the targeted country.
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Yeah, accept in his rush to the rescue, as you described in the bolded, he screws a lot of stuff up that wasn't broken. This case, is a perfect example. He undid years of work by the Obama administration and our allies in getting the iran situation under control. Now, he may indeed have a dangerous situation there due to his maniacal incompetence. The damn idiot!
 
Acadia said:
Amen. To hear the idiots on CNN question Trump backing off as if it's a bad thing is complete TDS lunacy.
What I think about is how Obama and his cronies put so much stock in his vanity project with the Iran deal. And STILL, Obama's cronies are back channeling with Iran, marginalizing Trump, telling them to hang in there because he'll be gone soon.
Well, Trump's sanctions are hurting them and the Democrat clown car that is the 2020 race is a **** show. Iran is painfully aware that the pain will continue when and if Trump gets re-elected.
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That's what's killin' the torch and pitchfork crowd ... they had their circle-jerk party cancelled :2mad: by Trump's restraint.
 
eohrnberger said:
One would think that it's a good thing that further escalation in an already volatile region of the world was avoided, yet so many condemn the decision.

Make no mistake, had the decision gone the other way, to proceed with the strikes, the same people would condemn that decision as well.

Just as long as they can condemn the president which they don't like, that's all that makes them happy. :roll:

Frankly, getting completely fed up with this bull**** and hypocrisy.
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??

We are only in this situation, because Trump put us there! :doh

That's what we're pissed-off about, and very rightfully so.
 
NiceGuyEddie said:
That's what's killin' the torch and pitchfork crowd ... they had their circle-jerk party cancelled :2mad: by Trump's restraint.
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Restraint? Why didn't he know the casualty figures before he approved it? Who gives an order to bomb without knowing what the loss of life would be? He shouldn't have approved of the bombing in the first place if he thought the number of casualties would be a disproportional response to the downing of un-manned drones. That would have been restraint, but then he wouldn't have gotten air time to toot his horn for calling it off at the last minute.

From a former counsel to the Department of Defense:
Ryan Goodman, a former special counsel for the Department of Defense, tweeted that the president's story doesn't make sense.

"Story doesn't add up. For one thing the General would not have "to get back to you on that" for estimated casualties. It would be right there in black and white as part of Concept of Operation. Is Trump suggesting the Pentagon brought him a plan without having those figures?" Goodman wrote in one post.
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'Hard to Believe' Trump Only Learned About Casualties Minutes Before Iran Strike: Expert
 
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