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    Re: Iím calling bull crap on Trumpís last minute order cancellation

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    One would think that it's a good thing that further escalation in an already volatile region of the world was avoided, yet so many condemn the decision.

    Make no mistake, had the decision gone the other way, to proceed with the strikes, the same people would condemn that decision as well.

    Just as long as they can condemn the president which they don't like, that's all that makes them happy.

    Frankly, getting completely fed up with this bull**** and hypocrisy.
    There is no rational explanation for his cooked up fairy tale that does not involve grave dysfunction.

    No military briefing fails to include the part about enemy casualties.
    Well, he see this one particularly hot chick and not does she bag he slackjawed, but he lets a "Whoa" slip out

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    Re: Iím calling bull crap on Trumpís last minute order cancellation

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Why would he have approved the order without first ascertaining the number of casualties? Why wouldn't that information be included in any briefing about the operation when he was presented target options? Shouldn't it have been among the first considerations, if not the first consideration, what the loss of life would be?
    Usually, (not saying this is what happened as I wasn't there) Usually, a proportional response to shooting down a US asset is to take out the battery that fired on the asset. These are manned by military personnel. If we are attacking a building downtown (X) you would get a civilian casualty number. I don't remember ever hearing about military member number considerations while attacking military assets until after the fact. I could be wrong.

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    Re: Iím calling bull crap on Trumpís last minute order cancellation

    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfDaedalus View Post
    Remember that story he told about how he fought for a raise for the military?

    "They said 2%. I said no. They said 5%. I said no, make it 10%"

    At this point, you have to have the mind of a child to believe anything Trump says.
    Get this:

    Arthur Laffer just recently published a book about Trump and his economic policy, even naming the book after Trump. So yesterday, Trump gives him The Presidential Medal of Freedom! But it gets better. As Trump presides over the ceremony, he hyperbolically recounts the high esteem of the Laffer Curve, and how long he and his professors and fellow students studded it, how important it was, and how much he spent reading about it!

    But wait! Laffer didn't begin to formulate his hypothesis until the mid-seventies! And Trump graduated in '68!

    I mean, you just can't make this **** up!
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    Re: Iím calling bull crap on Trumpís last minute order cancellation

    Quote Originally Posted by Condor060 View Post
    Usually, (not saying this is what happened as I wasn't there) Usually, a proportional response to shooting down a US asset is to take out the battery that fired on the asset. These are manned by military personnel. If we are attacking a building downtown (X) you would get a civilian casualty number. I don't remember ever hearing about military member number considerations while attacking military assets until after the fact. I could be wrong.
    According to experts:
    "I find it hard to believe that was the first time they told him," Mark Cancian, a defense expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told Newsweek. "This is an unusual situation because it's at the front-end of a conflict so it would get very high level attention."

    Cancian formerly worked on war funding, force development and procurement programs at the Office of Management and Budget and in the Pentagon. He also spent three decades serving in the Marines Corps.

    Casualty numbers are routinely factored into a briefing on any strike, he said, and the military has sophisticated tools designed to predict weapons effects. According to Cancian, one program, nicknamed "bug splat," is specifically used to calculate potential casualties and other symptoms of war.

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    Ryan Goodman, a former special counsel for the Department of Defense, tweeted that the president's story doesn't make sense.

    "Story doesn't add up. For one thing the General would not have "to get back to you on that" for estimated casualties. It would be right there in black and white as part of Concept of Operation. Is Trump suggesting the Pentagon brought him a plan without having those figures?" Goodman wrote in one post.
    'Hard to Believe' Trump Only Learned About Casualties Minutes Before Iran Strike: Expert


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    Re: Iím calling bull crap on Trumpís last minute order cancellation

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Get this:

    Arthur Laffer just recently published a book about Trump and his economic policy, even naming the book after Trump. So yesterday, Trump gives him The Presidential Medal of Freedom! But it gets better. As Trump presides over the ceremony, he hyperbolically recounts the high esteem of the Laffer Curve, and how long he and his professors and fellow students studded it, how important it was, and how much he spent reading about it!

    But wait! Laffer didn't begin to formulate his hypothesis until the mid-seventies! And Trump graduated in '68!

    I mean, you just can't make this **** up!
    But Donald apparently has no problem with making stuff up.

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    Re: Iím calling bull crap on Trumpís last minute order cancellation

    Quote Originally Posted by uptower View Post
    Whether he did it or just said he did it, whether it was his idea (unlikely) or he got some sound advice (for once), either way he's using it to build suspense. He's trying to create an Apprentice style "will he won't he" moment because he thinks this is all just TV.
    Yep. A Reality Show. That's all it ever is.
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    Re: Iím calling bull crap on Trumpís last minute order cancellation

    Quote Originally Posted by nekrodev View Post
    lol please, he's been doing his best to do just that since he started. the fact that nothing really bad has happened so far is actually a ****ing miracle.
    obviously some of you don't understand the influence of the war hawks in DC, and how Trump just stopped them from playing their game. This was a great decision he made.

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    Re: Iím calling bull crap on Trumpís last minute order cancellation

    Quote Originally Posted by Condor060 View Post
    Usually, (not saying this is what happened as I wasn't there) Usually, a proportional response to shooting down a US asset is to take out the battery that fired on the asset. These are manned by military personnel. If we are attacking a building downtown (X) you would get a civilian casualty number. I don't remember ever hearing about military member number considerations while attacking military assets until after the fact. I could be wrong.
    The military has a concerned first and foremost of collateral damage on both sides, so Trump's claim is not believable.

    Seriously, put on you're thinking cap. There's no way you actually buy this lie.

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    Re: Iím calling bull crap on Trumpís last minute order cancellation

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    You forgot,

    " ... and a brain".

    But I suspect you simply didn't want to be as insulting as I just was.
    Yeah, I was playing the scarecrow role; already been called out on my post, irony abounds...
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    Re: Iím calling bull crap on Trumpís last minute order cancellation

    Who knows. The whole thing is crazy

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