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Huffington Post Bans "Dozens" of Anti-Vaxxers

Idiometer said:
In what way is the Huffington Post hiding what they are? How are they different from sites like Breitbart or the Daily Caller, who protect the conservative bubble from pesky outsiders spouting liberal rhetoric?
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Look at what I posted. I was describing Facebook, Google, Twitter and similar "non-partisan" sites.
 
veritas1 said:
They are businesses advertising themselves as open forums but are restricting conservatives. Heck, Pinterest effectively banned Zero Hedge and LiveAction.Org (a pro-life group) by listing them as porn sites. All these so called progressives (who are really afraid of any contrary opinions) should come clean on what they do and who they are.
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Business decision, crank sites are a liability for a business. You can still go read up on all the propaganda and conspiracy baloney via their websites.
 
LowDown said:
The purging of internet platforms continues apace.

Pretty soon all that will be left are cat blogs and recipes. But not high carb recipes.

Not that I'm in favor of anti-vaxxers.

HuffPost Gets Shamed Into Taking Stand on Anti-Vaxxers
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I am not an anti-vaxxer in any regard, but I do believe there is reason to have an honest debate re whether ALL vaccines are necessary, whether there are unreported risks or side effects to some that should cause us to be careful, and/or whether the lumping of so many vaccines into a short period of time in a very young person's life is causing unwanted consequences. Most especially when there are no long term studies to evaluate that.

Education does not eliminate unpopular or contrary points of view just because we believe they are or are probably wrong. Real education encourages ALL points of view along with the arguments to support them and teaches people how to evaluate and think critically to choose the good and bad points of each.

Colleges should disallow any form of censorship on college campuses and should require all persons invited to campus to be treated with the utmost respect regardless of how much we disagree with them. Discussion and disagreement, even denouncement, with what they have to offer is fair game, but not mistreatment of people offering it. That is how real education happens instead of indoctrination with what some in authority intend for people to believe.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I am not an anti-vaxxer in any regard, but I do believe there is reason to have an honest debate re whether ALL vaccines are necessary, whether there are unreported risks or side effects to some that should cause us to be careful, and/or whether the lumping of so many vaccines into a short period of time in a very young person's life is causing unwanted consequences. Most especially when there are no long term studies to evaluate that.
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Those topics are welcomed...in an educational framework. Questions and answers, information provided. I dont know where anyone is suppressing the idea of not asking your Dr if the vaccinations are not required, not medically safe for your child, if there are options, etc.

I would question the competency of parents that take any information regarding their kids medical care without consulting Drs and doing some research. Being at least minimally informed. Then when questions arise...doing their due diligence as responsible parents and researching any issues they find.

Education does not eliminate unpopular or contrary points of view just because we believe they are or are probably wrong. Real education encourages ALL points of view along with the arguments to support them and teaches people how to evaluate and think critically to choose the good and bad points of each.

Colleges should disallow any form of censorship on college campuses and should require all persons invited to campus to be treated with the utmost respect regardless of how much we disagree with them. Discussion and disagreement, even denouncement, with what they have to offer is fair game, but not mistreatment of people offering it. That is how real education happens instead of indoctrination with what some in authority intend for people to believe.
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Do you think that the (soon to be ex) cop and preacher that has been preaching that people should round up and kill LGBTs should be allowed to come speak at college campuses?

Do you think that all the people who have been against the measles vaccinations should be allowed to preach that dogma on a college campus? It's wrong, dangerous, and is now being proven, once again...that they're wrong and dangerous.
 
Lursa said:
Those topics are welcomed...in an educational framework. Questions and answers, information provided. I dont know where anyone is suppressing the idea of not asking your Dr if the vaccinations are not required, not medically safe for your child, if there are options, etc.

I would question the competency of parents that take any information regarding their kids medical care without consulting Drs and doing some research. Being at least minimally informed. Then when questions arise...doing their due diligence as responsible parents and researching any issues they find.



Do you think that the (soon to be ex) cop and preacher that has been preaching that people should round up and kill LGBTs should be allowed to come speak at college campuses?

Do you think that all the people who have been against the measles vaccinations should be allowed to preach that dogma on a college campus? It's wrong, dangerous, and is now being proven, once again...that they're wrong and dangerous.
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People encouraging people to harm/hurt/attack other people should not be invited to speak anywhere.

If there is good reason to promote, even require, the measles vaccine, there should be no harm in allowing somebody who disagrees with that to have his/her say about it. It certainly is easy enough to refute the anti-measles vaccine crowd.

When I was a kid, to get into the public schools you had to have a) a valid birth certificate and b) proof that you had received requisite vaccinations. It was the same when my kids were in public schools.

That pretty much ends the problem and pretty much ensured that certain communicable diseases were eradicated.

But now the schools are required to accept all kids with our without vaccinations. We are taking in thousands of kids and other people crossing our southern border who have no credible documentation of any kind let alone proof of vaccinations. And we are forced to accept this situation in our communities and public schools. But to demand a debate about that is considered racist by the very people demanding that American kids subject to vaccinations no questions asked.

It is nuts, disingenuous, and yes, there should be a public conversation about all of it.
 
Lursa said:
Read up on viruses. All vaccines for viruses pretty much have to be genetically engineered...viruses genetically modify themselves once inside a cell. Vaccines use other genetic modifications to fool the viruses.

As for bacteria...they reproduce in such great numbers that they end up with enough genetic mutations to counter the body's natural immune system. So again, we use genetically modified antibiotics and vaccines to counter mutations so our immune systems can fight them.

Reader's Digest simplified version.
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I have read up on all of this. What you said here is nonsense.

Some people think genetic engineering is great, others think it's crazy. And others never think about it. People who are careful to avoid GMOs in food may not be aware that vaccines may be genetically engineered.

Most of what you said is WRONG. Vaccines do NOT have to be genetically engineered. It is something they have only recently started doing. Vaccines have been around a long time, genetic engineering is new. READ UP ON IT.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I am not an anti-vaxxer in any regard, but I do believe there is reason to have an honest debate re whether ALL vaccines are necessary, whether there are unreported risks or side effects to some that should cause us to be careful, and/or whether the lumping of so many vaccines into a short period of time in a very young person's life is causing unwanted consequences. Most especially when there are no long term studies to evaluate that.
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Right. They discredit everyone who expresses any concern about the reckless overuse of vaccines by calling them an anti-vaxxer.

It's so easy to win arguments now days. Just call someone a conspiracy theorist or a denialist or an anti-vaxxer, and you win the debate.
 
Praxas said:
It’s their choice, anti vaxers are free to start their own media. There are also people that think mentally handicap people should be locked away, that doesn’t mean I want Huffington to give those assholes a platform just because they hold a different view.

Do you think white supremacists should be given a platform just because they hold a different view?
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They already have... NaturalNews.

Natural Health News and Scientific Discoveries - NaturalNews.com
 
Good4Nothin said:
Right. They discredit everyone who expresses any concern about by calling them an anti-vaxxer.

It's so easy to win arguments now days. Just call someone a conspiracy theorist or a denialist or an anti-vaxxer, and you win the debate.
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Please define what you mean by "the reckless overuse of vaccines".
 
LowDown said:
So, just to clarify, you deem my front lawn to be equivalent to a platform intended for publication of political opinions on the internet?
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Antivax is not a political opinion, it's dangerous ignorance that objectively causes harm to children. You can feel free to look through HuffPo's mission statement and see if that fits.
 
Good. Wish every other platform would do it as well, and wish the government would take children from parents that do this ****.

There's no place in our society for your ignorance endangering the lives of your children, and others.
 
LowDown said:
So, just to clarify, free speech isn't an issue for you at all?
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How is the government, Federal or State or Local, affecting their free speech? This is what is guaranteed in our Constitution.
 
nekrodev said:
Good. Wish every other platform would do it as well, and wish the government would take children from parents that do this ****.

There's no place in our society for your ignorance endangering the lives of your children, and others.
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Yeah, take children away from parents if the parents don't agree with your political ideas. Definitely. This is America after all, taking children from parents is the American way.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Right. They discredit everyone who expresses any concern about the reckless overuse of vaccines by calling them an anti-vaxxer.

It's so easy to win arguments now days. Just call someone a conspiracy theorist or a denialist or an anti-vaxxer, and you win the debate.
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That is because the radical left intends for there to be no debate. Only indisputable doctrine--THEIR doctrine--is to be allowed anywhere. No other thought, concept, opinion, belief, value is to be allowed to be expressed or demonstrated. And they don't care who they hurt in enforcing that policy. And any who do express anything other than the designated doctrine that they can't get to in order to punish, attack, and/or destroy, will be immediately labeled one or more of the following:

RACIST
Prejudiced
Bigoted
Deplorable
Hateful
Nazi
Fascist
Violent
White Supremacist
Sexist
Xenophobic
Fear brown people
Islamophobic
Homophobic
Christian sharia
Basement dwellers
Birthers
Misogynistic
Teabaggers
Greedy
Uncaring
Insensitive
Hate the poor
Want to keep the poor in poverty
Want to reinstitute poll taxes, segregation, Jim Crow laws
Violate every person's bedroom and every woman's womb
Smelly Walmart people
Low information
Uneducated
Unscientific
Environmentally irresponsible
Clinging to their guns and religion
and white women vote according to how their boyfriend, husbands, bosses tell them to vote
and/or now anti-voxxer.
 
AlbqOwl said:
If there is good reason to promote, even require, the measles vaccine, there should be no harm in allowing somebody who disagrees with that to have his/her say about it. It certainly is easy enough to refute the anti-measles vaccine crowd.
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:doh We currently have proof that we have very good reason for the ignorant who are against the measles vaccine to be kept out of any self-respecting public arena (undefended) and it's also obvious that it was not 'easy enough' at all to refute it, as it had been publicized for more than a decade of the safety of the vaccines, anti-vax ignorance, and the results that would occur if people stopped vaccinating.

Because we are now having serious measles outbreaks all over the US.
 
AlbqOwl said:
But now the schools are required to accept all kids with our without vaccinations. We are taking in thousands of kids and other people crossing our southern border who have no credible documentation of any kind let alone proof of vaccinations. And we are forced to accept this situation in our communities and public schools. But to demand a debate about that is considered racist by the very people demanding that American kids subject to vaccinations no questions asked.

It is nuts, disingenuous, and yes, there should be a public conversation about all of it.
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I am not aware of any schools that force vaccination on kids that have medical reasons that show they are at risk. Can you please provide some sources?
 
Lursa said:
:doh We currently have proof that we have very good reason for the ignorant who are against the measles vaccine to be kept out of any self-respecting public arena (undefended) and it's also obvious that it was not 'easy enough' at all to refute it, as it had been publicized for more than a decade of the safety of the vaccines, anti-vax ignorance, and the results that would occur if people stopped vaccinating.

Because we are now having serious measles outbreaks all over the US.
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I will join you and applaud your sentiment about that when you post your demand that no migrants be allowed into the country without irrefutable proof of measles and other communicable diseases vaccination and the U.S. taxpayer should not have to furnish the manpower and vaccine. If you don't see it that way, then you are not at all sincere about caring that people have vaccination against measles.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I have read up on all of this. What you said here is nonsense.

Some people think genetic engineering is great, others think it's crazy. And others never think about it. People who are careful to avoid GMOs in food may not be aware that vaccines may be genetically engineered.

Most of what you said is WRONG. Vaccines do NOT have to be genetically engineered. It is something they have only recently started doing. Vaccines have been around a long time, genetic engineering is new. READ UP ON IT.
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Feel free to prove I'm wrong. Please explain to us how viruses reproduce. And how vaccines to kill them are produced.

I'm glad you've 'read up' on this stuff. I have an epidemiology library of about 75 books...it's a 'hobby.'
 
AlbqOwl said:
I will join you and applaud your sentiment about that when you post your demand that no migrants be allowed into the country without irrefutable proof of measles and other communicable diseases vaccination and the U.S. taxpayer should not have to furnish the manpower and vaccine. If you don't see it that way, then you are not at all sincere about caring that people have vaccination against measles.
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I didnt address that at all. Is it the cost of those vaccinations that concerns you, for the people that we end up admitting into the country?
 
Lursa said:
I am not aware of any schools that force vaccination on kids that have medical reasons that show they are at risk. Can you please provide some sources?
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Schools don't. And you didn't read very carefully when you insinuate that I said that. The problem is that the schools do not require vaccinations for communicable diseases these days and, except in the rare circumstance, in my opinion that is criminal. But back in my day--that was WAY before there was anything on the internet or before there WAS an internet--no vaccination, you didn't get to go to school. Period. No exceptions. Parents would be required to find another way to educate you.

That was good policy then. And it should be the policy now.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Schools don't. And you didn't read very carefully when you insinuate that I said that. The problem is that the schools do not require vaccinations for communicable diseases these days and, except in the rare circumstance, in my opinion that is criminal. But back in my day--that was WAY before there was anything on the internet or before there WAS an internet--no vaccination, you didn't get to go to school. Period. No exceptions. Parents would be required to find another way to educate you.

That was good policy then. And it should be the policy now.
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?? You didnt write the following?

AlbqOwl said:
But now the schools are required to accept all kids with our without vaccinations. We are taking in thousands of kids and other people crossing our southern border who have no credible documentation of any kind let alone proof of vaccinations. And we are forced to accept this situation in our communities and public schools. But to demand a debate about that is considered racist by the very people demanding that American kids subject to vaccinations no questions asked.
It is nuts, disingenuous, and yes, there should be a public conversation about all of it.
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So my question stands. What schools are not accepting medical reasons for non-vaccination? I hadnt connected that statement with immigrants...but would they not accept that excuse for them as well?
 
Lursa said:
?? You didnt write the following?

But now the schools are required to accept all kids with our without vaccinations. We are taking in thousands of kids and other people crossing our southern border who have no credible documentation of any kind let alone proof of vaccinations. And we are forced to accept this situation in our communities and public schools. But to demand a debate about that is considered racist by the very people demanding that American kids subject to vaccinations no questions asked.
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It is nuts, disingenuous, and yes, there should be a public conversation about all of it.[/QUOTE]

So my question stands. What schools are not accepting medical reasons for non-vaccination? I hadnt connected that statement with immigrants...but would they not accept that excuse for them as well?[/QUOTE]

I did write that because it is true. It should be. No child, except in very special circumstances, should be allowed into the public school without vaccination against easily transmitted diseases for which there are reliable, safe vaccinations.

Again, do you approve of people flooding into this country by the tens of thousands who are not vaccinated, some of them already ill with communicable diseases and many others being carriers? If you do not care about that, I can't take you seriously that you have any concern whether anybody is vaccinated.
 
AlbqOwl said:
It is nuts, disingenuous, and yes, there should be a public conversation about all of it.
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So my question stands. What schools are not accepting medical reasons for non-vaccination? I hadnt connected that statement with immigrants...but would they not accept that excuse for them as well?[/QUOTE]

I did write that because it is true. It should be. No child, except in very special circumstances, should be allowed into the public school without vaccination against easily transmitted diseases for which there are reliable, safe vaccinations.

Again, do you approve of people flooding into this country by the tens of thousands who are not vaccinated, some of them already ill with communicable diseases and many others being carriers? If you do not care about that, I can't take you seriously that you have any concern whether anybody is vaccinated.[/QUOTE]

I can’t take you seriously in immigration if you are not a 100% pure native American
 
Lursa said:
So my question stands. What schools are not accepting medical reasons for non-vaccination? I hadnt connected that statement with immigrants...but would they not accept that excuse for them as well?
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AlbqOwl said:
I did write that because it is true. It should be.
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Is it or isnt it?

AlbqOwl said:
No child, except in very special circumstances, should be allowed into the public school without vaccination against easily transmitted diseases for which there are reliable, safe vaccinations.
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Yeah, I was already very clear on that. That's why I asked you to source your statement:
AlbqOwl said:
But now the schools are required to accept all kids with our without vaccinations.
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And your answer still wasnt clear. See the red.

Again, do you approve of people flooding into this country by the tens of thousands who are not vaccinated, some of them already ill with communicable diseases and many others being carriers? If you do not care about that, I can't take you seriously that you have any concern whether anybody is vaccinated.
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I answered this question in the context of the discussion. They arent being allowed to interact with the public. Then I asked you about cost. You didnt answer.
 
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