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The absolute nonsense of reparation

Unequal treatment didn't end with slavery.

The relative starting point was delayed, by slavery - and then growth was slowed, by discrimination.
The result is unequal result that is thought by some to be cultural and/or genetic.

Equal result is not a desirable thing, as it limits the more capable/motivated.
But the playing field was not then and remains still, uneven.

Ideally, the playing field should be even - but at this point so much time has passed that reparations may be necessary to compensate for the injustice of the inequality up to this point.

Then you pay for it. My family didnt hold slaves. We are not paying for something we never did, especially after several of ours died freeing them, via the underground railroad and service in the Union Army. Not only no, but hell no.
 
His entire argument is we got rid of slavery, so case closed.

It would be like bank robbers robbing hundreds of banks, then retiring. Ten years later the police come to arrest them, and they say "We got shot in our last robbery! It hurt! So our debt to society is paid in full!"

One of the worst comparisons I have ever read on this forum.

A more realistic comparison would be the police coming to the great great grandchildren of the bank robbers and arrest them or demand they pay the money back. Something that is entirely illegal in our country.
 
The thread title sums up the proposal perfectly.

For goodness' sake, it's time to move on, folks.
 
What complete and utter nonsense.

Just because you finally freed the slaves does not mean you've paid the bill due them.

What a ridiculous concept.

Except "clinging to the confederate flag " doesn't cost someone else $money$ right?
 
Reparations - that concept has to be put into "perspective". (no one is going to get a bag of money!!!)

I don't expect "anyone" to give me a bag of money!!!

What I do think is if there is to be reparations - then it could be set up to "go back to the system where "Community Colleges is free" and "State University is returned to the Pre-Reagan Era Low Cost" !!! (Reagans policy was designed to limit blacks, poor whites and women from higher education) - I think there should be "universal low cost health care" and I think HUD, should be the financier of Homes that fit into the Median Home Cost Prices and done so, at 3%. I think people who get Section 8 Rental Assistance.. should have that money go toward a down-payment of a "Affordable Hushing" ownership. Invest in 'Home Ownership training to people, low cost skill training for people, and invest in "Civics Education" training for "All of American Society"... as mandatory... to improve the understanding and value of civil and civic society.
Remove all the elements that racism influenced within the Legal System and review the "non violent criminal in prison" and give them usable skill training.

Slavery was an Atrocity beyond any decency of what is Humane and it was a deprivation of "everything" including the dignity and the psychological health of a race of people and it caused and brought and resulted in the death of millions, it left many women with babies where they were disowned by the white men who fathered them, and the damages to the lives of children was devastated to a level of demolishing the hope to dream and build those dreams.

Society would see a mess if people were given "bags of money".. because the financial literacy is something that has never been taught to the general public and certainly not to the black society or the poor white society. We known many would squander that windfall in a very short time, because we have too many people black and white who are caught up in "materialism" and "self measure based on materialism".. It is likely that very little would go into being used for investments that improve individual lives or make positively progressive investments that advance society.

Now, what is an oddity when these things are discussed is the million of poor and dire poor whites, who were themselves misled into supporting segregation and racism and in their support of it, also ensured their own economic disenfranchisement, and many of them are still in this day and time, unaware of how their support resulted to contribute to the 'devaluation of jobs", the "low pay" and ultimate outsourcing of jobs. If people, especially dire poor whites and working poor whites come to learn and realize.. their support of race segregation... is why some jobs are "negatively viewed and under-payed", because they associated those jobs to being considered only as jobs that blacks do... so those jobs suffered from the long history of being Underpaid and Degraded as not respectable"...
The fight for Reparations has to consider these things... because society at this day and time... is suffering from $22 Trillion in debt... which in many ways, demonstrates that the "ill gotten gains" that came from a history of slavery have been squandered by those of white ethnicity who once thrived on the wealth gains from a system of slavery and segregation.
If we want to do something, then "let's go into "every community" and build it up... the long history of tax monies basically being directed to well to do white community, devastated not only black communities, but poor white communities as well... because neither blacks nor poor whites were respected by our system in how tax revenues was invested in society.
When MLK fought for Civil Rights, he Fought FOR EVERYONE, and he made it known that the many of the white people who supported segregation, supported their own levels of ensuring they remained poor, uneducated, and under-educated and many continued from previous generations to the present generations as still being poor whites. Because "when one group tries to deny something to another, it become also denied to them" even as they try and deny that such truth is real.
If we want to do something... then we ensure that "All Children" get the benefits of "free lunch in schools"... the same quality of books and computers in the class rooms.. and we embark on a new method of teaching that meets with the expanded minds of the new generation of children, who's ability to learn and digest information is tenfold what it was decades ago.

Set up A Civic Corp, where all have access to learn and gain skills
 
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Redouble our efforts to 'Prosecute Racism" anywhere its found, and declare "Racist Hate Groups as Terrorist Organization" and prosecute them!

Go to Federal, State and Local "Election Funding" and abolish the "Electoral College".... Set up panels, that anything any Lobbyist Propose, is sent to a panel that is made up of a diverse group of American Average Working Class People... Prosecute ANY Congressional Person who meet with a lobbyist.... and nothing any lobbyist propose get put before Congress that has not passed through the "Group designated to review Lobbyist Proposals".

Redistricting is to be done by a "Average Citizen Make up of Multicultural People".... who make and determine where voting district lines are drawn... Not Politician can have any say in this process.

We then bust up this system of the wealthy "buying their way into congressional seats"... PROSECUTE anyone that give even one dime to a politician for campaigning. !!!!!

Stop the Media from "Pandering to any Politician"... Get back to Reporting The News... not more of round table "book sellers", being a circle of pundits trying to sell books and push their agenda on these "talk a thon's" that have become substituted for what is News.

MANDATE THAT ANYONE OF THE AGE 18 "MUST" VOTE" !!!!! Anyone who does not vote.. cannot renew driver license and will suffer a financial penalty for not voting, any money collected by "not voting" goes directly into the Federal, State and Local Campaign Financing Fund.

Every able bodied child Must attend school... and No more public money to private schools or charter schools... it can only go to "Public Schools"... !!!! Mental Health Care is to be made Available to "All" Americans...

Invest in Federally Funded "Senior Care Facilities" that are "Rent Free" to Senior Citizens over the age of 65, who wants or needs to live in them.

These are among things that Repatriate our society for the vile that was done and the bias and race based bastardizations that was done to our system behind the long history of racism in America...

All these things would be already in place if it had never been a system of racism from the history of slavery and segregation.... These are way to Repatriate Society.

Black people have never asked for or fought for anything "except" The Respect and Dignity of Equality in All Things Within America!!! in the 20th Century LBJ's Great Society made the greatest moves in the 20th Century to promote a system that moves toward "Full Circle" Equality!!!!
 
Making reparations for past wrongs is never sad.

What's sad is when Trump resorts to his tried and true strategy of making racist attacks to energize his base, and they respond like a well trained dog coming to heel.

There is no practical way to make financial reparations for past wrongs.

In the history of mankind there have been so many wrongs done that the complete listing of such wrongs is impossible.

Any effort by way of financial remuneration would be hugely incomplete and selective.
 
IMPROVE how America History is Taught... and "Tell the Full Multi Cultural and Multi Ethnic Truth".... abolish the current books that promote the "White man" as hero... in everything based on the old white nationalist methodology of how American History has been taught.

Distribute Federal Grant Money to "ALL" UNIVERSITIES and not direct it to 'Ivy League Universities" in the volumes of Billions that has been done for Generations.

MANDATE that any Publicly Traded Company... Must have a balanced Diversity of Persons on the Board of Directors, Mandate that every Public Traded Company has a Diverse Executive Make up...

Every Bank must have a Diverse Board of Directors and any Loan Review Panels must be made up of Diverse Ethnic People.

Any Judges that are given Life Appointments, must only be selected by "Popular Vote".... no more "Appointed Judges by Politicians"....


Establish a Minimum Wage that Meets the Basics of Living Standards.... Shelter, Food and the ability to function.... Mandate that any company that has more than 50 employees re-establish Pension Plan, and if it is a 401K.. then there has to be a mandatory 30% Match to funds or if it is no match, that a 25% contribution is made to the Pensions of Employees. Set these Pension Plans up as "Federal Establishments", that a managed by States to ensure that every business that meets the standard of more than 50 employees contribute. If any business tries to skirt the matter, by overworking people by trying to limit their employees to under 50 to avoid this, then they are penalized. Make this mandatory to include Part Time employees to ensure no company tries to skirt the system by only hiring part time employees.

All These thing can serve as being among what is Reparations... it then benefits all of society!!!
 
At the moment, it would appear that you're the one trying to shred it.

"Waah! People can't celebrate slavery and oppression anymore! Waah!"

Guess you'll just have to get over it bud
 
This is a sad thread...really sad.
Slavery was abolished then the same people that were enslaved were prohibited from voting, then given voting rights but prevented from going to certain schools and getting certain jobs.
The hearing yesterday was not about giving anyone anything, it was about whether a discussion should be had about policies that caused the wealth gap.
My lord the disgusting things in this thread are well disgusting.
 
Do you read books, like EVER?

In 1960, the Democratic party was STILL full of southern conservatives who voted against the CRA. That's right.....if you look at the rundown of who voted how, it was all of the Democrats from the states that became staunchly Republican a couple elections later. Coincidence? I think not.

But they were democrats!!!!!!!!!!!!! Denial is not a river in Egypt.
 
Elizabeth Warren thinks reparations will help blacks become more equal with whites financially. But that was already tried -- it was called welfare -- and it helped to keep blacks poor. That is why Bill Clinton reformed welfare.

Other races and ethnic groups that came to the US have been despised, but they went ahead and started successful businesses anyway. Were blacks hated more than Asians and Jews were a while back?

The groups that received the most government help -- blacks and native Americans -- wound up the poorest.

I do not see how reparations could help blacks become more financially equal. Each black person would have to receive an awful lot of money for it to make a real difference. And how would poor whites feel about that? Not good.

If blacks are given a small token amount of money it won't help make them equal.

Welfare is what DESTROYED the black family!!!!!!
 
And remember the democrats are being stupid. The statute of limitations ran our approx 143 years ago.
 
Today the democrats wasted congressional time on reparation. They are pandering to the blacks claiming they are going to give them "free money" for something that happened 150 years ago. Something not involving ANY living person today.

First of all it is totally unlawful, just look it up. But the overridding fact is--------------------that bill was paid iN FULL 150 years ago by both white and black soldiers that fought and died to free the slaves.

In fact while it too would be against the law, how about a congressional hearing for free black people of today paying the relatives of all the soldiers that were killed in the civil war to free the black people from slavery!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some one should bring this idea up to Jackson and Sharpton.

Not all whites owned slaves and those who did are now dead. Requiring Americans to pay damages to blacks just because they are black would be like calling for Americans to pay cops for those murdered by black racists.
 
This gentleman's statement articulates clearly and concisely MY response to this "reparations" nonsense:




IMO if you think a six minute video is too long to watch and listen to, then you have no business discussing issues affecting all Black Americans.



Meh...when you frame it as "reparations nonsense", I think most people can get the gist.
 
Then you pay for it. My family didnt hold slaves. We are not paying for something we never did, especially after several of ours died freeing them, via the underground railroad and service in the Union Army. Not only no, but hell no.
Now that's a different and interesting topic. And related.
 
"Waah! People can't celebrate slavery and oppression anymore! Waah!"

Guess you'll just have to get over it bud

I don't think so.

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”

― George Orwell
 
I don't think so.

Except those who celebrate the Confederacy reacted with violence, tyranny, and out and out treason when they "heard things they didn't want to hear"

This is not a regime to be celebrated in any way, shape or form
 
To be fair, consequences could mean a thousand things besides fining them. Public shaming would be among them.

In this thread we're mainly talking about reparations--money, but if you want to talk about public shaming as a remedy, who's going to determine what a suitable subject is? You might think flying the wrong flag is, while someone else might think outing and shaming a woman who went through an abortion is. So be careful what you wish for.
 
Keep in mind reparations are against the law.
 
Except those who celebrate the Confederacy reacted with violence, tyranny, and out and out treason when they "heard things they didn't want to hear"

This is not a regime to be celebrated in any way, shape or form

We have criminal laws to deal with criminals. Flying a flag isn't a crime. But, if you want to publicly shame Jefferson Davis or Robert E. Lee, knock yourself out. I don't think they'd mind. :2wave:
 
We have criminal laws to deal with criminals. Flying a flag isn't a crime.

If people want to cling to the symbols of domestic terrorists and literal traitors, they can also pay the consequences of that decision.

If they actually want to "leave the past in the past" like they claim, well......then there's a whole lot of symbols of treason and slavery that need to come down.

Can't have it both ways.
 
If people want to cling to the symbols of domestic terrorists and literal traitors, they can also pay the consequences of that decision.

If they actually want to "leave the past in the past" like they claim, well......then there's a whole lot of symbols of treason and slavery that need to come down.

Can't have it both ways.

Likewise, you can either tolerate unpopular points of view as the price of living in a free society like ours, or you can live under some form of authoritarian tyranny like most of the rest of humanity. Can't have it both ways.
 
Perspective Matter... when talking about "Reparations"... It is not a one dimensional thing... and it will not come at the expense of one group over another.... 'we've all seen the long history of damages that concept has created..... We can't change the past... but we can make the future better... "for all" !!!

It has to be a design model... that will help "All" people. anyone should understand that, by the variations of chatter, even in this website... thus so.. people have to think 'broad' and what can benefit "All Society" because history to what exist today... is "damages that have impacted blacks and poor whites" over many centuries and decades... So.. it has to be looked at constructive... in how to lift "everyone" and make a level paying field for everyone, in this 21st Century.
 
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