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The absolute nonsense of reparation

Logical1 said:
What about the democrats that voted against the Civil rights act and the voting rights act. That wasnt 150 years ago.
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Do you read books, like EVER?

In 1960, the Democratic party was STILL full of southern conservatives who voted against the CRA. That's right.....if you look at the rundown of who voted how, it was all of the Democrats from the states that became staunchly Republican a couple elections later. Coincidence? I think not.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Since conservatives want to cling to the confederate flag, bringing up reparations is absolutely valid. You can't screech "let the past go!" while clinging to a blindingly obvious symbol of great evil from the past.
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And I will add to that they can't keep trying to disenfranchise African Americans while pretending discrimination has 'ended'.

While descendants of slaves remain disadvantaged by both the the status of their ancestors and the lingering marginalization of the present, they should be heard.
 
Logical1 said:
What about the democrats that voted against the Civil rights act and the voting rights act. That wasnt 150 years ago.
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No it was 50 years ago and they're dead. Many of them turned Republican first and many of their ilk still linger in the GOP trying to deny black people the vote.
 
JustHanging said:
What complete and utter nonsense.

Just because you finally freed the slaves does not mean you've paid the bill due them.

What a ridiculous concept.
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Are you speaking for MY country or yours?
 
uptower said:
No it was 50 years ago and they're dead. Many of them turned Republican first and many of their ilk still linger in the GOP trying to deny black people the vote.
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Why do you need to lie?
 
uptower said:
And I will add to that they can't keep trying to disenfranchise African Americans while pretending discrimination has 'ended'.

While descendants of slaves remain disadvantaged by both the the status of their ancestors and the lingering marginalization of the present, they should be heard.
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Well, they can at least get a job now, thanks to Trump. And hey, check out my new sig!
 
bullseyelqcs said:
Do you read books, like EVER?

In 1960, the Democratic party was STILL full of southern conservatives who voted against the CRA. That's right.....if you look at the rundown of who voted how, it was all of the Democrats from the states that became staunchly Republican a couple elections later. Coincidence? I think not.
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But they were democrats and voted with democrats in Congress. If it quack like a duck------------------------
 
Logical1 said:
Today the democrats wasted congressional time on reparation. They are pandering to the blacks claiming they are going to give them "free money" for something that happened 150 years ago. Something not involving ANY living person today.

First of all it is totally unlawful, just look it up. But the overridding fact is--------------------that bill was paid iN FULL 150 years ago by both white and black soldiers that fought and died to free the slaves.

In fact while it too would be against the law, how about a congressional hearing for free black people of today paying the relatives of all the soldiers that were killed in the civil war to free the black people from slavery!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some one should bring this idea up to Jackson and Sharpton.
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This is Democrats doing their best to lose the next election. Democrats need to focus on getting this corrupt president out of office instead of making controversial proposals.
 
Logical1 said:
But they were democrats and voted with democrats in Congress. If it quack like a duck------------------------
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We need to establish a couple of things if this conversation is going to proceed honestly.

First, that there is a difference between a persons political party and a persons political ideology.

Second...that because that fact exists, blaming a party for any decision without recognizing the ideology that drove that decision is dishonest at best.

In your example....they walked and quacked like conservatives. It doesn't matter what you call them party wise. The only thing that remains consistent is that they were conservatives. Or are you going to continue to deny that over time, conservatives went from voting Democrat to voting Republican? Todays political parties would prove you wrong on that, which proves my point entirely.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The actions of the Confederacy continue to have ripples even to this day.

If you are going to fly the flag of a treasonous and evil regime, you should face consequences for that.
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Fining or penalizing someone in any way for exercising his constitutional right of free speech is, um, unconstitutional.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Since conservatives want to cling to the confederate flag, bringing up reparations is absolutely valid. You can't screech "let the past go!" while clinging to a blindingly obvious symbol of great evil from the past.
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Well, you can bring it up all you want, but, as I said, you can't fine people for flying a flag. It's unconstitutional.
 
Ahlevah said:
Well, you can bring it up all you want, but, as I said, you can't fine people for flying a flag. It's unconstitutional.
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To be fair, consequences could mean a thousand things besides fining them. Public shaming would be among them.
 
Ahlevah said:
Fining or penalizing someone in any way for exercising his constitutional right of free speech is, um, unconstitutional.
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Ahlevah said:
Well, you can bring it up all you want, but, as I said, you can't fine people for flying a flag. It's unconstitutional.
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Always amusing watching defenders of those who tried to shred the constitution desperately attempt to hide behind it
 
trixare4kids said:
Why do you need to lie?
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It's not a lie. It has been demonstrated in multiple communications that the GOP wants minorities to vote less or not at all, and that it's techniques such as gerrymandering, suppression, ID laws and now this census question nonsense. In many cases it's emails and memos and voice recordings stating that very intention. All of these are demonstrably designed to deny people of color the vote. The modern GOP are today's Dixiecrats.

‘They Don’t Really Want Us to Vote’: How Republicans Made It Harder - The New York Times
 
JustHanging said:
Making reparations for past wrongs is never sad.

What's sad is when Trump resorts to his tried and true strategy of making racist attacks to energize his base, and they respond like a well trained dog coming to heel.
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Conflating your partisan disgust for Trump with slavery reparations is as logical as a demand by KKK member descendants demanding clean white sheets from our welfare system. "With or without eye holes and cone heads, that is the question?"
 
Grandpappy said:
Ahh, you again. Tell me, why was Trudeau stupid enough to award a damn terrorist 10.5 million dollars? Does he know where that money is likely going? Want an example of incompetence? His name is Trudeau.
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Uh, what does Trudeau have to do with congressional hearings about reparations to former dead slaves? Isn't he busy giving sovereignty back to First Nations?
 
Elizabeth Warren thinks reparations will help blacks become more equal with whites financially. But that was already tried -- it was called welfare -- and it helped to keep blacks poor. That is why Bill Clinton reformed welfare.

Other races and ethnic groups that came to the US have been despised, but they went ahead and started successful businesses anyway. Were blacks hated more than Asians and Jews were a while back?

The groups that received the most government help -- blacks and native Americans -- wound up the poorest.

I do not see how reparations could help blacks become more financially equal. Each black person would have to receive an awful lot of money for it to make a real difference. And how would poor whites feel about that? Not good.

If blacks are given a small token amount of money it won't help make them equal.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
Sure thing......lets completely ignore the Alex Jones' and the Donald Trumps of the world, right?

Come on man....don't you want to have at least a shred of credibility?
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Sounds like a plan. Without an audience where will they be?
 
OldFatGuy said:
Uh, what does Trudeau have to do with congressional hearings about reparations to former dead slaves? Isn't he busy giving sovereignty back to First Nations?
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So you're a Canadian, huh? Or "Eh?" .Sorry. ;)
 
Tigerace117 said:
Always amusing watching defenders of those who tried to shred the constitution desperately attempt to hide behind it
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At the moment, it would appear that you're the one trying to shred it.
 
Logical1 said:
Today the democrats wasted congressional time on reparation. They are pandering to the blacks claiming they are going to give them "free money" for something that happened 150 years ago. Something not involving ANY living person today.

First of all it is totally unlawful, just look it up. But the overridding fact is--------------------that bill was paid iN FULL 150 years ago by both white and black soldiers that fought and died to free the slaves.

In fact while it too would be against the law, how about a congressional hearing for free black people of today paying the relatives of all the soldiers that were killed in the civil war to free the black people from slavery!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some one should bring this idea up to Jackson and Sharpton.
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Unequal treatment didn't end with slavery.

The relative starting point was delayed, by slavery - and then growth was slowed, by discrimination.
The result is unequal result that is thought by some to be cultural and/or genetic.

Equal result is not a desirable thing, as it limits the more capable/motivated.
But the playing field was not then and remains still, uneven.

Ideally, the playing field should be even - but at this point so much time has passed that reparations may be necessary to compensate for the injustice of the inequality up to this point.
 
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