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AO-C compares concentration camps in the Holocaust with migrant detention centers

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez compares migrant detention facilities to concentration camps - CNNPolitics

It seems to me that she needs to take a trip to see the Holocaust sites and learn more about what actually took place there. Then, she should get off her butt and go to the boarder and see if there is any resemblance to those Holocaust camps and the detention centers at the boarder. See if we are gassing to death or shooting to death masses of people. Then, she should be required to take a college class in Holocaust history by a reliable college in the study of WW2 history. Then, she should go find a job waitressing tables and leave the governing of the country to sane Republicans.
Actually it seems you need to check out facts.

Concentration camps = Detention camps of "undesirables". In the UK it was the Boer peoples, in the US it was native Americans or supposed terrorists and in Nazi Germany it started out as camps for enemies of the regime..socialists, gays, gypsies and later on Jews and slavs.

Death/extermination camps are when the above become organized industrial murdering machines.

In other words she is yet again correct.

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Someday, a city will require only certain types of transportation within it's limits and someone will be crying because they have to leave their low tech vehicles in a parking lot outside the city. In the past, someone was crying when whale oil wasn't needed like it once was. The Amish shun cars, but high tech horseshoes that destroy asphalt are fine.

Go ahead and carry your concealed weapon in the places you can and maybe someday you'll figure out a fight can easily become a life and death situation, because you have carried a gun into a situation beyond your control. There is no guarantee the person carrying the gun will be the person who uses the gun. If someone has a gun in a school, how hard would it be for a kid to take that gun away from an adult? A baseball bat in ambush would do that and is impossible to defend against it.

Oh, sure, you're so big and bad that nothing like that can ever happen to you, but the problem is there is always someone bigger or things can happen well beyond your capacity to manage it properly. If you don't recognize the danger to yourself with carrying a weapon, concealed or not, then you haven't thought the issue of gun safety thru. It should also be obvious, there are people who aren't mentally stable enough to have a gun.

If you're so paranoid about illegals, keep your damned guns, who cares? I remember a man, a close friend of my family, who thought it was perfectly safe to keep a loaded pistol on his refrigerator to protect his business, because he taught his sons not to touch it. That didn't stop a neighbor kid from blowing one of his sons brains out, because he found it with a chair and thought it was a toy. That man's whole life fell apart, he was divorced, started drinking and when he died young, I often wondered if he stepped in front of that semi truck intentionally. He spent the rest of his life after his son's death in hell.

The pictures I've seen of immigrants don't look threatening to me and even if they did, I wouldn't want guns around me. I have too many young members of my family and I remember how guns fascinated me as a child. Not having guns is my guarantee that someone like my grandson will never find one on my property. I'm not concerned about immigrants.
Like this one?
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This is a 16-year old MS-13 gang member who killed another 16-year old girl to revenge her boyfriend's brutal killing. She lured her victim into woods, along with a handful of other "sparks of divinity", told her to strip, looked her in the eye and told her why she was going to stab her to death and plunged a knife into her body over 100 times.
As others looked on, beat the victim and recorded it.
Not scary?
This is what MS-13 does where I live.
More recently, repeat scenario. Except the girls were 14-year olds. That one was on the heels of a 16-year old boy found stabbed over 100 times, beat and his hands cut off. Oh, I lied. Just one hand cut off. The other was hanging on by some skin.

Wake. Up.
 
Good for them, that doesn't change the fact that AoC makes some incredibly ignorant comments at times. Even you have to admit the whole Google debacle and her quote about spending the 3 billion elsewhere was moronic.

No. She really doesn't make ignorant statements. Just because you, some guy who misspells common words think they're ignorant doesn't mean someone who has a college degree on economics and international relations from an elite private school is ignorant.
 
Lawless people break laws and Don "the Mensa" tRump spent his whole life living lawlessly. tRump obviously lacks any political core beliefs and that's why no political ideology fits him. He's in politics for himself.

I don't care if you think our word internationally should mean nothing and if you think this country is full. I really don't give a damn if you and tRump want to embrace dictators and alienate our allies. You're already on your way out, so why should I care? Your legacy will become a faded memory of just how stupid things can get.

Driveling partians hacking coughs only serve to preach to the choir and enrage the opposition to actions which become self defeatist burnout for the loud and vocal partisans. The Don has turned himself into the great white whale for the democrats. We all know how that story worked out. :lamo
 
BS. Simple and plain. She has the understanding of an idealistic, spoiled princess of the upper middle class, a dilettante who can dance and knows nothing better than how to write an essay, pass a test, and assume she has wisdom because she can read. Just another wannabe R&R star on twitter.

It was fascinating watching her learn how to use a screw driver, lefty tighty, righty loosely, or was it lefty loosely, righty tighty? So confusing.

It means AOC extensively studied and graduated at the near top of her class at an elite university on a breadth of subjects that involve international law, economics, and history. But oh boy, I guess all of that is invalidated because AOC got real awkward with a screwdriver.

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I must of been born with a super intellect

Anyone who's dealt with you for a minute knows that this is definitely not the case.


i guess, because it do not require to graduate cum laude from Boston college to know what apparently neither you or her dont know; the difference between our immigration detention centers and nazi concentration camps.

That's not what AOC said. She claimed that the concentration camps at the border are concentration camps. Which they are, because that's the definition of concentration camps. You're not gonna get bonus points for being marginally better than Nazi concentration camps.

But in the spirit of fairness,

You and your ilk who support concentration camps don't have fairness in mind. I know full well you never plan to argue in good faith. If you had any sense of good faith, I wouldn't need to spell out the definition of concentration camps to you.
 
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Blah Blah F***in Blah. If Liberals are so ignorant that they don't equate the term concentration camps to Nazi Germany then they are either liars or just ignorant. Funny how fast they can equate Nazi's to every little thing they can think of when it comes to Trump but when they use terms like concentration camps and get called out, you feel the need to host some babble about not all concentrations camps are Nazi camps? They show new levels of stupidity.

Possibly every person alive when they hear the term "Concentration camp", immediately and automatically think of the images of the Nazi 'concentration camps' where millions of Jews were imprisoned and met their deaths. But the term 'concentration camp' is one that predates both Hitler and Communism. The Nazi concentration camps are more accurately described as Death Camps.

The Holocaust Museum defines the Nazi camps:

"The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy."


Joseph Stalin had 'gulags' which were forced labor camps. Stalin's gulags incarcerated about 18 million people throughout their history, operated from the 1920s until shortly after Stalin’s death in 1953. I know this because my father in law was in one of the Siberian gulags and escaped.

The numbers of N. Koreans that Kim Jong-Un has interned in N. Korea are estimated to be between 100,000 to 150,000.
From Wiki: [snip] Conditions inside North Korean prison camps are unsanitary and life-threatening. Prisoners are subject to torture and inhumane treatment. Public and secret executions of prisoners, even children, especially in cases of attempted escape, are commonplace. Infanticides (and infant killings upon birth) also often occur. The mortality rate is very high, because many prisoners die of starvation, illnesses, work accidents, or torture. Many other former prisoners gave detailed and consistent testimonies on the human rights crimes in North Korean prison camps.According to the testimony of former camp guard Ahn Myong Chol of Camp 22, the guards are trained to treat the detainees as sub-human. He gave an account of children in one camp who were fighting over corn retrieved from cow dung.[/snip]

Webster's New World Fourth College Edition defines a concentration camp as, "A prison camp in which political dissidents, members of minority ethnic groups, etc. are confined."

The Oxford English Dictionary supports Webster's definition and explanation as well. The Oxford English Dictionary defines a concentration camp as, "a camp where non-combatants of a district are accommodated, such as those instituted by Lord Kitchener during the Boer War (1899–1902); one for the internment of political prisoners, foreign nationals, etc., esp. as organized by the Nazi regime in Germany before and during the war of 1939–45."

Nazis put Jews, and millions of non-Jews, into about 20,000 camps during the war. According to the Holocaust Museum, these camps ranged from forced-labor camps where internees worked as slave labor, transit camps that served as holding pins before sending people off to Auschwitz and other places, and extermination camps, or death camps, built primarily for mass murder. Today, we often identify the phrase "concentration camp" with the latter, though the museum itself has a broader definition, and one that may be clearer than either of the dictionary ones.

It doesn't matter what terminology is used for Trump's camps. Call them 'detainment camps', 'internment centers', 'gulags', 'concentration camps' or 'immigrant detention center' or whatever new name you want to create for them, it's only semantics. It doesn't change what they actually are. It means that men, women, children, old, young, newborn or unborn are being held en masse in places where they are not free to leave, kept against their will and where they are vulnerable and highly susceptible to mistreatment, physical or sexual abuse, diseases and even death.
 
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Ah the boo hoo capitalism is mean nonsense.

Again, as if history doesn't exist and working class people aren't paying higher percentages and sometimes higher amounts of taxes than the ultra rich? Boo hoo yourself when it's changed and it will be changed. Any system man designs can run amuck and capitalism doesn't have to be designed to only benefit the ultra rich. The Libertarian hair brain ideas will never catch on in America, it will always be a minority ideology. Giving more money to the ultra rich doesn't increase investment in America. Destroyed markets don't magically reappear once policies that destroyed them are changed. Normal Americans are weary of extremes and they don't fall for the crap that they are socialists because they don't support the extreme right, who are on their way out. Boo hoo is your personification, not mine. What percentage of tRump assets are in the US? Having your name on tRump Tower and selling off the floor space doesn't make it an asset. Is a golf course that loses money an asset? Watch what happens when tRump's true financial history becomes public and his phony ways are shown! Speaking of immigrants, his whole family history in America is a net negative. With that many skeletons in the closet, drawing attention to yourself is a stupid thing to do.
 
You are ignorant of US history. Read a book once in a while.

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Japanese Americans are imprisoned at Santa Anita, California, internment camp, 1942.

Actor and activist George Takei was a guest of the US government in one for three years.

Reread his post. He is mocking the folks crying to have statues and portraits taken down because of the past...
 
Yet she proves it on an almost daily basis.



No. She really doesn't make ignorant statements. Just because you, some guy who misspells common words think they're ignorant doesn't mean someone who has a college degree on economics and international relations from an elite private school is ignorant.
 
Anyone who's dealt with you for a minute knows that this is definitely not the case.




That's not what AOC said. She claimed that the concentration camps at the border are concentration camps. Which they are, because that's the definition of concentration camps. You're not gonna get bonus points for being marginally better than Nazi concentration camps.



You and your elk who support concentration camps don't have fairness in mind. I know full well you never plan to argue in good faith. If you had any sense of good faith, I wouldn't need to spell out the definition of concentration camps to you.

Why do elk support concentration camps? How many elk does he have?
 
I think by definition they can be called concentration camps.

concentration camp noun
Definition of concentration camp
a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard —used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners

Internment camp is the more PC title though. The issue with term concentration camp is that it is closely associated with the Nazi regime and the Holocaust, and thus it becomes an emotionally charged term. The use of the term "concentration camp" can indeed be used without intent or reference to the Nazi's death camps or their systematic genocide. But even if used correctly, it will be used as political fodder and people will claim that it is being used in that way.

They are, by definition, concentration camps, but we'll never really generate a productive dialog on how to deal with the problem and stop their usage by using the term. Then again, I can't really see the Republocrats dealing with any problem.
 
Lost in the whole pedantic discussion about concentration camp vs. death camp (CNN had someone reading from a dictionary) is the fact that AOC used the term "never again" which was clearly a reference to WWII Nazi death camps. Its actually a sign posted at Dachau. She's a nut job.


I think by definition they can be called concentration camps.

concentration camp noun
Definition of concentration camp
a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard —used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners

Internment camp is the more PC title though. The issue with term concentration camp is that it is closely associated with the Nazi regime and the Holocaust, and thus it becomes an emotionally charged term. The use of the term "concentration camp" can indeed be used without intent or reference to the Nazi's death camps or their systematic genocide. But even if used correctly, it will be used as political fodder and people will claim that it is being used in that way.

They are, by definition, concentration camps, but we'll never really generate a productive dialog on how to deal with the problem and stop their usage by using the term. Then again, I can't really see the Republocrats dealing with any problem.
 
Possibly every person alive when they hear the term "Concentration camp", immediately and automatically think of the images of the Nazi 'concentration camps' where millions of Jews were imprisoned and met their deaths. But the term 'concentration camp' is one that predates both Hitler and Communism. The Nazi concentration camps are more accurately described as Death Camps.



That was the point I made. Trump (and other presidents) get linked to Hitler just because people don't like them. AOC comes out and states or border patrol operation centers are concentration camps and you get a few thousand pages trying to dismiss her statement of concentration camp other than Nazi camps. Funny how that works.
 
The term 'concentration camp' is most strongly associated with the hundreds of camps established by Nazi Germany. The true definition of concentration camp is:

"A place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities."

AOC is 100% correct.

She's an idiot, grade A idiot.
 
No. She really doesn't make ignorant statements. Just because you, some guy who misspells common words think they're ignorant doesn't mean someone who has a college degree on economics and international relations from an elite private school is ignorant.

It isn't just me, you had bipartisan support that thought she was a complete airhead when she made those comments.

So are you saying that costing the state of New York nearly 30 billion in tax revenue was a good idea?

If you were running a business and had decided not to create 30k in coupons, would you then spend the 30k you "saved" elsewhere? Or would you think that is rather preposterous?
 
Anyone who's dealt with you for a minute knows that this is definitely not the case.




That's not what AOC said. She claimed that the concentration camps at the border are concentration camps. Which they are, because that's the definition of concentration camps. You're not gonna get bonus points for being marginally better than Nazi concentration camps.



You and your ilk who support concentration camps don't have fairness in mind. I know full well you never plan to argue in good faith. If you had any sense of good faith, I wouldn't need to spell out the definition of concentration camps to you.
Your response is predictable and laughable considering it coming from the people that have made it an obsession to read past the litteral definition of eords snd read more into them.

People associate the term concentration camps with the nazis. If i had compared obama to a monkey you and her would be all about accusing me of being racist. That knife cuts both ways.

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It means AOC extensively studied and graduated at the near top of her class at an elite university on a breadth of subjects that involve international law, economics, and history. But oh boy, I guess all of that is invalidated because AOC got real awkward with a screwdriver.

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Yup, an elite spoiled girl graduated from an elite school and is now telling America how best to behave, but can she tie her shoelaces when chewing gum?

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No. She really doesn't make ignorant statements. Just because you, some guy who misspells common words think they're ignorant doesn't mean someone who has a college degree on economics and international relations from an elite private school is ignorant.

In this case, you're right. She didn't make an ignorant statement. She made a totally ****ing moronic statement. She dimenishes the horrors of the Nazi concentration camps with her completely stupid, ****ing braindead comment. She's a waste of oxygen.

As far as her college credentials go, she proves that education and intelligence aren't synonymous.
 
Only to those who lack wisdom.

From Merriam-Webster:

Definition of concentration camp

a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard...


Yeah, how unwise to use a dictionary. How unwise! :lamo



Renae, on a side note, do you think Trump has a good understanding of his base?

Trump: "I love the poorly educated!"
 
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From Merriam-Webster:

Definition of concentration camp

a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard...


Yeah, how unwise to use a dictionary. How unwise! :lamo



Renae, on a side note, do you think Trump has a good understanding of his base?

Trump: "I love the poorly educated!"

You both wanna follow that twit, go for it.

Again, the real problem here is why are those people in that situation?
OH, they volunteered to be put in "CONCENTRATION CAMPS" by ya know, breaking our laws. The should be rounded up and put on buses back to where they came from, don't care if that's Mexico, Guatemala or Poland. Go back and apply the right way. And don't give me the Asylum bull**** either I don't buy it.
 
Lost in the whole pedantic discussion about concentration camp vs. death camp (CNN had someone reading from a dictionary) is the fact that AOC used the term "never again" which was clearly a reference to WWII Nazi death camps. Its actually a sign posted at Dachau. She's a nut job.

It means, Yom Hoshoa in Hebrew. Jews in the US and all over the world place this day as one of the most important in their history. Congregations all over the world gather together to remember the fallen, and it's a huge deal to them, even bigger than most of the holidays and festivals in Judaism. Let's see if we're keeping track of how many people the dimwits are pissing off entering the primaries. Blacks and browns - Check, Jews - Check, White men - Check, Christians - Check, pro-life women - Check, blue collar deplorables - Checkity check check..

And these dimwits running for the dimwit prize to run against Trump are not even close to being done.

And of course, the "Polls" tell us that Trump couldn't beat the top three dimwits.. Now, ask yourself, do you really believe that? ;)


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