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No, Robert Mueller never said "there was no collusion"

Mueller couldn't charge or indict the president, citing DOJ Policy.

These are Mueller's words. Our president is a criminal, you know it, I know it.

But you guys desperately keep trying to carry water for him and hope we're dumb enough to buy your b.s.

trump sycophants are fooling no one.

An accusation is not a finding of guilt. An indictment is not a finding of guilt. The Mueller report is not a finding of guilt. At some point you guys REALLY need to get past this "guilty until proved innocent" thing.
 
Mueller couldn't charge or indict the president, citing DOJ Policy.

These are Mueller's words. Our president is a criminal, you know it, I know it.

But you guys desperately keep trying to carry water for him and hope we're dumb enough to buy your b.s.

trump sycophants are fooling no one.

Once AGAIN, you miss all the points.

Let me reiterate.

1. Prosecutors do not exonerate. If they don't charge and successfully convict you, then you are presumed innocent.

2. Mueller had the authority to state that he found probable cause in any one or all of the alleged "crimes."

3. The fact it is DOJ policy not to indict a sitting President would not stop him from making the declarations in point #2 above.

4. In fact, much like his weasely speech attempted to imply, Congress has it own powers under the Impeachment process. Therefore, he could have declared probable cause, cited his inability to act per that DOJ policy, but recommended Congress take action via Impeachment. Impeachment allows Congress to act on any such declarations of probable cause by appointing an Independent Counsel. 28 U.S. Code § 595.Congressional oversight. 28 U.S. Code SS 595 - Congressional oversight | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

5. Presumption of innocence is the standard. There is no presumption of guilt in U.S. jurisprudence except when an existing conviction is being appealed.
 
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An accusation is not a finding of guilt. An indictment is not a finding of guilt. The Mueller report is not a finding of guilt. At some point you guys REALLY need to get past this "guilty until proved innocent" thing.

Yeah, like you guys haven't given the Clintons or Obama the same treatment over the past few decades.

Only in this case, trump admitted in front of the whole world last week he'd collude with a foreign power and not call the FBI.

How much more evidence do you guys need?
 
Once AGAIN, you miss all the points.

Let me reiterate.

1. Prosecutors do not exonerate. If they don't charge and successfully convict you, then you are presumed innocent.

2. Mueller had the authority to state that he found probable cause in any one or all of the alleged "crimes."

3. The fact it is DOJ policy not to indict a sitting President would not stop him from making the declarations in point #2 above.

4. In fact, much like his weasely speech attempted to imply, Congress has it own powers under the Impeachment process. Therefore, he could have declared probable cause, cited his inability to act per that DOJ policy, but recommended Congress take action via Impeachment. Impeachment allows Congress to act on any such declarations of probable cause by appointing an Independent Counsel. 28 U.S. Code § 595.Congressional oversight. 28 U.S. Code SS 595 - Congressional oversight | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

5. Presumption of innocence is the standard. There is no presumption of guilt in U.S. jurisprudence except when an existing conviction is being appealed.

You're probably the only conservative that gave the Clintons the same "innocent before proven guilty" treatment and you weren't one of the no-necked monsters shouting "lock her up" at trump rallies. So, good for you, my friend!
 
Just to be clear, there is no federal crime known as 'collusion'. The word is being used as a catch-all term for illegal acts such as conspiracy, espionage, campaign finance violations, bribery, or fraud. There is no federal law making collusion a crime.

While “collusion” has proven to be a useful word for journalists, the general public and social media, it also serves as a useful straw man for defenders of Trump who argue that collusion is not a crime and that the Trump campaign’s activities did not constitute collusion, so there’s no reason for further investigation.

However, the fact that there’s no law prohibiting “collusion” doesn’t mean there’s no statute prohibiting some of the specific activities that the Trump campaign engaged in, or may have engaged in. Federal law prohibits candidates from cooperating or consulting with a foreign national who is spending money to influence a U.S. election. Federal law bars the solicitation or receipt of a contribution from a foreign national. These “coordinated expenditures” are treated as contributions under campaign finance law and thus run afoul of the law’s ban on contributions from foreign nationals in U.S. elections. Federal law prohibits two or more persons from conspiring to commit a crime—an offense known as “criminal conspiracy.”

Not sure what this has to do with the Trump campaign.
The Clinton campaign is the campaign that employed foreigners and received information from other foreigners.
 
Mueller couldn't charge or indict the president, citing DOJ Policy.

These are Mueller's words. Our president is a criminal, you know it, I know it.

But you guys desperately keep trying to carry water for him and hope we're dumb enough to buy your b.s.

trump sycophants are fooling no one.

And Barr said he could have.
 
Not sure what this has to do with the Trump campaign.
The Clinton campaign is the campaign that employed foreigners and received information from other foreigners.

Yeah? Who, where, what happened?
 
Colluding with Russia to fix the election necessarily involves a criminal conspiracy. Mueller found no such conspiracy. Therefore, there can be no collusion with Russia by the Trump campaign to fix the election. The left can talk themselves into a knot all they want but Mueller put the death blow to the collusion narrative except among those either unwilling to face the truth or very willing to simply lie and think nobody will notice.
 
Yeah? Who, where, what happened?

Oh, I am sure you have heard of the Steele Dossier, put together by a UK national and comprised of information from Russian nationals and all paid for by the Democrats. Last I heard, they would constitute foregners.

Naturally, despite all the claims and beliefs to the contrary, the Trump campaign never received information from Russia.
 
Oh, I am sure you have heard of the Steele Dossier, put together by a UK national and comprised of information from Russian nationals and all paid for by the Democrats. Last I heard, they would constitute foregners.

Naturally, despite all the claims and beliefs to the contrary, the Trump campaign never received information from Russia.

Only about a kabillion zillion times, yes. (boring) How many democrats were indicted and locked up in jail? I forgot already.
 
Yes, because William Barr is the epitome of an unbiased source :roll:

Get real, my friend.

Barr is the Attorney General and was Mueller's supervisor. He can just, you know, change the policy.
 
Only about a kabillion zillion times, yes. (boring) How many democrats were indicted and locked up in jail? I forgot already.

Yes. It wrecks the narrative.
 
LOL! Collusion was established by the Mueller report and it's clearly impeachable

Yet all evidence to the contrary:

Mueller Report quote:

Collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons the offices focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law.

In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy, not the concept of collusion.

The investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian Government in its election interference activities


Sounds like your mad at Mueller.
 
Just to be clear, there is no federal crime known as 'collusion'. The word is being used as a catch-all term for illegal acts such as conspiracy, espionage, campaign finance violations, bribery, or fraud. There is no federal law making collusion a crime.

While “collusion” has proven to be a useful word for journalists, the general public and social media, it also serves as a useful straw man for defenders of Trump who argue that collusion is not a crime and that the Trump campaign’s activities did not constitute collusion, so there’s no reason for further investigation.

Agreed

Federal law bars the solicitation or receipt of a contribution from a foreign national. These “coordinated expenditures” are treated as contributions under campaign finance law and thus run afoul of the law’s ban on contributions from foreign nationals in U.S. elections.

That's why candidates pay organizations to provide dirt on candidates from foreign nationals as a legal recourse and why the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian Government in its election interference activities.
 
The universe of things Mueller didn't say is rather large. He didn't say I'm not the Duke of Franklin County. Should I assume I am?
 
Yet all evidence to the contrary:

Mueller Report quote:

Collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons the offices focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law.

In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy, not the concept of collusion.

The investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian Government in its election interference activities


Sounds like your mad at Mueller.

Utterly irrelevant to the fact that collusions was demonstrated and established.

You haven't read the report, you fear doing so, so I don't expect you to understand that simple fact.
 
You think that's "nitpicking?" That's a core fact of Mueller's report that Trump lied to you about. You don't care!

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Utterly irrelevant to the fact that collusions was demonstrated and established.

You haven't read the report, you fear doing so, so I don't expect you to understand that simple fact.

Usually people don't read through trial transcripts hoping to achieve a different verdict and most likely why only 3% have read it at all. I would guess that 90% of that 3% are Liberals hoping to revive their hopes and dreams of 3 years of squalling about Trump being a Russian agent, Trump and his family will be going to prison, and Trump will be removed from office in chains.

So all your dreams were shattered while CNN viewership tanks to the point of being the lowest viewed cable news network all because nothing you guys promised happened.

So heres the update.
Mueller works for AG Barr and the DOJ
AG Barr and the DOJ have provided their report to Congress
No collusion, No Obstruction

Democrats will never even attempt to Impeach Trump
Nadler will never see Trumps tax returns

And when you trot out an 80 year old convicted felon from the Nixon Watergate scandals as your lead off witness, the whole world knows how desperate Liberals have become. What a joke

And the best advice I can give you, When your own prosecutor (Mueller) who knows more about the Mueller report than anyone else on the planet refuses to testify to his own findings in his 488 pages of accusations without a single criminal recommendation, its time to find another reason to be outraged cuz this one is dead.
 
Usually people don't read through trial transcripts hoping to achieve a different verdict and most likely why only 3% have read it at all. I would guess that 90% of that 3% are Liberals hoping to revive their hopes and dreams of 3 years of squalling about Trump being a Russian agent, Trump and his family will be going to prison, and Trump will be removed from office in chains.

So all your dreams were shattered while CNN viewership tanks to the point of being the lowest viewed cable news network all because nothing you guys promised happened.

So heres the update.
Mueller works for AG Barr and the DOJ
AG Barr and the DOJ have provided their report to Congress
No collusion, No Obstruction

Democrats will never even attempt to Impeach Trump
Nadler will never see Trumps tax returns

And when you trot out an 80 year old convicted felon from the Nixon Watergate scandals as your lead off witness, the whole world knows how desperate Liberals have become. What a joke

And the best advice I can give you, When your own prosecutor (Mueller) who knows more about the Mueller report than anyone else on the planet refuses to testify to his own findings in his 488 pages of accusations without a single criminal recommendation, its time to find another reason to be outraged cuz this one is dead.

LOL! You haven't read the report, by your own admission.

It establishes and demonstrates collusion, no matter how much that upsets you.
 
LOL! You haven't read the report, by your own admission.

It establishes and demonstrates collusion, no matter how much that upsets you.

I read the entire report but Its obviously clear you didn't. If you are having this much trouble in comprehending my short statements, there is no way you could read or even understand a 488 page official comprehensive report.

At this late date, most people with a comprehension level of a high school 9th grader knows by now collusion isn't a crime and how the report addressed it. I even gave you Muellers actual quotes and you couldn't even manage to understand those and you expect anyone to believe you read Muellers report?

Good luck with that.
 
Read it? I quoted it.
You did, but what you quoted proved what I said correct and what you said incorrect. So obviously you just wrote a sentence and didn't read the context surrounding it.

So, as I said, you should read.

How you get all that from (Not the concept of collusion) is beyond my understanding. According to Mueller, he did not apply the concept of Collusion.
That's exactly what I am saying. Mueller investigated conspiracy, not collusion. Which means that Mueller did not say "no collusion", which was the original topic of conversation. Mueller said he could not establish a crime of conspiracy, but, as I said, conspiracy is NOT the same thing as collusion, though it can fall under the umbrella of collusion.

You also posted Conspiracy =/= collusion Doesn't really gel with what you are saying now
No, it 100% is exactly what I am saying now.

Conspiracy and collusion are not interchangeable. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and address this like you really don't understand.

Think of soda. There are many different kinds of soda (Mountain Dew, Pepsi, Coke, Dr. Pepper, etc.). But all of those drinks are soda.

Now, let's apply that to this discussion. Collusion is "soda". Conspiracy is "Mountain Dew". Bribery could be "Pepsi". Aiding and Abetting could be "Coke". Meeting with Russian government officials to get "dirt" on Hillary can be "Dr. Pepper". All of those are potentially collusive acts. Mueller simply could not find enough evidence to charge Mountain Dew. However, that does NOT mean he said "no soda".

Do you get it yet?

My apologizes, My mistake
Fair enough, I appreciate your acknowledgement.

Usually in the normal world, If you tell the same lie over and over, its just the same lie.
But you've said it over and over, which means you have repeatedly lied. If a child tells you "no I did not eat the cookie" and say they did not eat the cookie 5 different times, then they lied to you 5 times, not once.

That's how it works in the normal world.

In the new Liberal world, If a Liberal disagrees or claims the information to be misleading, its a lie. If you tell this lie in an email and send it to 500 people you have lied 500 times and that gets multiplied by how times it was forwarded. Currently Liberal have counted 10,476 lies stating Trump lies 29 times a day. This new Liberal norm isn't ever applied to a Democrat and for some reason can only be counted by a Liberal.
I challenged you to show which ones on that list were not lies and which ones were repeats. You have not done so.

Please show me which ones are not lies.

When you can show me where Obama, Clinton, and their staff has 10,000 plus lies over the (Benghazi was started from an internet video) story that was proven a fake claim, or the hundreds of times Clinton landed under enemy fire, or the keep your Dr. and keep your plan was used under the same criteria, let me know.
That's the stupidest thing I've heard.

Do you not get it? Trump is a serial liar. Most people are not. You are trying to create a false equivalence. I don't have to show where Obama has lied 10,000 times because it is entirely possible Obama did not lie 10,000 times. Just Trump. Because Trump is a liar. And only an incredibly partisan hack would think that has to be an equivalence.

Until then, its viewed for what it is. More childish accolades from a small group of entitled brats who lost an election
Noting how many times Trump has lied has nothing to do with an election, just Trump's rampant dishonesty.
1. Prosecutors do not exonerate. If they don't charge and successfully convict you, then you are presumed innocent.
Mueller LITERALLY said he would state if he could exonerate the President, but that he could not.

2. Mueller had the authority to state that he found probable cause in any one or all of the alleged "crimes."
And he said he could not establish enough evidence to have a good faith basis in a conviction on conspiracy, but he made no such statement on obstruction.

3. The fact it is DOJ policy not to indict a sitting President would not stop him from making the declarations in point #2 above.
Mueller LITERALLY stated it did.

Seriously, why the hell do you talk about a report you clearly have not read?
Not sure what this has to do with the Trump campaign.
The Clinton campaign is the campaign that employed foreigners and received information from other foreigners.
This is a lie.

Trump defenders are the worst liars.
I read the entire report
:lamo

No one believes you did.
 
The State Department just announced today that about a dozen different individuals have broken multiple federal laws in Clinton's private server scandal. The complete investigation is scheduled to be completed by September 2019.
No, it did not. This is 100% false.

The State Department said there was 23 violations and 7 infractions of Department guidelines. That is not the same as law violations. Once again, what you posted is disinformation.

Here is a link to the letter, for those who want to see for themselves that marke posted something false: https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sit...to CEG (Security Investigation Follow-Up).pdf
 
Barr is the Attorney General and was Mueller's supervisor. He can just, you know, change the policy.

Mmmm hmmm. And I'm sure he'd love to make it so trump can be charged with a crime. Gee why didn't we think of that :roll:
 
But you've said it over and over, which means you have repeatedly lied. If a child tells you "no I did not eat the cookie" and say they did not eat the cookie 5 different times, then they lied to you 5 times, not once.

That's how it works in the normal world.

Do you not get it? Trump is a serial liar. Most people are not. You are trying to create a false equivalence. I don't have to show where Obama has lied 10,000 times because it is entirely possible Obama did not lie 10,000 times. Just Trump. Because Trump is a liar. And only an incredibly partisan hack would think that has to be an equivalence.

I did not ask you to show 10,000 Obama lies. I was making a comparison of how Liberals hold Trump to a different account than they do anyone else in history. You never heard any of the Obama lies as multiplied by any factor what so ever. If you think you can push such a ridiculous idea of 10,497 lies and counting and an average of 29 per day then feel free to continue. It does nothing but show the desperation of the Democratic party.

People actually do go to these website and read items like, Trump says the largest reason for these killer wildfires is lack of proper forestry services. He was talking about the dead trees and underbrush that can't be removed because of tree huger as reported to by the actual guys who work there.

Liberals attack the statement as it doesn't include other factors so its now a lie. Who makes these decisions? Loony Liberals with nothing better to do than take statements and find a way to make them lies for their daily tallies. It was tweeted out, talked about in an interview, told during a rally, so you have to add all those together we wind up with (XXXXXX) lies plus the people that repeated it or re tweeted it.

If that is what you think you need to represent as an honest account I would encourage you to continue. Most see it for what it is. If they didn't it would be headline news and the entire country would be behind it. Fortunately it is perceived as what it is. Liberal desperation.

And he said he could not establish enough evidence to have a good faith basis in a conviction on conspiracy, but he made no such statement on obstruction.

He didn't say Trump was the king of France either. Whats does than mean?

Seriously, why the hell do you talk about a report you clearly have not read?
No one believes you did.

Why would I care what you believe?

Let me tell you what I know.

Mueller works for AG Barr and the DOJ
AG Barr and the DOJ have provided their report to Congress
No Conspiracy, No Obstruction

There isn't a single Democratic candidate who has drawn a crowd of more than a few hundred supporters while in their most supportive states.

Trumps opening campaign rally has over 100,000 tickets out with people already camping at the location and outside monitors to take care of the tens of thousands who won't be able to get in.

Democrats will never even attempt to Impeach Trump

And when you trot out an 80 year old convicted felon from the Nixon Watergate scandals as your lead off witness, the whole world knows how desperate Liberals have become. Kind of like the whole 10,000 lie detection system.

And when your own prosecutor (Mueller) who knows more about the Mueller report than anyone else on the planet refuses to testify to his own findings in his 488 pages of accusations without a single criminal recommendation,

its time to find another reason to be outraged.
 
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