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US embassies defy Trump admin orders not to fly LGBTQ flag

RaleBulgarian said:
Completely missing the point again, as usual. No one is promoting homosexuality, lesbianism, etc. The flag represents support for a group of people who are routinely assaulted verbally/physically, shunned and discriminated against for no other reason than being who they are.
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Such is domestic politics and ought not be on a national embassy.
 
They're all just dumb pieces of cloth with coloured patterns, including the American flag. Get rid of this stupid mediaeval flag-waving practise once and for all and everyone will be happy.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Such is domestic politics and ought not be on a national embassy.
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Support for the LGBTQ community isn’t about politics, at all, and flying the rainbow flag at our embassies expresses support for the same cause in other countries as well. Completely appropriate.
 
ocean515 said:
According to the Vice President, the State Department, which oversees our global embassies, issued a directive stating no other flag can be flown under the US Flag.

The POW Flag is flown on the same pole as the US Flag, under legislation passed by Congress, and that only takes place on certain special days.
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So you are saying Vice President directive contradict the law then, right?

ocean515 said:
Since I've been doing all the work here, why don't you produce a copy of the government directive that forbids flying the rainbow flag?
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Let's see. So you want me to prove some statement that I never stated. Yet, when I asked you 3-4 times to prove something that you DID state ...

ocean515 said:
I'm very capable of being gracious when I'm wrong.
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... you could not come up with a single example out of your 27,500+ posts.
 
Slavister said:
So you are saying Vice President directive contradict the law then, right?



Let's see. So you want me to prove some statement that I never stated. Yet, when I asked you 3-4 times to prove something that you DID state ...



... you could not come up with a single example out of your 27,500+ posts.
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The Vice President didn't give a directive. I never said he did.

Policies of how our Nations Embassies operate come out of the State Department.

It might be helpful if you knew anything about the subject.

Uninformed emotionalism isn't going to take your argument very far.
 
ocean515 said:
The Vice President didn't give a directive. I never said he did.
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Fine. So you are saying State Department directive contradicts the law then, right?
 
Slavister said:
Fine. So you are saying State Department directive contradicts the law then, right?
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What law? Congress passed legislation providing for the flying of the POW/MIA flag on certain special occasions. I provided a link to that legislation, and pasted the dates.

I am not aware the State Departments directive regarding only flying the US Flag alone would have any impact on the Legislation Congress passed.

If you're really that interested, why don't you actually look into it, like I did? Find the actual black and white facts. Don't use the left's MSM as a source. They have an agenda.

Most of all this stuff is part of the public record. It can be a pain to find, but at least you will be armed with the facts, and not the spin and propaganda the media wants to generate profit from you with.
 
ocean515 said:
What law? Congress passed legislation providing for the flying of the POW/MIA flag on certain special occasions. I provided a link to that legislation, and pasted the dates.

I am not aware the State Departments directive regarding only flying the US Flag alone would have any impact on the Legislation Congress passed.
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It is NOT complicated. You said ...

1. Congress passed legislation providing for the flying of the POW/MIA flag on certain special occasions. I provided a link to that legislation, and pasted the dates. In fact you referenced Public Law 105-85 in your post. That's the LAW.

2. Therefore, State Departments directive regarding only flying the US Flag alone would be against such law.

Even according to right leaning source,

Under President Barack Obama, embassies were given blanket permission to fly pride flags during the month. The Trump administration has since altered the policy, requiring each embassy to get special permission to display the flag on the embassy flag pole.
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So, first they altered the policy so embassies have to request it and then they outright denied the requests

The State Department ... are not approving requests from U.S. embassies to fly the LGBT pride flag on flagpoles during Pride Month.
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... quite transparent
 
Slavister said:
It is NOT complicated. You said ...

1. Congress passed legislation providing for the flying of the POW/MIA flag on certain special occasions. I provided a link to that legislation, and pasted the dates. In fact you referenced Public Law 105-85 in your post. That's the LAW.

2. Therefore, State Departments directive regarding only flying the US Flag alone would be against such law.

Even according to right leaning source,



So, first they altered the policy so embassies have to request it and then they outright denied the requests



... quite transparent
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No, it seems in this case, the fog clouding your view has limited your ability to see.

The Trump Administration has been very open about it's positive support of gay rights. It's been very open about it's support of everyone's rights.

The rabid left needs to stop lying about stuff. At some point they need to figure out that everyday American's are seeing right through this kind of crap.
 
Slavister said:
It is NOT complicated. You said ...

1. Congress passed legislation providing for the flying of the POW/MIA flag on certain special occasions. I provided a link to that legislation, and pasted the dates. In fact you referenced Public Law 105-85 in your post. That's the LAW.

2. Therefore, State Departments directive regarding only flying the US Flag alone would be against such law.

Even according to right leaning source,



So, first they altered the policy so embassies have to request it and then they outright denied the requests
... quite transparent
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What you left out is that they are free to fly the flag anywhere else. just not on their main pole.
it isn't hard to understand. well maybe for some people.
 
ocean515 said:
The Vice President didn't give a directive. I never said he did.

Policies of how our Nations Embassies operate come out of the State Department.

It might be helpful if you knew anything about the subject.

Uninformed emotionalism isn't going to take your argument very far.
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that is all these people have is just one emotional outrage after another.
i think it would be tiring being angry like that all the time over every microscopic
thing that occurs.
 
ludin said:
that is all these people have is just one emotional outrage after another.
i think it would be tiring being angry like that all the time over every microscopic
thing that occurs.
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Agreed.

I can't imagine turning my will and my life over to such an enslaving point of view.
 
ludin said:
What you left out is that they are free to fly the flag anywhere else. just not on their main pole.
it isn't hard to understand. well maybe for some people.
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Do you think they will ever figure out they haven't seen a single document or directive that states the Rainbow flag can't be flown anywhere on Federal property?


Kind of like how dogs are trained to speak on command. Dog whistles go out from the left's MSM partners, and like trained animals, the target audience barks in response to the command.
 
ludin said:
What you left out is that they are free to fly the flag anywhere else. just not on their main pole.
it isn't hard to understand. well maybe for some people.
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If it's not such a big deal, why do they even bother to first STOP the established practice that did not care about this, and then DENY requests to do so on the same pole?

Clearly something is really bothering them that they went into trouble to prevent this established practice.
 
Slavister said:
If it's not such a big deal, why do they even bother to first STOP the established practice that did not care about this, and then DENY requests to do so on the same pole?

Clearly something is really bothering them that they went into trouble to prevent this established practice.
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different administrations can do different things. i know amazing how that works doesn't it.
Yet they were still free to fly the flag.
 
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