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Who do you believe?

JasperL said:
1) Trump is a renowned serial liar.
2) Pompeo is a liar last seen kissing MBS's bare ass
3) The "investigation" was all of hours.
4) There was no evidence presented that the Iranians did it, other than them being somewhere in the vicinity of the attacks, which took place off their coastline.

Other than that, of course we should take their evidence free assertions after a few hours of "investigation" at face value!
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video of John Bolton saying he would lie to get us into a war.
 
JasperL said:
1) Trump is a renowned serial liar.
2) Pompeo is a liar last seen kissing MBS's bare ass
3) The "investigation" was all of hours.
4) There was no evidence presented that the Iranians did it, other than them being somewhere in the vicinity of the attacks, which took place off their coastline.

Other than that, of course we should take their evidence free assertions after a few hours of "investigation" at face value!
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So you choose to believe Iran over our own government. OK. Carry on with your treason
 
I dont believe the trump government that's for sure. I'd bet it's a Bolton scheme. A false flag.
 
Fletch said:
So you choose to believe Iran over our own government. OK. Carry on with your treason
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Maybe I would believe trump if he had not acted to undermine my trust un the office of the president, his administration, and the intelligence community.

Relentlessly attacking the intelligence community has consequences.
 
Obscurity said:
Maybe I would believe trump if he had not acted to undermine my trust un the office of the president, his administration, and the intelligence community.

Relentlessly attacking the intelligence community has consequences.
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No. You, like every other liberal here, is simply mindlessly aping what you heard other Trump hating morons on TV say. I dont watch CNN because people like you simply bring whatever they say there, here. An original thought from a liberal at DP, just doesnt happen.
 
Fletch said:
So you choose to believe Iran over our own government. OK. Carry on with your treason
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What is it with you Trumpsters and your absurd vitriolic attacks on others patriotism because they disagree? Shameful. Americans are allowed to disagree publicly, even encouraged to do so. It is one our most fundamental rights. Your type of thinking is best suited to places like North Korea or China.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
What is it with you Trumpsters and your absurd vitriolic attacks on others patriotism because they disagree? Shameful. Americans are allowed to disagree publicly, even encouraged to do so. It is one our most fundamental rights. Your type of thinking is best suited to places like North Korea or China.
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Trump was accused of treason by libtards for 2 1/2 years. Dont like it when I do it to you? Tough. Go cry to your momma
 
Fletch said:
Trump was accused of treason by libtards for 2 1/2 years. Dont like it when I do it to you? Tough. Go cry to your momma
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More Trumpster logic. :roll:
 
RaleBulgarian said:
More Trumpster logic. :roll:
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I have been called a traitor and a Nazi and a racist for supporting Trump by brainless libtards for the last 2 1/2 years as well. Its ok according to 'libtard' logic to smear others but whine like babies when it is done to you. Again, too bad. Dont like it, call out your side when you see it happening or quit your whining.
 
Fletch said:
So you choose to believe Iran over our own government. OK. Carry on with your treason
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LOL, no, I choose not to believe the lying serial liar in the WH and his bootlicker Pompeo who we also know is a liar. See, Pompeo's handling of the Khashoggi mess.

I don't know why you find this even noteworthy. There's a cost to getting on the air every day or so and telling lies to the American people. That's what Trump does so routinely we don't even notice anymore. Only an idiot would believe Trump if he said it was Friday without checking their calendar.

It's also a cost of all the half truths and outright lies that got us into Iraq. I made the mistake and defended Bush and crew during that runup, and they made a fool out of me and this country. John Bolton was right in the middle of all that. Who can trust him? Not me.

And "treason?" :2rofll:
 
Fletch said:
No. You, like every other liberal here, is simply mindlessly aping what you heard other Trump hating morons on TV say. I dont watch CNN because people like you simply bring whatever they say there, here. An original thought from a liberal at DP, just doesnt happen.
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Interesting. I also don't watch CNN or cable news of any kind. I told you why I didn't believe Trump or Pompeo, and it's based on the fact 1) Trump is a serial liar, and more importantly 2) they offered not a shred of evidence other than Iran was in the vicinity hours later, and 10 hours later they removed a presumably smoking gun piece of evidence tying them to the attacks.

What evidence have you seen or that has even been alleged to this point convinces you the HOURS-long investigation turned up solid evidence of Iran's involvement? When we bring this to the UN like Powell did for Iraq, what is it that the U.S. will present to make its case? So far your argument FOR believing Trump and his bootlicker is, "Who else did it?"

Well, this dumb liberal knows that's not evidence of anything, but that's the best you can do. You can't link to evidence because it doesn't exist. So you call us traitors, which is pretty f'ing lame. That BS allegation lost its effectiveness after Iraq when all the treasonous traitors on the left who didn't believe Bush and crew were proved correct, and the gullible drones who believe everything our government told us (I was one at the time) were made fools of.
 
Fletch said:
I have been called a traitor and a Nazi and a racist for supporting Trump by brainless libtards for the last 2 1/2 years as well. Its ok according to 'libtard' logic to smear others but whine like babies when it is done to you. Again, too bad. Dont like it, call out your side when you see it happening or quit your whining.
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They did it first, mom!!!
 
Fletch said:
I have been called a traitor and a Nazi and a racist for supporting Trump by brainless libtards for the last 2 1/2 years as well. Its ok according to 'libtard' logic to smear others but whine like babies when it is done to you. Again, too bad. Dont like it, call out your side when you see it happening or quit your whining.
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I don’t have a “side” and haven’t called you a traitor or a Nazi. I haven’t called anyone here a traitor or a Nazi. I have addressed several racists here, but don’t recall you being one. Regardless, pointing fingers at others in an attempt to shift blame away or mitigate your own comments is juvenile. Certainly you’re able to recognize that, right?
 
chuckiechan said:
By “Iran” it also means “by one of it’s proxys”. So it’s likely Iran gave the go ahead. There aren’t a lot of low damage anti ship missiles floating around that any range to speak of. Time will tell who is FOS. You guys or the Defense Department.

Someone also shot a AA missile at a Predator drone.
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It's not so much "us guys" vs. the Defense Department as it is Donald Trump vs. the owners of the oil tanker.
 
JasperL said:
LOL, no, I choose not to believe the lying serial liar in the WH and his bootlicker Pompeo who we also know is a liar. See, Pompeo's handling of the Khashoggi mess.

I don't know why you find this even noteworthy. There's a cost to getting on the air every day or so and telling lies to the American people. That's what Trump does so routinely we don't even notice anymore. Only an idiot would believe Trump if he said it was Friday without checking their calendar.

It's also a cost of all the half truths and outright lies that got us into Iraq. I made the mistake and defended Bush and crew during that runup, and they made a fool out of me and this country. John Bolton was right in the middle of all that. Who can trust him? Not me.

And "treason?" :2rofll:
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Thank you for your input Mullah Jasper.
 
Fletch said:
So you choose to believe Iran over our own government. OK. Carry on with your treason
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You mean like Trump believed Putin over our own intelligence on the issue of Russian interference in the election?
 
RaleBulgarian said:
I don’t have a “side” and haven’t called you a traitor or a Nazi. I haven’t called anyone here a traitor or a Nazi. I have addressed several racists here, but don’t recall you being one. Regardless, pointing fingers at others in an attempt to shift blame away or mitigate your own comments is juvenile. Certainly you’re able to recognize that, right?
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I didnt say you did. But its not possible that you didnt notice those sorts of smears going on here endlessly for the last 2 years. And you said nothing. I say it one time, only half seriously and you have a melt down. If my support for Trump in the face of the left wing collusion lie made me a Putin loving Nazi fascist, then your support of Iran here must make you (according to liberal 'logic') a Mullah loving Islamofascist. If you dont like that sort of language, maybe next time you will call it out when your side does it.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Who do you believe? Why?
Japanese Tanker Owner Says U.S. Is Wrong About Gulf Attack
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When it comes to the American people, 33% say Trump is honest and trustworthy. However 51% of Americans state Trump isn't honest nor trustworthy. Question 56.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/b0wzlf9avh/econTabReport.pdf

As for the gulf attacks, I usually give these things time under Trump as I really don't know what or who to believe. The sad part if these attacks happened under Obama, G.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, G.H.W Bush, Reagan or any other president in my lifetime and they accused Iran, I'd believe them immediately. Let's just say, Trump hasn't been the most trustful or truthful president in my book. Ever since he announced I seen Trump on too many occasions say one thing one day, the opposite the next day and deny saying anything at all on the third.

I'll add that if there is someone out there I'd trust less than Trump, it certainly is Iran.
 
Perotista said:
When it comes to the American people, 33% say Trump is honest and trustworthy. However 51% of Americans state Trump isn't honest nor trustworthy. Question 56.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/b0wzlf9avh/econTabReport.pdf

As for the gulf attacks, I usually give these things time under Trump as I really don't know what or who to believe. The sad part if these attacks happened under Obama, G.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, G.H.W Bush, Reagan or any other president in my lifetime and they accused Iran, I'd believe them immediately. Let's just say, Trump hasn't been the most trustful or truthful president in my book. Ever since he announced I seen Trump on too many occasions say one thing one day, the opposite the next day and deny saying anything at all on the third.

I'll add that if there is someone out there I'd trust less than Trump, it certainly is Iran.
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So, which untrustworthy prevaricator to believe? Let's not believe either one of them until we see some proof, but by all means, let's not start a war on the say so of one of the untrustworthy prevaricators.
 
JasperL said:
That's a witty response, if you're 12 years old. :applaud
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Look, its not your fault. You are just a puppet of Iran. Say hi to Khameini for me.

But I will agree that mimicking liberal tactics as I am currently doing does come across as childish. Now you know how we feel having to constantly respond to 12 year olds.
 
Dittohead not! said:
You mean like Trump believed Putin over our own intelligence on the issue of Russian interference in the election?
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Look at you figuring out what I am doing here!! Well done.
 
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