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Why I think trump will win in 2020!

Yeah, their dreams are slowly turning into nightmares, and rightfully so. They unjustly accuse others what they are themselves guilty of. And, therefore, I can see where several leftists/deep staters will be standing before a judge in the future.

I pray they all face justice. America deserves it.

I so agree with your post. I pray, they will reap what that have sown and that the harvest will be exactly the kind of justice they deserve. Finally!

Roseann:)
 
I would agree with that. He has given other Dems the ability to come out and say what they really want to do. In the past, most of these far left ideas were never taken out of the closet but I think Bernie has lit a fire under a lot of these new Dems to start pushing for a much farther agenda and for the most part to be in complete contrast to Trump.

Of course it's in complete contrast to Trump. Trump is a corporate socialist of the worst description.

Things like:
1. 3rd trimester abortions

Complete and utter nonsense, and you know it. This is an absolutely misconstrued batch of noise. Yellow journalism at its absolute worst. NO one gets an abortiong this late unless there are issues. It's such a small number, and yet, you lot use it as an emotional bludgeon.

I tire of this and reject this premise as the steaming hot trash it is.

2. Socialism opportunities for free medical, college, and a guaranteed living wage

All admirable causes. Note. Democratic Socialist opportunities. Socializing the needs of the people, capitalizing the wants of the people.

3. This Green New deal that would bankrupt the world

It wasn't even a real policy. It's a manifesto. There was no actual policy as of yet.

4. Getting rid of farting cows

Debunked noise.

5. Open borders for all immigrants

Not what Sanders wants, not what Warren wants. Only what a few rabid far left ideologues want, and then, of course you'd claim this is what the "left" wants in general.

6. Elimination of the Nazi run ICE

What we truly need is congress to stop abdicating to the throne because they're afraid to vote for comprehensive immigration reform.

7. Statements of fixing the broken immigration problem but they won't even attempt it now, why would anyone think they will do it later.

This is a problem on both sides of the aisle. It didn't get fixed by the rats on the right when they had all the branches of government too. The best they could muster was a massive tax cut for the wealthiest people in this country.

America watched as Democrats accused Kavanaugh of train rapes and alcoholism as a political stunt to stop his confirmation
America watched as Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi, Waters, and Nadler claimed to have seen evidence of Trump being a Russian agent
And those are just some of the high points

The house has passed over a hundred bills. The American people are seeing McConnell abdicate his responsibility and withhold votes on nearly all of them. The democrats are pushing policy. The republicans are clutching their breeches and whining endlessly about witch hunts and everything else under the sun.

Now we have 3.2 GDP, historical lows in unemployment, Historical highs in the stock market, 5 million new jobs, 3.9 million off of food stamps, record number of regulations retracted which is boosting an energized economy.

And? The economy is not the sole factor in elections nor is it the sole factor in who supports who. Trump isn't responsible for this rebound. It was a global rebound. Is Trump responsible for the economic turn around in 2015? No, he wasn't.

At the end of the day, americans are still working multiple low paying jobs to make ends meet, the overwhelming amount of benefits from the tax bill went straight to the top, wages didn't blossom like promised, and the majority will see this for what it is, another handjob for corporate donors.

I don't see how Biden will have a chance since he has been in our government for over 40 years with no record to run on at all.

If you meant to say Bernie, you're wrong. Sanders has shifted the national conversation. He passed a bipartisan bill that removed us from Yemen, only to be vetoed by a President who is in bed with Saudis, so of course he's going to veto that.

His voting record against the expansionist regime change wars. His consistent message for 40 years. His principals and his morals far outweigh anything the republocrats can put up.

Due to character restrictions, here's the entire link showing Sanders' achievements:

What Bernie Sanders Got Done in Washington: A Legislative Inventory – People's War

I think you should prepare yourself.

The feeling is mutual. Trump is a scandal laden president on the verge of impeachment.

Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

Let's not forget. The sleeping giant has been stirred. Beware 2020.
 
Regulation generally is a job killer and suppresses wages. I can't think of ANY government regulation that created a job or raised real wages, at least in the last 20-30 years. But getting rid of unnecessary regulatory red tape--having run a small business I can assure you it is mind numbing--and removing silly and needless regulations like the black listing of contractors who have ever had a labor or other issue, etc. has opened the doors and increased productivity for countless owners/operators/entreprenours, etc.

Reed: Deregulation = More Jobs – AM 1480 WLEA News

I asked you to provide me an example of a single regulation that has been removed that has absolutely created more jobs, or, increased wages.

What you give me is "Well, regulations kill jobs and wages." That's not an answer. It's a deflection. You can't name one because A. It's not real and B. It didn't happen, and it's not something you can prove - so the entire thing is a non starter. Using terms like "job killing regulation" is agitprop "political economy noise" and nothing more.
 
One of the main reasons Clinton lost is the same reason they will lose again, 2020, the disunity of the party. There is a power struggle going on from within, the progressive, leftist radicals v. the status quo peeps like rehashed Obama admin. Biden, the latter who will probably win the nom, but not the presidency. Bernie's fan are not going to vote for Biden for the same reasons they didn't vote for Hillary. God is on the side of the country and the voters. You need to stop making up your own facts.

Definitely the strong suit of the GOP is team unity. No matter what a ****ed up, lying, asshat they put in charge says, they will all get in line and spout the party line.
 
No matter what a ****ed up, lying, asshat they put in charge says, they will all get in line and spout the party line.

Yeah, like Trump and Putin colluding, why do the Democrats do that so much?

:lol:


:2wave:
 
I asked you to provide me an example of a single regulation that has been removed that has absolutely created more jobs, or, increased wages.

What you give me is "Well, regulations kill jobs and wages." That's not an answer. It's a deflection. You can't name one because A. It's not real and B. It didn't happen, and it's not something you can prove - so the entire thing is a non starter. Using terms like "job killing regulation" is agitprop "political economy noise" and nothing more.

And I gave you one. The Obamacare mandate.

And then in your post #115 you said that wasn't what you asked and stated: "Name one regulation that specifically created a job or raised wages."

That I can't do as I can't think of any regualtion over the last two or three decades that has been beneficial to job creation anywhere but in government, or that has raised wages except for some targeted temporary government contracts.

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If you remember, I believed the polls.
Never again, never again will I believe the polls.
There's this well known guy I follow over on Twitter, and he kept tweeting as to why the polls are wrong. He knew Trump would win.
I would have never believed it until the night of the election.

2018 sends it regards.
 
2018 sends it regards.

Presidential elections are different than midterms.

Btw, congress's approval ratings are in the tank and this morning I read that over 60% do not favor impeaching Trump.

Glad I could help.
 
One of the main reasons Clinton lost is the same reason they will lose again, 2020, the disunity of the party. There is a power struggle going on from within, the progressive, leftist radicals v. the status quo peeps like rehashed Obama admin. Biden, the latter who will probably win the nom, but not the presidency. Bernie's fan are not going to vote for Biden for the same reasons they didn't vote for Hillary. God is on the side of the country and the voters. You need to stop making up your own facts.

I disagree with you and given that both of our responses are opinions, the chances for either of us to be right is the same, except that more is known about Trump than before and most of it is bad.
 
The reason a substantial part of tax relief went to the so-called rich--we are talking mostly small businesses here--is because 50% of Americans are paying little or no taxes as it is. You can't get a tax cut when you aren't paying taxes.

But the tax relief going to businesses, along with elimination of a lot of unnecessary and oppressive regulation has resulted in a business boom like we haven't seen since right after WWII. And that boom has resulted in good permanent jobs for those who want them, higher wages, and increasing family income for the first time in quite some time now.

THAT is how you are pro worker and not by making them victims and more and more dependent on government.

Democrats/socialists create dependents.
President Trump is creating tax payers.

I really can't understand why some people just don't get that great idea you have stated about how to become pro worker and still prefer being victims dependent on government!?.

Roseann:)
 
I disagree with you and given that both of our responses are opinions, the chances for either of us to be right is the same, except that more is known about Trump than before and most of it is bad.

It's only bad to lefties who are very upset that the liberal train went off the rails.
 
Yeah, like Trump and Putin colluding, why do the Democrats do that so much?

:lol:


:2wave:

Trump stood in front of the entire world and said he believes Putin over his own intelligence agencies.
 
I disagree with you and given that both of our responses are opinions, the chances for either of us to be right is the same, except that more is known about Trump than before and most of it is bad.

Yeah, the Democrats who wouldn't vote him in 2016 won't vote for him again in 2020.
This is no big revelation but I wasn't talking about why you hate Trump. I was talking about why the Democrats will lose again to him... They have nothing to beat him with but radical leftists selling Utopian pipe dreams, and a rehashed old white man who is pretending to be one of them. Their winning at all costs :bs debunked by the Mueller report shows the cowardice of today's Democratic Party.
 
Of course it's in complete contrast to Trump. Trump is a corporate socialist of the worst description.

Don't believe that statement will pass muster

Complete and utter nonsense, and you know it. This is an absolutely misconstrued batch of noise. Yellow journalism at its absolute worst. NO one gets an abortiong this late unless there are issues. It's such a small number, and yet, you lot use it as an emotional bludgeon.

I agree with everything you stated about this abortion bill but Houston, we have a problem.

When Democratic delegate Kathy Tran, the chief sponsor of the bill, stated that her legislation would allow a woman to receive an abortion even while she was going into labor, Coupled with describing how the baby would be made comfortable while the Dr. and the Mother decided on the babies fate was the headline story.

People imagined Planned Parenthood now legally aborting late term babies and this story was over. There were no specifics given about any need for a late term abortion in the hearing.

All admirable causes. Note. Democratic Socialist opportunities. Socializing the needs of the people, capitalizing the wants of the people.

Socialism is socialism no matter what name you put in front of it. This is a Bernie crowed supported issue and will not get new voters to the Democratic side of the house.



It wasn't even a real policy. It's a manifesto. There was no actual policy as of yet.

Its not the fact that its even a real policy. Its the fact that this craziness was even a consideration. If you could get on board with the Green new deal what else are you capable of.

Open borders, Not what Sanders wants, not what Warren wants. Only what a few rabid far left ideologues want, and then, of course you'd claim this is what the "left" wants in general.

Maybe Sanders doesn't want open borders but the false allegations of 100,000 crossings per month is a manufactured crisis and refusing Trump less than .011% of the federal budget for something Democrats have been doing since 1994 and built over 700 miles of tells a different story. And not a story that will be soon forgotten.


What we truly need is congress to stop abdicating to the throne because they're afraid to vote for comprehensive immigration reform.

Agreed, But Kamla Harris (and others) calling for the elimination of ICE isn't going to promote winning over the hearts and minds of American voters

This is a problem on both sides of the aisle. It didn't get fixed by the rats on the right when they had all the branches of government too. The best they could muster was a massive tax cut for the wealthiest people in this country.

As far as fixing broken immigration I agree with you completely. But what are voters looking at right now. Trump has to go to Mexico to get help with the problem and Democrats won't support anything that has to do with building barriers. That will be the issue voters are going to respond to.

The house has passed over a hundred bills. The American people are seeing McConnell abdicate his responsibility and withhold votes on nearly all of them. The democrats are pushing policy. The republicans are clutching their breeches and whining endlessly about witch hunts and everything else under the sun.

Probably correct.

And? The economy is not the sole factor in elections nor is it the sole factor in who supports who. Trump isn't responsible for this rebound. It was a global rebound. Is Trump responsible for the economic turn around in 2015? No, he wasn't.

Not going to be able to sell that idea of this is Obama's economy. While Obama inherited a real s***y deal, he did a pretty good job getting things turned around. Fair is fair and I would support that statement. However you have way to much contrast to sell the idea that Trump is just here on a ride along.

Obama got us to 17,000 in the markets but Trumps deregulation (among other things) got us to 26,000. Coupled with a blazing economy the likes of which this country hasn't seen since the 1960s and historical records in unemployment, you can bet that people aren't so willing to walk away from this accomplishment to take a chance on someone who has no record to speak of at all.

If you meant to say Bernie, you're wrong. Sanders has shifted the national conversation. He passed a bipartisan bill that removed us from Yemen, only to be vetoed by a President who is in bed with Saudis, so of course he's going to veto that.

No, I meant to say Biden. I don't see Bernie becoming the nominee for any reason.
 
Trump stood in front of the entire world and said he believes Putin over his own intelligence agencies.

No, he didn't.
You get your talking points from the leftist echo chamber.
 
If you remember, I believed the polls.
Never again, never again will I believe the polls.
There's this well known guy I follow over on Twitter, and he kept tweeting as to why the polls are wrong. He knew Trump would win.
I would have never believed it until the night of the election.

LOL I was always a bit suspect of polls. I'm 66 years old and I never had a pollster contact me.

I'm not on twitter, so you can send me an occasional update on what he has to say in a P.M. :cool:

Many people thought the way you thought until Trump upset the apple cart.

Unlike those in your favorite video I was not upset when Trump upset that cart of bad apples they were selling to the people.

Roseann:)
 
Presidential elections are different than midterms.
Btw, congress's approval ratings are in the tank and this morning I read that over 60% do not favor impeaching Trump.
Glad I could help.

More people voting helps Democrats.
 
No, he didn't.
You get your talking points from the leftist echo chamber.

Yes, he did. He was asked point blank and he said it. Stop listening to the Fox spin.
 
First, it will have nothing to do with Trump. Although I believe most GOP politico's do not like Trump, but they are afraid of his base and have learned the golden rule over the past 20 years, stay together and vote together for the GOP candidate no matter who he is!! This is especially important since the party base is not the majority and is getting smaller each year. The real reason trump will win is the total stupidity of those who call them selves Dems. While the GOP party sticks together, the Dems look at themselves as progressives or Black or moderates or young or older and not as a consolidated Dem party member. We saw it clearly in the 2016, when a Dem does not get the candidate who he sees as "one with my ideas", he will either vote for the GOP candidate in protest or just not vote. That kind of person got Trump elected in 2016 and will do so again in 2020. The Dem progressives are hinting that if they do not get the candidate of their choice they will again stay home or vote for trump. The other Dem groups are doing the same. This seems especially true of the Black voters who are saying if you so not pick one of ours, you lose our vote as it will be a sign of taking us for granted. So the Dems can not choose a candidate or candidates that meet all the criteria of all of their groups and so will lose voters and the election. The Dems learned nothing from 2016 while the GOP did.

What kind of person got Trump elected in 2016? Take these stats into consideration as one has to put Trump's election into the context of 2016. 38% of all Americans viewed Hillary favorably, 58% unfavorably. Trump, 36% of all Americans viewed him favorably, 60% unfavorably. Neither one was liked and more Americans didn't want neither one to become president than did. 48% of all Americans voted for Hillary, 46% voted for Trump, 6% or 9 million voters voted third party against both candidates. 2 point difference in favorable's and unfavorable's, 2 point win for Hillary.

What gave Trump the White House was the independent vote. 27% of independents viewed Hillary favorably, 70% unfavorably. Trump, 40% viewed him favorably, 57% unfavorably. Trump was able to translate the fact more independents disliked Hillary more than Trump into a 46-42 win of the independent vote. Yet 12% of independents voted third party against both major party candidates. Interesting enough CNN asked those who voted third party whom they would have voted for if there were only the two major party candidates, Trump and Clinton. 19% answered Trump, 16% Clinton, 65% said they would not have voted. That 65% is an interesting state. It means almost six million voters thought it important enough to go to the polls and vote against both major party candidates instead of staying home. Such was their disdain for both major party candidates.They had to officially register their vote against both Trump and Clinton.

Do more Republicans vote for their candidate than Democrats. Yes, except in 2016 when a higher percentage of Democrats voted for Hillary than the percentage of Republicans vote for Trump. Here are percentages of each major party and their vote for their candidate.
2016 89% of democrats voted for Hillary, 88% of Republicans for Trump
2012 92% of democrats voted for Obama, 93% of Republicans for Romney
2008 89% of democrats voted for Obama, 90% of Republicans for McCain
2004 89% of democrats voted for Kerry, 93% of Republicans for G.W. Bush
2000 87% of democrats voted for Gore, 91% of Republicans for G.W. Bush.

That's your 20 years. Now 20 years of party affiliation in presidential years. Percentage of the total electorate.

2000 Democrats 33%, Republicans 28%
2004 Democrats 33%, Republicans 30%
2008 Democrats 36%, Republicans 25%
2012 Democrats 33%, Republicans 25%
2016 Democrats 30%, Republicans 27%
Today or as of 1 May 2019, Democrats 31%, Republicans 30%

As for shrinking parties. Democrats hit their highest percentage of the total electorate since WWII in 1961 and again in 1964 at 51%. Since 1964 those who affiliate or identify with the Democratic Party has dropped to 30% today. Republicans hit their highest percentage of the total electorate of 38% in 1944. Since Eisenhower the Republican Party pretty much stayed in the upper 20's with a couple of years where they hit 30%. In fact the GOP was as low as 21% in 1975, 77, 79 and at 22% in 76 and 78 all following Watergate.
 
No worries.
The Clinton campaign proactively sought dirt on Trump from Russian government sources, and denying this obviously gets Trump harpies through the night.

Please provide verifiable proof of your charge about Clinton.
 
Like I said on another thread, similar topic; the dimwits today have no, and I mean zero understanding of what dems used to be for, not that long ago, pre-Obama. The dimwits base of the contemporary democratic party have no idea that less than 12 years ago, and all the way back to the late 19th and early 20th century, Democrats fought the oil Barons, the industrialists, and the big bankers. They fought to protect American workers rights, protecting workers from unsafe working conditions, and fair pay, and in a time when unionization was necessary, got the rest of America to go along in support. Fast forward, and what do we see from modern day democrats?

The socialist party of America used to be their own thing, now, they are literally so intertwined with the democrats that you can't tell the difference. Same with the communist party, same with the fascist party, and of course the anarchists. Dems used to shut down any mention of these affiliations in the past, now, not so much! They openly embrace the same failed policies of those groups. Add in the fact that the modern democrats have competing small bases, coupled with radical, openly vocal leaders and you have what you now have. A congregation of nitwits that can't get out of their own way. No, DP democrat supporters. You're dreaming if you think for a second that one candidate can unite all of the fractious tiny bases in your now very large open tent party. Independents want nothing to do with partisan politics, and they've historically voted in favor of the sitting President if the economy was in good shape, which it is, and will continue to be.

Modern dems dismiss Trumps FDR, JFK approach to American worker protections, but on a grander scale. He's protecting us from the modern day globalists, the equivalent to the oil barons, industrialists, and big bankers. He wants no part of that future, and he's made no bones about putting American's first, whether it's fending off the globalists without and within, including within his own GOP party, or whether it protecting American's against illegal immigration, further protecting American citizen workers.

He IS, what the dems used to be.. But they're all too stupid to realize it. That's why he's going to win in 2020, and it aint gunna be close.


Tim-
 
Democrats can win in 2020.

They need to do two things.

Not be Trump
Not be crazy

They can only do one of those things though.
 
1. If someone supports President Trump, s/he should spread the idea that the Dem candidate will wipe the floor with President Trump.

2. This will give the Dems a feeling of 100% confidence, as when everyone (everyone!) said that Secretary Clinton would win. Possibly some Dems decided not to even bother to vote.

3. In 2020, maybe this misplaced confidence can again help President Trump to win in the Electoral College.

a. Naturally, the joker in the pack is how many unauthorized immigrants will vote. Of course, in the blue states, there will be many. Hopefully, in the red and purple states the laws against unauthorized immigrants voting will be enforced.

4. Also, if Mr. Biden is the candidate, President Trump will demolish him in the debates.

5. If the Dems lose again in 2020, the ensuing turmoil in the Democratic party will be a quite a sight. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
 
1. If someone supports President Trump, s/he should spread the idea that the Dem candidate will wipe the floor with President Trump.

2. This will give the Dems a feeling of 100% confidence, as when everyone (everyone!) said that Secretary Clinton would win. Possibly some Dems decided not to even bother to vote.

3. In 2020, maybe this misplaced confidence can again help President Trump to win in the Electoral College.

a. Naturally, the joker in the pack is how many unauthorized immigrants will vote. Of course, in the blue states, there will be many. Hopefully, in the red and purple states the laws against unauthorized immigrants voting will be enforced.

4. Also, if Mr. Biden is the candidate, President Trump will demolish him in the debates.

5. If the Dems lose again in 2020, the ensuing turmoil in the Democratic party will be a quite a sight. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

People aren't staying home or playing games.
 
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