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Time for War with Iran

OK, Iran did not admit increasing it uranium enrichment program during the period after it signed the agreement, did not claim responsibility for securing the straits, and the Revolutionary Guard did not lay mines in the Straits. Iran has not backed proxies of terror throughout the world and the US is the great satan.

How's that for a pack of lies? And btw, the League of Nations inspectors said "Germany is not rearming," even as German dive bombers were crushing Guernica.

The blind man picked up the hammer and saw.

What evidence of Iran's involvement in the Hormuz attacks do you have? I know the answer; none. A closed mind is like a closed book; a block of wood.
 
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Pompeo is a joke. Your cries for appeasement are nothing new, and remember where they got you last time. Stiff upper lip and all that.

I'm delighted you agree he's a joke; he's the guy that's selling you this crap. And you believe it. Oh, and did I say anything about "appeasement"? What's the problem, having trouble reading?
 
No point singing what the choir refuses to hear. Time will give us the answers, not truths, answers. If one reads Genesis, one learns god created from boredom. We are god's entertainment. Tho I pray for intercession by gods against war, of course, the gods have a history of enjoying human bloodshed. I expect no quality returns from my prayers, and I do understand that people enjoy killing people. You all may not be willing to admit this last bit of thought, but deep inside yourselves, you cannot deny its veracity. War is coming, and death doesn't care about the truths of the reasons.
 
I'm delighted you agree he's a joke; he's the guy that's selling you this crap. And you believe it. Oh, and did I say anything about "appeasement"? What's the problem, having trouble reading?

A typically lame accusation from you.
 
No point singing what the choir refuses to hear. Time will give us the answers, not truths, answers. If one reads Genesis, one learns god created from boredom. We are god's entertainment. Tho I pray for intercession by gods against war, of course, the gods have a history of enjoying human bloodshed. I expect no quality returns from my prayers, and I do understand that people enjoy killing people. You all may not be willing to admit this last bit of thought, but deep inside yourselves, you cannot deny its veracity. War is coming, and death doesn't care about the truths of the reasons.

If you're relying on a book of myths and superstitious nonsense as your reality, I suggest that's your problem. I read Genesis before I realised what an absurd con christianity is, and how hypocritical so-called christians show themselves to be-daily on this forum, for example; it's total rubbish, designed to appeal to the unquestioning, unthinking and those incapable of rational thought processes.
 
What evidence do you have other than 'Pompeo says so'? None; and Pompeo hasn't presented any either. No, this is just more lies and bluster, just Iraq's mysteriously vanishing WMD, mobile chemical weapons plants and Al Qaeda underground command centres were total fabrications.

but trump says he knows more then the generals!!

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If you're relying on a book of myths and superstitious nonsense as your reality, I suggest that's your problem. I read Genesis before I realised what an absurd con christianity is, and how hypocritical so-called christians show themselves to be-daily on this forum, for example; it's total rubbish, designed to appeal to the unquestioning, unthinking and those incapable of rational thought processes.

Silly you. More unfounded accusation. I am Mari, persecuted by Christians for 2k years. I rely on nothing, least of all myths of any kind. Metaphor is obviously above your comprehension skills.
 
I am Mari, persecuted by Christians for 2k years.

That makes you REALLY old, OldFatGuy ;) At least we know you tend to be truthful with your chosen name
 
That makes you REALLY old, OldFatGuy ;) At least we know you tend to be truthful with your chosen name

I'm 70. Weighing at 174 at 6'. My doctor wants me to gain 10 lbs. If you are lucky, you too may one day be old, perhaps, perhaps not. Do something about that blood pressure problem you are experiencing.
 
OK, Iran did not admit increasing it uranium enrichment program during the period after it signed the agreement, did not claim responsibility for securing the straits, and the Revolutionary Guard did not lay mines in the Straits. Iran has not backed proxies of terror throughout the world and the US is the great satan.

How's that for a pack of lies? And btw, the League of Nations inspectors said "Germany is not rearming," even as German dive bombers were crushing Guernica.

The blind man picked up the hammer and saw.
So, once presented with information that the regulatory agency overseeing Iran's cooperating in the nuclear deal says Iran is cooperating and given information that the US State Department said Iran is cooperating you choose to:

A) Admit you were wrong and were saying things which were provably untrue.
B) Double down on the lies by ranting about a whole lot of unrelated things.


Trump had NO good faith basis to pull out of the Iran deal. You claiming otherwise is flatly untrue. And no amount of irrelevant ranting will change that.
 
So, once presented with information that the regulatory agency overseeing Iran's cooperating in the nuclear deal says Iran is cooperating and given information that the US State Department said Iran is cooperating you choose to:

A) Admit you were wrong and were saying things which were provably untrue.
B) Double down on the lies by ranting about a whole lot of unrelated things.


Trump had NO good faith basis to pull out of the Iran deal. You claiming otherwise is flatly untrue. And no amount of irrelevant ranting will change that.

:rofl

We are all connected, by stupidity. You've demonstrated no grasp of history, less of reality. You are the one having a hissy fit, not me. Obviously you cannot accept any vision of this world other than your own.

Wait, watch and see the results of intentional ignorance repeated. Morality is a convenience, until it isn't.
 
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We are all connected, by stupidity. You've demonstrated no grasp of history, less of reality. You are the one having a hissy fit, not me. Obviously you cannot accept any vision of this world other than your own.

Wait, watch and see the results of intentional ignorance repeated. Morality is a convenience, until it isn't.

Morality is a convenience? I've rarely found that to be true...
 
Trump doesn't need any war to get re-elected. War would only hurt him. It's not happening and if Bolton keeps pushing for it, he has to go.
 
We are all connected, by stupidity. You've demonstrated no grasp of history, less of reality.
You're not even trying to debate the merits anymore.

You made a statement which is unequivocally false. Here's what you said, since you appear not to remember:
Pray I am wrong, but don't be foolish and think this is all on Trump's rhetorical head. He did not pull out of that well violated agreement without good cause.

That statement is 100% a lie. It has been proven to you to be a lie on numerous occasions. Numerous people have shown you where the agency responsible for monitoring Iran's compliance has said Iran is complying. I provided you with a link to where the US State Department said Iran was complying. It is 100% a lie to say Iran "well violated" that agreement and that Trump had "good cause" to withdraw. It is a lie for anyone to say that.

Once presented with the fact your statement is a lie, you have REFUSED to acknowledge you posted a lie and instead have repeatedly gone off on irrelevant rants about everything short of bread sliced bagels.

You are wrong. You posted something which is 100% false. You can admit you posted a lie or not, but the only stupidity here is the idea that Iran has violated the agreement when the IAEA and the State Department both have said they have not.

So will you admit your lie or not?

You are the one having a hissy fit, not me.
A hissy fit? You literally ranted about things which had nothing to do with our topic because you don't want to admit your statement was untrue, even when presented with indisputable evidence it was.

Obviously you cannot accept any vision of this world other than your own.
I refuse to accept lies. What you posted was a lie. You have refused to retract your lie.

This isn't a difference of visions. You said something which is a lie and you refuse to admit the lie you posted.

Morality is a convenience, until it isn't.
People who speak in lies and refuse to admit it are not people I am interested in listening to speak about morality. Admit you were wrong and then we can have a conversation about morality.
 
YOnce presented with the fact your statement is a lie, you have REFUSED to acknowledge you posted a lie and instead have repeatedly gone off on irrelevant rants about everything short of bread sliced bagels.
This isn't a difference of visions. You said something which is a lie and you refuse to admit the lie you posted.

People who speak in lies and refuse to admit it are not people I am interested in listening to speak about morality. Admit you were wrong and then we can have a conversation about morality.

You presented a disproved opinion by an investigatory group with skin in the game. It is not fact.

You refuse to accept the Iranian admission by its own VP that they have continually continued to enrich uranium, and grown their efforts. This was purposefully broadcast on Iran radio for the world to hear, but you play deaf.

You don't know what morality is, so there can never be any kind of reasonable conversation. You have made this clear and evident with accusations of lies not told but claimed because those statements oppose your personal partisan politic world view, with all its ignorant limitations.

Any discussion of Iran's policies and actions go back to the days of overthrowing the Shah, and that had nothing to do with Trump. He was busy bankrupting business efforts at the time and being a Democrat sycophant. Bill and Hilary's good friend and fundraiser. Ask Sant Chatwal what happen's to their friends when the money spigot is turned off. Another story, but it plays to the core of the now rudderless multi fractured democratic party and the views of people like you. A party desperate for the real leadership of statesman like Adlai Stevenson, not progressive dreamers disconnected from reality.

I am not the one ranting. Look in the mirror.

No matter what you believe, there are only two solution to the Iranian problem, a domestic overthrow of the current regime or war. Both mean massive bloodshed and destruction. Neither is desirable by sane men, however sane men have never ruled this world.

Much to the embarrassment of both Sunni and Shia, An-Nasir Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub, known as Salah ad-Din who defeated the Crusaders and retook Jerusalem was a short, pudgy, swarthy Kurd, an early proponent of the what would be called Sufism and founder of the Ayyubid dynasty which would control Egypt and Syria importing Harijan (untouchables) from India to do labor not acceptable to muslims, considered by both Sunni and Shia as heresy. Harijan, the lowest of the low from India, their descendents imported to the mandate as cheap labor from Syria and Egypt, with the doors back to both nations slammed behind them. People never permitted to take the Haj. Now you owe for a quick history lesson that helped shape today's mideast. Those lovely British imperialist colonialists, along with French, Germans and Belgians who did their parts. You want to lay blame, this is where it is due. Talk some more about history and morality of which you have no clue. We are all connected, by stupidity.
 
The Iranian hardliners already believe our two nations are in an economic war, and daily threaten to attack the US with a hot war. Should they be stupid enough to set off a terrorist bomb on US territory, no matter who is in the presidential seat, all hell will be delivered in return. The US has not forgotten the hostage taking at the Iranian US embassy, an invasion of US soil. Our military establishment has been waiting patiently for an excuse to retaliate, not only for this action but other proxy actions taken by Iran against US interests, from the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon and much more.

Pray I am wrong, but don't be foolish and think this is all on Trump's rhetorical head. He did not pull out of that well violated agreement without good cause. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Should Liz Warren win the election, expect the Iranians to act. They perceive her to be a weakness, a woman in charge. An opportunity to strike and make a point. She will have to prove she has balls. Amerika will be screaming "Death to the Iranians, death to Satan!" Appeasement did not work with Hitler, it will not work with the Iranians.
Many of the Democrat candidates signal weakness. Sissy-ass weakness.
 
I'm 70. Weighing at 174 at 6'. My doctor wants me to gain 10 lbs. If you are lucky, you too may one day be old, perhaps, perhaps not. Do something about that blood pressure problem you are experiencing.

Good for you :2wave:
 
You presented a disproved opinion by an investigatory group with skin in the game.
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The agency specifically tasked for ensuring Iranian compliance has a "disproved opinion", as does the US State Department? Wow, that is so far outside the basis of reality, you HAVE to know what you are saying is 100% false.

I'm over reading the lies you post. The IAEA and the US State Department said Iran is/was complying. You, with ZERO evidence to the contrary, are saying they are not.

It truly is amazing the depths people will go to push lies on people.

You don't know what morality is
I know people who repeatedly post things they know not to be true have no credibility with me to discuss morality.

You are now knowingly posting lies. I won't even try to guess why you are intentionally posting things you know are false.
 
I definitely agree with the main point of the op, but I think there's something that not many people are really thinking about.

Even IF Iran did the things that they're accused of, and even IF they weren't cooperating with the agreement that we pulled out of, that's still not cause for war against them. They have not attacked us. The US is NOT the world's police and we need to stop acting like we are.
 
Time for War with Iran

I really don't like posting on a whacker-doodle leftist type thread but here it goes...

The only dumb bastards hoping for any kind of conflict are leftists. They're freaks. Just so they can jump up and down and points fingers. Simply put, they are cray cray.
 
:lamo:lamo :lamo

The agency specifically tasked for ensuring Iranian compliance has a "disproved opinion", as does the US State Department? Wow, that is so far outside the basis of reality, you HAVE to know what you are saying is 100% false.

I'm over reading the lies you post. The IAEA and the US State Department said Iran is/was complying. You, with ZERO evidence to the contrary, are saying they are not.

It truly is amazing the depths people will go to push lies on people.

I know people who repeatedly post things they know not to be true have no credibility with me to discuss morality.

You are now knowingly posting lies. I won't even try to guess why you are intentionally posting things you know are false.

Keep trying to convince yourself. The Iranian statements stand. They know well from Saddam, empty bluster won't work.

You are speaking of leadership that had no qualms for sacrificing 160k dead in the Iran/Iraqi war. Equivalent to 5.6% of the population, were that the US, more than million people. You are completely ignorant of how duplicitous the Iranian leadership remains. A leadership that declares death and martyism for the people is desirable as they hide in their bunkers. This game is over your head. Time will be my evidence, and then we will hear your excuses as the dead rot on the ground, the stench permeating your moral relativism.

Do you have any idea about who and what you are defending?

You know better.
 
Keep trying to convince yourself. The Iranian statements stand.
So, let me see if I have your position correct.

You say the Iranians are liars because they are not adhering to the deal they agreed to and your basis for believing they are liars is that you believe they are telling the truth about being liars. Meanwhile, the world agency responsible for oversight of Iran's compliance, as well as the US State Department, has said Iran IS complying with the deal, but you don't believe the IAEA or the State Department because you believe Iran is telling the truth about being liars.

Do you have any idea how stupid that is?

You are speaking of leadership that had no qualms for sacrificing 160k dead in the Iran/Iraqi war. Equivalent to 5.6% of the population, were that the US, more than million people. You are completely ignorant of how duplicitous the Iranian leadership remains. A leadership that declares death and martyism for the people is desirable as they hide in their bunkers. This game is over your head. Time will be my evidence, and then we will hear your excuses as the dead rot on the ground, the stench permeating your moral relativism.

Do you have any idea about who and what you are defending?

You know better.
Why do you keep ranting about irrelevant things? We are talking about whether Iran is/was complying with the nuclear deal when Trump pulled the USA out of it. Iran WAS complying, still IS complying, so when you said they were not and that Trump had a good faith basis to pull us out, that was a lie.

You posted a lie and you refuse to admit it, instead arguing insane logic with ZERO evidence and ranting. I am not "defending" anyone or anything, I am just pointing out that you posted a lie that you refuse to retract and continue to push. Do YOU have any idea what you are talking about?
 
You presented a disproved opinion by an investigatory group with skin in the game. It is not fact.

You refuse to accept the Iranian admission by its own VP that they have continually continued to enrich uranium, and grown their efforts. This was purposefully broadcast on Iran radio for the world to hear, but you play deaf.

You don't know what morality is, so there can never be any kind of reasonable conversation. You have made this clear and evident with accusations of lies not told but claimed because those statements oppose your personal partisan politic world view, with all its ignorant limitations.

Any discussion of Iran's policies and actions go back to the days of overthrowing the Shah, and that had nothing to do with Trump. He was busy bankrupting business efforts at the time and being a Democrat sycophant. Bill and Hilary's good friend and fundraiser. Ask Sant Chatwal what happen's to their friends when the money spigot is turned off. Another story, but it plays to the core of the now rudderless multi fractured democratic party and the views of people like you. A party desperate for the real leadership of statesman like Adlai Stevenson, not progressive dreamers disconnected from reality.

I am not the one ranting. Look in the mirror.

No matter what you believe, there are only two solution to the Iranian problem, a domestic overthrow of the current regime or war. Both mean massive bloodshed and destruction. Neither is desirable by sane men, however sane men have never ruled this world.

Much to the embarrassment of both Sunni and Shia, An-Nasir Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub, known as Salah ad-Din who defeated the Crusaders and retook Jerusalem was a short, pudgy, swarthy Kurd, an early proponent of the what would be called Sufism and founder of the Ayyubid dynasty which would control Egypt and Syria importing Harijan (untouchables) from India to do labor not acceptable to muslims, considered by both Sunni and Shia as heresy. Harijan, the lowest of the low from India, their descendents imported to the mandate as cheap labor from Syria and Egypt, with the doors back to both nations slammed behind them. People never permitted to take the Haj. Now you owe for a quick history lesson that helped shape today's mideast. Those lovely British imperialist colonialists, along with French, Germans and Belgians who did their parts. You want to lay blame, this is where it is due. Talk some more about history and morality of which you have no clue. We are all connected, by stupidity.

Right, so the IAEA and your own government are in the business of 'opinion' making and have 'skin in the game'? You need to stay away from conspiracy websites. The rest of your rant isn't worth responding to.
The Shah was installed by your CIA who fomented the destruction of a democratically-elected government in 1953. Talk about laying blame if you want, but all of Iran's antipathy toward America stems from that time and British and American outrage that Iran would have the effrontery to nationalise their own oil. And America is supposed to be the bastion of democracy? Only if it's the variety acceptable to America and American 'interests'.
 
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I really don't like posting on a whacker-doodle leftist type thread but here it goes...

The only dumb bastards hoping for any kind of conflict are leftists. They're freaks. Just so they can jump up and down and points fingers. Simply put, they are cray cray.

John Bolton who has been itching to attack Iran for years, is a leftist? He kept that well hidden:lamo

John Bolton’s dangerous 'obsession' with Iran
 
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